As believers we have duty to contend for the faith

[sparow]

Unbelief

I do not believe Moses had a problem with faith, disobedience would be closer. God was showing Israel that he was their provider, but the way Moses did it appeared that Moses was the provider. Numbers 20:12, God wanted the miracle to sanctify God in the mind of Israel, and disiplining Moses for taking the credit for the water, completes the lesson. I do not have a problem with the rock symbolising Christ.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

I do not believe

I just go by the scriptures. It's right there, in print no less, to believe, oarknot

Numbers 20:12

And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

Jude 1:5
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Don't you consider it a bit strange that ALL those people, even after personally witnessing, up front and close, still ended up not believing?

Jude 1:5 should be kind of an alarm bell to signify what in the world happened to them all.

And, if any are directed to understand Mark 4:15 up front close and personal, they would instantly be given insights from our Lord

 

[sparow]

I just go by the scriptures. It's right there, in print no less, to believe, oarknot

Numbers 20:12

And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.

Jude 1:5
I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.

Don't you consider it a bit strange that ALL those people, even after personally witnessing, up front and close, still ended up not believing?

Jude 1:5 should be kind of an alarm bell to signify what in the world happened to them all.

And, if any are directed to understand Mark 4:15 up front close and personal, they would instantly be given insights from our Lord

Communication is difficult for me. I believe the interpreter/translators could have done better.

You highlighted, Because ye believed me not, you should have highlighted, (you failed) to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, Moses was impatient and disrespectful, similar to Judas.

Jude 1:5 is linked to Numbers 20:12 in that those who danced naked around the Golden calf had not sanctified the God if Israel in their eyes and had chosen an Idle instead, Moses failure was in part responsible for their death.

I do not see what Mark 4:15 has to do with our discussion, still the Christian people need to be sure that they are worshiping the God of Israel and not a false God.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Communication is difficult for me. I believe the interpreter/translators could have done better.

You highlighted, Because ye believed me not, you should have highlighted, (you failed) to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, Moses was impatient and disrespectful, similar to Judas.

Jude 1:5 is linked to Numbers 20:12 in that those who danced naked around the Golden calf had not sanctified the God if Israel in their eyes and had chosen an Idle instead, Moses failure was in part responsible for their death.

I do not see what Mark 4:15 has to do with our discussion, still the Christian people need to be sure that they are worshiping the God of Israel and not a false God.

Unbelief is a sin and sin is tied directly to the devil

 

[mikeforjesus]

I have no problem with my faith because of assumption church chose canon because anyone with conscience will be able to pick good books of bible in accord with 4 gospels which was always preached in churches it was established yes because apostles preached it. God made sure churches received it as revelations says in early church that even though they followed divisions they were churches that God made sure letters were sent to them so that generation follows can not deny it.

They would not be able to lie because all who lived at apostles time shared it to the descendants that if they said it was not many descendants would have objected so that it would not be agreed upon atleast matthew mark luke and john so that majority who witnessed testified and God allowed that to happen to raise up His own people in every generation to support the truth.

Also gospels are themselves purpose to tell why you need to believe in jesus because He is God and died for your sins and you accept the gospels because they are right from your conscience. Also we know good news of gospel any can be saved that it is not a corrupt scripture for old testament before said his mercy endures forever. That psalm has never been disputed by any historical proof of men of God in history during old testament so must be legitimate to be part of bible.

 

[mikeforjesus]

All must repent now as Mark 14:35-37 says and all must believe in Jesus as whoever in these verses from Mark 10:33 and 1 John 2:23 means anyone and as John 5:22-23 all will be judged by the Son in honoring Him or not. The Son is God that there is only one God that He is part of the God head not different God that He is that part of God that can be seen that was also incarnated to come to earth as man and the Father is the power He left to still rule the world that He is able before He leaves to earth to arrange that things are left how they will be managed in all cases and to access the power He left to rule when He wants.

Jesus affirms there is one God and John says He was in the beginning with God and he was God. I believe in a trinity just consisiting of parts of God such as soul mind and spirit each showing part of God hence known as persons making one being but it could be God exists separately as Father and Son and Holy Spirit all being part of Him but each having a quality therefore being persons existing separately in places yet being one and as God He is able to exist both in heaven with knowledge and on earth as the Son without knowledge unless He seeks it from the Father.

Matthew 12:29-32
29 Jesus answered him, “The first of all the commandments is: Hear, O Israel, the LORD our God, the LORD is one. 30 And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ This is the first commandment. 31 And the second, like it, is this: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.”
32 So the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but
He.

Mark 10:33
But whoever denies Me before men, him I will also deny before My Father who is in heaven.

1 John 2:23
Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

John 5:22-23
22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Mark 14:35-37
35 Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of
the rooster, or in the morning— 36 lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37 And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!”

 

[mikeforjesus]

Some sins are greater than others Christ has said an unforgivable sin is blasphemy of Holy Spirit to reject the drawing to believe in christ to obey His gospel when He has revealed to one because the fact is we have all earned hell because of our sins that the wages of sin is death which is to pay all our debt to God that christ said one will never get out of hell if one does not but one never is able to pay it except in hell as you needed not to sin that it needed christ to take the punishment in one stead.

Unless one believes one is not worthy except by that sacrifice God knows one is unworthy for christ to bear sin that it is a sin He told us is unforgivable because it is like one who is ready to pay a fine for you but you in your heart refuses to believe you are worthy of punishment having nothing to offer so you become unworthy of the help and also to be worthy you will now seek to live to honour Him for others to know it if you can.

