Trump promises to deport all the Haitians to Venezuela.

[Aldebaran]

Don't be obtuse.

People have in my life claimed to me that Chinese people were eating stray cats on more than one occasion.

You know why that was? Because they were racists.

Do you know for a fact that the chinese people in question weren't eating stray cats? Or did you just look at the person making the case, note his race, and realizing he isn't chinese, you just decided to label him as a racist?

 

[variant]

We agree that was a call about four Haitians killing and walking off with local wildlife, right?

The original claim was that they were eating peoples pets. I can get you the tape or the transcript if you like.

Right wing folks then found a guy holding a goose to say "aha" that makes him right.

The next day he was talking about geese.

 

[variant]

Do you know for a fact that the chinese people in question weren't eating stray cats? Or did you just look at the person making the case, note his race, and realizing he isn't chinese, you just decided to label him as a racist?

I asked them how they knew. They were racists, because, they were repeating something they heard.

 

[Aldebaran]

I asked them how they knew. They were racists, because, they were repeating something they heard.

Oh, well that makes even less sense.
I'll show you something I've heard as well, and I'm sure you'll refer to it as racist since I'm repeating it.

Yes, cat meat is eaten in some cultures, including:
South Korea
Cat meat is sometimes consumed in the form of cat soup, and is also used to make an alcoholic elixir called goyangi soju. The trade in cat meat in South Korea is mostly underground, and the majority of the population is unaware of it.
India
The Irula people of southern India traditionally eat cat meat as a protein.
Indonesia
Cat meat has been featured at the Extreme Market in Tomohon, a city in North Sulawesi

I suppose you'll consider the source to be racist. But it was Google that I got this from, so go ahead and have fun calling Google racist.

Google Search

 

[variant]

Oh, well that makes even less sense.
I'll show you something I've heard as well, and I'm sure you'll refer to it as racist since I'm repeating it.

Yes, cat meat is eaten in some cultures, including:
South Korea
Cat meat is sometimes consumed in the form of cat soup, and is also used to make an alcoholic elixir called goyangi soju. The trade in cat meat in South Korea is mostly underground, and the majority of the population is unaware of it.
India
The Irula people of southern India traditionally eat cat meat as a protein.
Indonesia
Cat meat has been featured at the Extreme Market in Tomohon, a city in North Sulawesi

I suppose you'll consider the source to be racist. But it was Google that I got this from, so go ahead and have fun calling Google racist.

Google Search

Ask a Chinese person whether they appreciated the claims that they were eating stray cats sometime.

It might enlighten you a bit.

 

[Fantine]

The way Haitians are being treated is better than the residents of Springfield.

Yes, it's just terrible to hear the mayor reporting that they are a city under siege by agitators riled up by Trump's doubling down on the lies, so much so that they had to close two schools for children's safety.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I bet if there were a bunch of white immigrants ending up here because of a horrible situation the presidential candidate wouldn't be accusing them of eating peoples pets and proffering the solution of deporting them to Venezuela.

Is your only response to call everyone racist? Cuz honestly...I don't know who cares anymore.

If Haitians were raping and murdering the residents of Springfield would it be racist to point that out? Where is the line exactly?

Nobody will ever imagine you're moral for calling people racist online. In fact, the more you do it...the more it sounds like the only thing you care about is not being seen as racist.

 

[Aldebaran]

We agree that was a call about four Haitians killing and walking off with local wildlife, right?

Here's a story (I think about a year old, reposted) about a man stealing a cat in Springfield.

Now I'll concede that isn't a Haitian identified in the video. It's not clear who the man was. But apparently, people are stealing cats at night...and locals believe or claim to have seen Haitians doing it.

As long as David Muir of ABCNews denies it, it must not be true. He knows more about the truth than what people see with their own eyes.

 

[variant]

Is your only response to call everyone racist? Cuz honestly...I don't know who cares anymore.

If Haitians were raping and murdering the residents of Springfield would it be racist to point that out? Where is the line exactly?

Just the racists.

The line is where you have good evidence.

Nobody will ever imagine you're moral for calling people racist online. In fact, the more you do it...the more it sounds like the only thing you care about is not being seen as racist.

Pointing out the truth of the matter is it's own virtue. Sorry if it irks you.

You came into this thread wanting to deal with a poached goose and rumors of cat eating via mass deportation.

 

[Aldebaran]

Ask a Chinese person whether they appreciated the claims that they were eating stray cats sometime.

It might enlighten you a bit.

Whether or not they appreciated it is irrelevant. Facts. Remember those?
Now let's look specifically at the idea of cats being eaten in China. Facts provided by the arbiter of all Truth: Google!

Yes, some cats are eaten in China, though most people in the country do not eat cat meat:

Illegal trade
An estimated 4 million cats are slaughtered for food each year in China's illegal cat meat trade. The trade is facilitated by crime, with most cats being stolen pets and strays. Cats are transported to slaughterhouses in wire cages and driven for hours or days.

Food safety concerns
In October 2023, police in China rescued over 1,000 cats from being slaughtered and sold as pork or mutton. The cats were being transported to the south of the country to be served as skewers and sausages.

Lack of legislation
China lacks specific laws protecting the rights and welfare of cats. This allows for mistreatment and abuse to occur without consequence.

Animal welfare activism
Animal Equality and other organizations have conducted undercover investigations of the cat meat trade in China and have put pressure on officials to take action.

Google Search

 

[Ana the Ist]

Yes, it's just terrible to hear the mayor reporting that they are a city under siege by agitators riled up by Trump's doubling down on the lies, so much so that they had to close two schools for children's safety.

I'm not in favor of that.

