The Bible

[Xeno.of.athens]

Clare73 said:
Others understand the Bible to be what it claims to be--the God-breathed inerrant word of God, authoritative for all faith and doctrine understood in the light of and in agreement with itself.

Xeno.of.athens said:
Others have the freedom to express their opinions in their own threads.

For myself, I am glad that the Second Vatican Council produced the document Dei Verbum for the edification and comfort of God's faithful people.

Mark Quayle said:
Is this a non-debate forum?

You sounded (to me) like you didn't want @Clare73 's input, as though she had no right to speak her mind here, suggesting (or so it seemed to me) that she should do so on her own thread.

Clare73 said:
"All Scripture is God-breathed. . ." (2 Tim 3:16).


Well, I see we have nothing further to talk about, since we don't hold the truth in common. The RCC is without anchor.

Some input is not helpful and not especially wanted because of that.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

My answer is the same.

Then why the "Bible"?

 

[ARBITER01]

And where does God reveal himself? In sacred scripture.

Is that how The Lord Jesus revealed Himself to Paul on the road to Damascus?

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Is that how The Lord Jesus revealed Himself to Paul on the road to Damascus?

You tell me, it is your guessing game.

 

[ARBITER01]

You tell me, it is your guessing game.

Lol.

Everyone is so defensive on here anymore.

Just to explain the situation, since I guess you don't know this part of scripture, Paul was not preached to from scripture, Jesus came into his life and changed it forever while he was traveling on a road. He was chosen out by GOD.

Now I know that you said that GOD reveals Himself through scripture, but I just wanted to point that little situation out for you. Not everything is so black and white as we think it is.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Lol.

Everyone is so defensive on here anymore.

Just to explain the situation, since I guess you don't know this part of scripture, Paul was not preached to from scripture, Jesus came into his life and changed it forever while he was traveling on a road. He was chosen out by GOD.

Now I know that you said that GOD reveals Himself through scripture, but I just wanted to point that little situation out for you. Not everything is so black and white as we think it is.

And yet, here you are citing a passage from holy scripture; so, I guess this story made it into canonical scripture after all.

 

[ARBITER01]

And yet, here you are citing a passage from holy scripture; so, I guess this story made it into canonical scripture after all.

Lol. a non-answer. What else would I expect.

For everyone else reading, GOD reveals Himself as He pleases to people. Scripture can be a source yes, but it is not the only source, as we seen with Paul, and Moses, and others.

 

[concretecamper]

Lol. a non-answer. What else would I expect.

For everyone else reading, GOD reveals Himself as He pleases to people. Scripture can be a source yes, but it is not the only source, as we seen with Paul, and Moses, and others.

For Moses, there was no other way for God to reveal himself since there were no scriptures. For Paul, He is the exception. Don't make the mistake of taking the extremely rare exception (a few people over Salvation history) and try to make it normal.

God reveals himself to His people through His Church. Knowledge of God must be equally available to the most learned and the least learned. Meaning, you don't need an education or know how to read to learn about God and His plan of Salvation. You learn it through His Church.

 

[ARBITER01]

For Moses, there was no other way for God to reveal himself since there were no scriptures. For Paul, He is the exception. Don't make the mistake of taking the extremely rare exception (a few people over Salvation history) and try to make it normal.

God reveals himself to His people through His Church. Knowledge of God must be equally available to the most learned and the least learned. Meaning, you don't need an education or know how to read to learn about God and His plan of Salvation. You learn it through His Church.

I'm sorry, but there were the OT scriptures when Saul who became Paul met Jesus on that road.

I'm beginning to think that a lot of the traditionalists types on here, whether catholic or catholic-lite, seem to think that GOD only has one formula for how He will interact with people, and that is obviously not true, as in the case with Paul.

And trying to make Paul's case out as sort of extreme and rare situation is not really being intellectually honest.

 

[concretecamper]

I'm sorry, but there were the OT scriptures when Saul who became Paul met Jesus on that road.

