Trump promises to deport all the Haitians to Venezuela.

[Ana the Ist]

Good thing Trump is here to take those Haitian refugees down a few pegs.

And they are residents of Springfield.

Because they've been given what citizens have to earn.

 

[variant]

The thing regarding Chinese people was eating dogs...and they did eat dogs. They actually had a dog eating festival.

Funny you don't think it's racist when people say French people eat frogs....but I'm certain I already know why.

It was a specific claim that I observed directly about Chinese people in my community.

And yes, it was racist.

 

[variant]

Because they've been given what citizens have to earn.

Charity is of course, the worst thing.

 

[Ana the Ist]

The person in question does.

No...he doesn't. The media does.

And if that is happening it's something that might make a good point at a debate.

That is happening. Of course, your news will probably tell you there's no credible reports...

It's more like 12-15000, the city was welcoming, and this wasn't planned exactly.

I think you have the wrong Springfield Ohio. There's at least 2. This one after a quick check has 58,000+.

The problem though could be pointed out without disparaging sensationalism though.

Disparaging sensationalism?

Hey sorry your mom got ran over and killed by a migrant who was handed free money and cheap housing and a driving permit.....but try not to get all bent out of shape about it okay? We don't want anyone thinking there's a problem.

I don't actually run things in Springfield, and yes I think this could be handled much better.

Ty.

No, I don't think having the president throw some gasoline on this fire is helping.

I don't see anyone else concerned with fixing the problem.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

If Haitians were raping and murdering the residents of Springfield would it be racist to point that out?

Yeah. Collective guilt is kind of a racist staple.

If someone commits a crime, you don’t blame every member of their same race or nationality of that crime unless you’re just a racist and want to hate on people different from you.

 

[Ana the Ist]

It was a specific claim that I observed directly about Chinese people in my community.

I don't know where your community is....the US?

And yes, it was racist.

Dog Meat Festival - Wikipedia

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Why?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yeah. Collective guilt is kind of a racist staple.

Is this some kind of dumb joke?

Where was this hot take when posters were droning endlessly about "white privilege" for years?

How is it not an accusation of guilt to claim over 150 million people are unfairly advantaged over everyone else?

 

[variant]

No...he doesn't. The media does.

If you go on national television during a debate and claim people are eating peoples pets it's going to become the story.

That is happening. Of course, your news will probably tell you there's no credible reports...

Did I say that?

I think you have the wrong Springfield Ohio. There's at least 2. This one after a quick check has 58,000+.

As of 2022.

The estimate came from the city website immigrant FAQ:

Immigration FAQs | City of Springfield Ohio Official Website

The City of Springfield has experienced a surge in our population over the last several years, primarily due to an influx of legal immigrants choosing Sprin ...

springfieldohio.gov

So, do I?

Disparaging sensationalism?

Hey sorry your mom got ran over and killed by a migrant who was handed free money and cheap housing and a driving permit.....but try not to get all bent out of shape about it okay? We don't want anyone thinking there's a problem.

The sensationalism was the thing about the dogs and cats we were talking about?

You know when the former president brought that up during the debate?

Ty.


I don't see anyone else concerned with fixing the problem.

I actually don't see anyone fixing anything from the Republicans side unless you're a big fan of mass deportations and hatemongering.

 

[variant]

I don't know where your community is....the US?

Dog Meat Festival - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Cat's. Are you listening to me?

Why?

Because it was hate directed at the Chinese members of my community.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Charity is of course, the worst thing.

Charity is something willingly given.

This is just taking what's someone else's by way of government.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Because they've been given what citizens have to earn.

Well I’m glad a billionaire like Trump is here to knock them down a bit. I was just thinking to myself the other day “you know who has it really good in life? Refugees fleeing a failed state.”

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Is this some kind of dumb joke?

Where was this hot take when posters were droning endlessly about "white privilege" for years?

How is it not an accusation of guilt to claim over 150 million people are unfairly advantaged over everyone else?

I’m guessing by your reply you think it’s not a good thing to mass blame an entire group of people for crimes committed by an individual.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Also being accused of benefiting from white privilege isn’t really on par with painting an entire immigrant community as dog and cat eating savages.

Like not even close.

 

[Ana the Ist]

If you go on national television during a debate and claim people are eating peoples pets it's going to become the story.

If the media decides to make it one....

Did you notice how the story where the guy running for president was almost murdered by an assassin and it left the news after 5 days?

Did you notice they basically stopped caring about unarmed black people being shot by police from 2021-2023....and started caring again in 2024?

Ever feel like you're being manipulated?

Did I say that?

I thought you were referring to the residents, not migrants, my mistake.

The sensationalism was the thing about the dogs and cats we were talking about?

If you think it's being overblown....blame the media you watch.

You know when the former president brought that up during the debate?

I've seen the clip. No doubt one of many things he brought up. Apparently, most people realize this was a sham debate and the Harris campaign hasn't really improved off it so they want another.

If you think that's not the case....just ask yourself why she would risk another debate if it wasn't.

