The Bible

[Xeno.of.athens]

If it is the word of GOD, (Heb 4:12, Eph 6:11, Jn 17:17), it is necessarily
inerrant and
authoritative for all faith and doctrine.

Word (word) of God is spoken, scripture (bible) is written.

 

[Clare73]

That isn't about the whole bible, it is about the Old Testament including the Deuterocanon.

When the NT was canonized as Scripture, it was canonized as the word of God just as the OT Scriptures are the word of God

Not to mention, Peter placed Paul's writings on the same level of authority as the God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16) writings of the OT (2 Pe 3:16).

Word (word) of God is spoke, scripture (bible) is written.

Is this the first time you've ever heard of Scripture as the word of God?

Surely not!

 

[concretecamper]

Word (word) of God is spoke, scripture (bible) is written.

Additionally, when the NT mentions scripture, it is not referring to the Bible.

 

[Hammster]

Because God speaking through the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church says so.

That’s what I thought. Circular.

 

[Clare73]

Additionally, when the NT mentions scripture, it is not referring to the Bible.

When the NT mentions Scripture, it is referring to the Scriptures in existence at the time; i.e., the OT.

And in the NT we also have Peter placing Paul's writings on the same level of authority as the God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16) writings of the OT (2 Pe 3:16).

 

[concretecamper]

Not to mention, Peter placed Paul's writings on the same level of authority as the God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16) writings of the OT (2 Pe 3:16).

This is a poor proof of the Divine inspiration of Hebrews, but if that's all you got, run with it.

 

[concretecamper]

When the NT mentions Scripture, it is referring to the Scriptures in existence at the time; i.e., the OT.

The Tanakh. But I give you partial credit

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

When the NT was canonized as Scripture, it was canonized as the word of God just as the OT Scriptures are the word of God

Not to mention, Peter placed Paul's writings on the same level of authority as the God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16) writings of the OT (2 Pe 3:16).

Is this the first time you've ever heard of Scripture as the word of God?

Surely not!

This post doesn't offer anything new; it merely echoes the content of previous posts. Additionally, the term "word of God" should not be confused with scripture.

 

[Clare73]

This is a poor proof of the Divine inspiration of Hebrews, but if that's all you got, run with it.

The Catholic church does not consider all Scripture, including Hebrews, to be God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16)?

And they canonized Hebrews?

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

That’s what I thought. Circular.

True truth is true no matter what shape it is.

 

[concretecamper]

The Catholic church does not consider all Scripture, including Hebrews, to be God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16)?

And they canonized Hebrews?

Not because of 2 Peter, but then again you're reaching. I understand

 

[Clare73]

This post doesn't offer anything new; it merely echoes the content of previous posts. Additionally,
the term "word of God" should not be confused with scripture.

You might take that up with Jesus who referred to "the word of God" as "the Scripture."

"If he called them 'gods' (Ps 82:6) to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken--what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?" (Jn 10:35)

No offense. . .but are you Biblically informed enough to have a Biblical discussion?

 

[Clare73]

Not because of 2 Peter, but then again you're reaching. I understand

Strawman. . .

 

[Hammster]

True truth is true no matter what shape it is.

Except that you cannot substantiate it.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Do you?

Of course not, But do you?

 

[Clare73]

Of course not, But do you?

My answer is the same.

 

[concretecamper]

Strawman. . .

Im beginning to believe that you and many on this forum have no idea what a strawman is. Hint, it's not something to say when you're out of bullets

 

[Mark Quayle]

Clare73 said:
Others understand the Bible to be what it claims to be--the God-breathed inerrant word of God, authoritative for all faith and doctrine understood in the light of and in agreement with itself.

Xeno.of.athens said:
Others have the freedom to express their opinions in their own threads.

For myself, I am glad that the Second Vatican Council produced the document Dei Verbum for the edification and comfort of God's faithful people.

Mark Quayle said:
Is this a non-debate forum?

Decide for yourself what it is. if you are keen on a debate I am confident that you can create one.

You sounded (to me) like you didn't want @Clare73 's input, as though she had no right to speak her mind here, suggesting (or so it seemed to me) that she should do so on her own thread.

Clare73 said:
"All Scripture is God-breathed. . ." (2 Tim 3:16).

That isn't about the whole bible, it is about the Old Testament including the Deuterocanon.

Well, I see we have nothing further to talk about, since we don't hold the truth in common. The RCC is without anchor.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

You might take that up with Jesus who referred to "the word of God" as "the Scripture."

"If he called them 'gods' (Ps 82:6) to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken--what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?"

No offense. . .but are you Biblically informed enough to have a Biblical discussion?

Try reading what Jesus said with more care, it is the spoken word of God that came to "them" and it is the scriptures that record it.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Except that you cannot substantiate it.

I do not need to any more than I'd need to substantiate that there will be a sunrise in the future.