Which is the very rare exception I'm talking about

I'm beginning to think that a lot of the traditionalists types on here, whether catholic or catholic-lite, seem to think that GOD only has one formula for how He will interact with people, and that is obviously not true, as in the case with Paul.

and now you are making the mistake I warned about and taking the extremely rare exception and trying to make it the norm.

And trying to make Paul's case out as sort of extreme and rare situation is not really being intellectually honest.

If that is so, you can rattle off 10 or 1,000 others. Buehler? Buehler?

 

[ARBITER01]

Which is the very rare exception I'm talking about

and now you are making the mistake I warned about and taking the extremely rare exception and trying to make it the norm.

If that is so, you can rattle off 10 or 1,000 others. Buehler? Buehler?

I'm sorry, but it seems traditionalist types are devoid of personal experiences with The Lord Jesus, so they consider them outside of their norm.

My bad, I guess you just don't know anything about that.

 

[concretecamper]

I'm sorry, but it seems traditionalist types are devoid of personal experiences with The Lord Jesus, so they consider them outside of their norm.

My bad, I guess you just don't know anything about that.

Thank you for the exhaustive list of people who experienced the Lord as Paul did. Next

 

[ARBITER01]

Thank you for the exhaustive list of people who experienced the Lord as Paul did. Next

Sorry, I just don't have time for you.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Sorry, I just don't have time for you.

Then you will be exiting the discussion?

 

[ARBITER01]

Then you will be exiting the discussion?

I don't know.

It sure seems like people have a hard time with truth on here.

Fruits worthy of repentance brings The Lord Jesus into a person's life. Just reading the bible is no guarantee of anything.

 

[concretecamper]

Sorry, I just don't have time for you.

Or no coherent response?

 

[Clare73]

This is a poor proof of the Divine inspiration of Hebrews, but if that's all you got, run with it.

Why do you object to Hebrews. . .it is in agreement with all Scripture, understood in context of all Scripture.

 

[Clare73]

This post doesn't offer anything new; it merely echoes the content of previous posts.
Additionally, the term "word of God" should not be confused with scripture.

Guess Jesus didn't get the memo, Mt 15:6.

Time to review post #17:

Jesus believed the OT was the "word of God" in every detail (Jn 10:35, Lk 11:28, 5:1),
that it was the truth of God vested with the authority of God and backed by the power of God (Mt 5:17-19).
He treated arguments from Scripture as having clinching force. When he said, "It is written," that was final. There was no appeal against Scripture, for "the scripture cannot be broken." (Mt 4:5, Mt 4:7, Mt 4:10, Jn 10:35). God's word holds good forever.
He constantly scolded the Jews for their ignorance and neglect of Scripture: "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures?". . ."Have you not read. . .?". . ."Go and learn what this means. . ." (Mk 12:24, Mt 12:3, Mt 12:5, Mt 19:4, Mt 21:16, Mt 21:42,Mt 9:13).

Likewise, Jesus himself submitted to the OT as the word of God:
he lived a life of obedience to Scripture (Lk 4:17-21, Mt 8:16-17, Mt 11:2-5),
and then he died in obedience to Scripture (Lk 18:31, Mk 8:31, Mk 9:31, Mk 10:33-34, Mt 26:24, Lk 22:37, Mt 26:53-56),
when he arose, he explained who he was by the Scriptures (Lk 24:44-47, Lk 24:27),
he presented himself to the Jews as the fulfiller of Scripture (Jn 5:39-40, Jn 5:46-47).

Belief in the authority and truth of the OT was the foundation of Jesus' whole ministry.

 

[Clare73]

Im beginning to believe that you and many on this forum have no idea what a strawman is. Hint, it's not something to say when you're out of bullets

It is falsifying (changing) the argument.

 

[Clare73]

Try reading what Jesus said with more care, it is the spoken word of God that came to "them" and it is the scriptures that record it.

So what the Scriptures record is not the word of God?

Just what did they have available to them during the time of Jesus?

They had only the word of God written; i.e. Scripture.

Do you have a problem with Scripture being the word of God (Jn 10:35)?