Perhaps the media wants to focus on this instead of the numerous people pointing out their bias and fact checking Harris.

I actually don't see anyone fixing anything from the Republicans side unless you're a big fan of mass deportations and hatemongering.

I'm a fan of mass deportations. It's not out of hate....but love for my fellow countrymen.

I can see a little bit further down the road and it's not difficult to see why these Haitians are being brought in and given handouts.

Give them cheap housing. Drive housing prices up.

Give them low wage jobs. Keep wages low.

Pull the rug out from under them by cutting off their assistance in 2-3 years.

Large multinationals then buy up the properties turning citizens into permanent renters.

That's the new Democratic Party.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I’m guessing by your reply you think it’s not a good thing to mass blame an entire group of people for crimes committed by an individual.

I don't think mass blame is ever appropriate no....

But anyone who thinks a statement like "Haitians in Springfield are eating the local pets and wildlife" means quite literally all of them is a moron.

Do I really need to state that not everyone of a group is doing something? I certainly think if 15,000-20,000 Haitians were eating cats and dogs in a small town....even our national media would struggle to keep that completely quiet.

 

[variant]

If the media decides to make it one....

I don't think the media has any choice in this one.

If you think it's being overblown....blame the media you watch.

No it's about what I would expect from a presidential candidate deciding to make accusing an immigrant community of eating peoples pets a national issue.

I've seen the clip. No doubt one of many things he brought up. Apparently, most people realize this was a sham debate and the Harris campaign hasn't really improved off it so they want another.

If you think that's not the case....just ask yourself why she would risk another debate if it wasn't.

Perhaps the media wants to focus on this instead of the numerous people pointing out their bias and fact checking Harris.

No one forced Trump into this one no matter how unfair you think the debate was. He brought it up, he put it out there and he doubled down on it.

He's still talking about it. It's been over four days now.

I'm a fan of mass deportations. It's not out of hate....but love for my fellow countrymen.

Whatever you've got to tell yourself, and whatever you've got to do to demonize the people involved I suppose.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Also being accused of benefiting from white privilege

It's an accusation of guilt.

I don't expect you to see the equivalence. All racists think they have the right reason to be racist....and that justifies it in their minds.

Also I noticed you added the word "savages". I think they're not eating whatever they can simply because they prefer to. They're coming from a failed state. Haiti is lawless. Their president was assassinated years ago and since then various gang warlords have carved out sections they control. Under those conditions....eating pets is historically common....and if it gets worse, I'd expect children to be next.

 

[JosephZ]

We agree that was a call about four Haitians killing and walking off with local wildlife, right?

Here's a story (I think about a year old, reposted) about a man stealing a cat in Springfield.

Now I'll concede that isn't a Haitian identified in the video. It's not clear who the man was. But apparently, people are stealing cats at night...and locals believe or claim to have seen Haitians doing it.

That news report is not from Springfield Ohio. Below is the original unedited report from Jacksonville Florida:

That incident took place in the Springfield section of Jacksonville.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I don't think the media has any choice in this one.

They kept that whole story of the attempted assassination pretty quiet pretty fast.

It's entirely their choice. Consider that if 100 years from now this nation still exists....that shooting will be at least a footnote in our national history. This cats and dogs story? Forgotten.

No it's about what I would expect from a presidential candidate deciding to make accusing an immigrant community of eating peoples pets a national issue.

I think he was trying to use an example of just how bad it's gotten under the current administration.

Seems like he also mentioned the Venezuelan gangs (another failed state) literally taking over apartment complexes. Odd that hasn't gotten the same traction.

Whatever you've got to tell yourself, and whatever you've got to do to demonize the people involved I suppose.

I actually know what's going on in Haiti. I know that the Mexican cartels typically extort or put everyone they traffick into debt bandage.

So I know these 20,000 or so Haitians have nothing when they arrive....or less than nothing. Would they resort to the same things they do in Haiti to survive? Of course. Does that likely include eating anything you can get your hands on? It does.

The other part...the free money, the low wage jobs, the houses....that's also rather simple. Who would possibly do a house loan for a migrant working for Amazon wages and receiving government assistance without any guarantee of staying in the US? Temporary protected status is temporary.

It's not hard to see what's happening if you actually look. I'm not happy about how the Haitians are being treated....and I know that this administration is facilitating the whole thing for corporate donors.

 

[JosephZ]

talk to the morons in this administration who have given the Haitians driving permits despite not knowing how to drive.

Driving permits are issued by the states. Republicans control the offices of governor, secretary of state, attorney general, and both chambers of the state legislature in Ohio.

Let's imagine that we took 20,000 people from a failed, lawless state, and dropped them on a small town of 60,000 residents.

Thousands of Haitians weren't dropped on Springfield. They started arriving in Springfield in 2018 seeking jobs and a low cost of living. The numbers grew each year after that.

More importantly, since they have been handed residences, temporary protected status, SSN, what exactly is preventing them from voting this year?

Their immigration status.