But if you are concerned about children's safety....talk to the morons in this administration who have given the Haitians driving permits despite not knowing how to drive.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://apnews.com/article/haitian-immigrants-vance-trump-ohio-springfield-d119b387175434c08597784ba82860ed&ved=2ahUKEwjvqKLMwcGIAxU1IkQIHZ2-OtIQFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1mS5qcWRYu5wog231q7s8g

 

[variant]

Whether or not they appreciated it is irrelevant. Facts. Remember those?

It's not irrelevant as the denigration/antagonism is part of the definition.

Now let's look specifically at the idea of cats being eaten in China. Facts provided by the arbiter of all Truth: Google!

It's actually quite irrelevant if cats are eaten in China as the claims made were both not true and meant as a degrading comment about someone else's race.

The idea that you think it would be OK to accuse Chinese people of eating cats in suburban Pennsylvania because google tells you that some Chinese people eat cats makes it hard to take you seriously.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Just the racists.

The line is where you have good evidence.

So actual footage of Springfield residents having cats stolen off their porches at night and Haitians literally killing local wildlife (arguably for food) isn't "good evidence"?

What exactly do you need?

Pointing out the truth of the matter is it's own virtue.

The evidence of the matter is in that police call. It's a lot stronger than some city manager saying they haven't heard about it.

 

[variant]

So actual footage of Springfield residents having cats stolen off their porches at night and Haitians literally killing local wildlife (arguably for food) isn't "good evidence"?

What exactly do you need?

Before making a national issue out of it?

That the man who stole a cat was a Haitian immigrant and some evidence for Dogs and the eating part.

So far the republican candidate for president morphed "cats are being stolen" and "one person saw a man take a cat" into "Haitian immigrants are stealing and eating cats and dogs"

The evidence of the matter is in that police call. It's a lot stronger than some city manager saying they haven't heard about it.

Someone called the police about a guys with dead geese. Personally I've never gotten riled up about goose poaching in my life. I think it's usually handled with a citation.

 

[Ana the Ist]

These racists keep complaining about getting run over by Haitians.

 

[Aldebaran]

It's not irrelevant as the denigration/antagonism is part of the definition.

Are you trying to tell me that only nice things can be said about people with a different skin color no matter what they do?

It's actually quite irrelevant if cats are eaten in China as the claims made were both not true and meant as a degrading comment about someone else's race.

Nothing was said about their race other than to help identify the individuals involved.

The idea that you think it would be OK to accuse Chinese people of eating cats in suburban Pennsylvania because google tells you that some Chinese people eat cats makes it hard to take you seriously.

That's an "idea" that exists in your own head since I never said that.

 

[variant]

Are you trying to tell me that only nice things can be said about people with a different skin color no matter what they do?

No, I said making disparaging claims against entire groups of people should be done only with good evidence.

Nothing was said about their race other than to help identify the individuals involved.

In the case we are talking about the the former President of the united states decided to claim that a group of Haitian immigrants were eating peoples pets.

So, textbook racism.

That's an "idea" that exists in your own head since I never said that.

Well I explained to you some racism that I experienced about the Chinese people in my community, and you retorted that some people who are Chinese might in fact eat cats.

Perhaps you didn't understand or I didn't communicate clearly?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Before making a national issue out of it?

I don't choose what gets made into national issues.

That the man who stole a cat was a Haitian immigrant and some evidence for Dogs and the eating part.

Well there seems to be something of an issue with the police response in Springfield. People are getting run over and killed by Haitians and it's not even being treated seriously.

So far the republican candidate for president morphed "cats are being stolen" and "one person saw a man take a cat" into "Haitian immigrants are stealing and eating cats and dogs"

Let's imagine that we took 20,000 people from a failed, lawless state, and dropped them on a small town of 60,000 residents.

Why are they being handed free money? Why are we subsidizing this nonsense? Why not help the actual residents? Why are they being given permits to drive without any evidence they can drive or understand the laws?

More importantly, since they have been handed residences, temporary protected status, SSN, what exactly is preventing them from voting this year?

Someone called the police about a guys with dead geese. Personally I've never gotten riled up about goose poaching in my life. I think it's usually handled with a citation.

You can watch any number of videos of firsthand accounts from residents at townhall meetings and the like....it's a nightmare. Many are fleeing. Others are being pushed out and left homeless.

Can you at least admit this is a problem and no way to treat your own citizens?

 

[Ana the Ist]

I remember when people used to say Chinese people ate cats. It was racist then and it would be racist now.

The thing regarding Chinese people was eating dogs...and they did eat dogs. They actually had a dog eating festival.

Funny you don't think it's racist when people say French people eat frogs....but I'm certain I already know why.

 

[variant]

I don't choose what gets made into national issues.

The person in question does.

Well there seems to be something of an issue with the police response in Springfield. People are getting run over and killed by Haitians and it's not even being treated seriously.

And if that is happening it's something that might make a good point at a debate.

Let's imagine that we took 20,000 people from a failed, lawless state, and dropped them on a small town of 60,000 residents.

Why are they being handed free money? Why are we subsidizing this nonsense? Why not help the actual residents? Why are they being given permits to drive without any evidence they can drive or understand the laws?

More importantly, since they have been handed residences, temporary protected status, SSN, what exactly is preventing them from voting this year?

It's more like 12-15000, the city was welcoming, and this wasn't planned exactly.

The problem though could be pointed out without disparaging sensationalism though.

You can watch any number of videos of firsthand accounts from residents at townhall meetings and the like....it's a nightmare. Many are fleeing. Others are being pushed out and left homeless.

Can you at least admit this is a problem and no way to treat your own citizens?

I don't actually run things in Springfield, and yes I think this could be handled much better.

No, I don't think having the president throw some gasoline on this fire is helping.