Even still the scripture teaches in old and new testament you have to believe even if you dont agree does in old testament but does in new so one has no excuse not to that even if cant explain why christ would make He made it required to accept Him yet there is proof He is true and He taught it that you have to accept knowing He knows reason you need to even if you dont understand it.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I decided I would just seek to join catholic church just to be safe just so it is available so i can test it to accept it may be confession is not required if cant just any desire and effort is acceptable but I dont know that may be God knows how much effort is required if one did and I have to plan to be commited to it that I will unless christ shows me otherwise. I have heard to join catholic church just need confession of faith and to see priest to help that may not be necessary to join a course or is shortened if baptised to be a candidate.

 

[mikeforjesus]

It does not trouble my faith that bible may refer to end times that people will have to keep the feast of tabernacles. For this shows now it is not necessary and if literally mean so that the people whom God wants to celebrate with are Jews who receive Jesus that God will do signs in the future to show that is what He wants for people to be united then and who knows if such punishments are eternal then or just a chastisement punishment for the lands but it could refer to just keeping not the shadow but other nations joining themselves to christ that He meant metaphorically entering into union with christ to also come to Jerusalem to celebrate with them their restoration and as kingdom returns to israel many turning as Paul said their return is life for the dead for gentiles and riches for them that such helps edify to perfect the gentiles that God will bless them through them to have more forgiveness of sin now for more not to be chastised to death

Also it could refer to milenium when christ comes in jerusalem as world may not end except after second coming though people not saved will also be punished then but earth will remain for those saved but they will be caught up first not to here during the punishment and then come back down all saints in their own time for milenium where some will come to this earth and some of them will be people who will be here will be like babies who never got chance to respond to gospel and they may have children and inhabit earth and others who will be there is all who died righteous seeking truth to come that christ will be seen by those at second coming but not those who come after in milenium and born after by some and after there is a rebellion and there is a new jerusalem holy city where people will rebel.

 

[mikeforjesus]

The below seems to be when Jesus returns as they will see the King that the earth will have peace for 1000 years that perhaps Jesus will come at a time which explains the parable of the virgins that they had seen the bridegroom before that at second coming will be milenium for all believers to enter but still people will be born on earth to see Jesus that there will be peace but after some time there will be a rebellion against holy city.

Or perhaps it refers to milenium that no one will see Jesus except the wise virgins to enter milenium on this earth but there will still be people born here that after time there will be rebellion and on this earth kingdom will be restored to israel to those who are saved the true believers atleast for feast of tabernacles and sabbath which new testament makes clear now is not required but in milenium that age will be standard to be required or new testament meant only not required during the times of gentiles.

When it says there will not be a canaanite that means no one who is enemy of God people will remain on earth as they will be judged and it may refer to end times where no one who is not written in book of life will survive on earth to enter heaven later. Or Jesus will not return but He will send prophets of His to show time to restore kingdom to israel and after israel is saved the temple will be used only to honor Jesus and it may have sacrifices only to make required though one is not saved unless He accepts Jesus the true sacrifice though that is required in having Jesus as well only when time to restore israel is.

Zechariah 14:16-21
16 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.
20 In that day “HOLINESS TO THE LORD” shall be engraved on the bells of the horses. The pots in the LORD’s house shall be like the bowls before the altar. 21 Yes, every pot in Jerusalem and Judah shall be holiness to the LORD of hosts. Everyone who sacrifices shall come and take them and cook in them. In that day there shall no longer be a Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts.

 

[mikeforjesus]

Bible only christians should offer communion in their church as real body and blood just to be saved immediately on death to fulfill the great commision so that people are not saved fully without their work but they are still saved.

And to satisfy some people would be better if some taught it as required baptism and comminion though I dont think it is required but they are not aiding for great commision that churches should exist everywhere to serve to do to teach incase so even if not know to think it could not be necessary yet can accept it just incase that it is necessary.

However it is not an excuse not to believe as should trust God justice that such is not required but that people should do such that people can be saved immediately on death.

 

[mikeforjesus]

To be saved to enter kingdom you have to follow Jesus to keep all He commanded that is required but some people will get chance to be saved in world to come such as believers who die in car accidents and perhaps people who come to jesus late who didnt serve Him at all who never had chance to go through the tests of faith God intended for them to confess christ even in persecution for it would not be fair if they were automatically saved while some people had to endure through all their life or to be tested if they keep faith under persecution and I believe they will be resurrected in a fair state to work out their salvation if they believed because the believer we know will not perish as bible says to be damned but does not mean they will automatically be saved but they will be raised that God is able to prepare a place for them to be tested as though they didnt die on this earth with their memories intact when they died or at an earlier stage of life to be given other chances an existence as though they were still on this earth.

 

[mikeforjesus]

I decided I should trust God if you are believer He would not judge if keep sabbath because others may not know it is not a commandment that it does not hurt to teach sabbath as required but even if you break it if you are alive you can repent of it that it is part of ten commandments but apostles mentioned no other feast but in last days maybe after rapture when jews turn to christ may be required to keep feast of tabernacles

It is arguable why the sabbath was kept in Luke 23:56 but may be one sign they kept sabbath but as jesus showed if one needs help to save a life one can work on sabbath and maybe to help for any cause but because i dont know will not accept that can accept loss if is not life threatening

Luke 23:56
56 Then they returned and prepared spices and fragrant oils. And they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment.

 

[mikeforjesus]

Actually I will not accept it now as far as I find it is not even possible now that we are living in different times that some businesses have to open every day which proves the commandment is not meant for our times. Or I can suppose only businesses which help others for emergency having need or that one needs to work because has not enough money to survive will accept can open

 

[mikeforjesus]

I am reminded by paul one man esteems one day more important others alike let every man be convinced in his own mind so I should not make it important point