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What does the word "near" mean?

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Eschatologically speaking I frequently hear/read Christians say, "The event X is near to occurring." For example, I have read many books, many articles, many internet forum posts, and heard many times on the radio the assertion the time when the rapture will occur is near, or the building of another stone temple, or the mark of the beast is near. When I have the opportunity to engage that person (I've spoken to several noted teachers about this) and ask them "What do you mean by 'near'?" or "How near?" or "When you use the word "near,' what, specifically do you mean?" I rarely get and answer and on the rare occasion when I do get an answer the answers range from a in a week or a month to a few years or a few decades; sometimes even within this century" is the answer. To encourage an answer I even say, "Please be as specific as you feel comfortable being."

So, I would like to ask each of you all to simply answer that question. On the occasion when any of you say some eschatological event is "near" what, specifically, what exactly, do you mean when using the word "near"?


Nothing more.


Just something short and sweet, concise, succinct. Something like, "When I say the rapture is near, I mean the rapture will occur sometime in the next month," or "When I say the rapture is near, I mean the rapture will occur sometime in the next four years." For the purpose of this op there are no wrong answers. I'd simply like a sampling of members' personal views. Thanks
 
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Eschatologically speaking I frequently hear/read Christians say, "The event X is near to occurring." For example, I have read many books, many articles, many internet forum posts, and heard many times on the radio the assertion the time when the rapture will occur is near, or the building of another stone temple, or the mark of the beast is near. When I have the opportunity to engage that person (I've spoken to several noted teachers about this) and ask them "What do you mean by 'near'?" or "How near?" or "When you use the word "near,' what, specifically do you mean?" I rarely get and answer and on the rare occasion when I do get an answer the answers range from a in a week or a month to a few years or a few decades; sometimes even within this century" is the answer. To encourage an answer I even say, "Please be as specific as you feel comfortable being."

So, I would like to ask each of you all to simply answer that question. On the occasion when any of you say some eschatological event is "near" what, specifically, what exactly, do you mean when using the word "near"?


Nothing more.


Just something short and sweet, concise, succinct. Something like, "When I say the rapture is near, I mean the rapture will occur sometime in the next month," or "When I say the rapture is near, I mean the rapture will occur sometime in the next four years." For the purpose of this op there are no wrong answers. I'd simply like a sampling of members' personal views. Thanks
Near = closer to now compared to the time since Jesus rose from the dead.
 
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Opposite of far
Woo, good one, brother. I'll give you a gold medal for your top tier humor. :) I was tempted to say the same thing, or say that near means in "close proximity".

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Eschatologically speaking I frequently hear/read Christians say, "The event X is near to occurring." For example, I have read many books, many articles, many internet forum posts, and heard many times on the radio the assertion the time when the rapture will occur is near, or the building of another stone temple, or the mark of the beast is near. When I have the opportunity to engage that person (I've spoken to several noted teachers about this) and ask them "What do you mean by 'near'?" or "How near?" or "When you use the word "near,' what, specifically do you mean?" I rarely get and answer and on the rare occasion when I do get an answer the answers range from a in a week or a month to a few years or a few decades; sometimes even within this century" is the answer. To encourage an answer I even say, "Please be as specific as you feel comfortable being."

So, I would like to ask each of you all to simply answer that question. On the occasion when any of you say some eschatological event is "near" what, specifically, what exactly, do you mean when using the word "near"?


Nothing more.


Just something short and sweet, concise, succinct. Something like, "When I say the rapture is near, I mean the rapture will occur sometime in the next month," or "When I say the rapture is near, I mean the rapture will occur sometime in the next four years." For the purpose of this op there are no wrong answers. I'd simply like a sampling of members' personal views. Thanks
I believe the people in Israel will be getting the mark of the beast next year.
I believe that's pretty near.
 
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Do you have any sources to back up this claim?
I said I believe.
I have many reasons why I believe it .Mostly because of a very long prophecy that is slowly being fulfilled in Daniel 11.

And because Netanyahu wants microchips in all Israelis.Hes been working hard for Israels security.
He's wanted to for a long time.It also acts to collect taxes too, which netanyahu has also been working on .Apparently alot of people in israel don't want to pay taxes.


While speaking at a press conference on Monday, Netanyahu suggested the Health Ministry use new technology to help Israel adjust to its new routine as the state is lifting the coronavirus lockdown. "That is, technology that has not been used before and is allowed under the legislation we shall enact," he clarified.




Although Netanyahus government has attempted to change laws as in Daniel 7 ,he has not yet enacted the legislation yet.
The mark is not given to Israelis till after the second beast arrives .The king of the norths armed forces which is given to the beast.
 
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I said I believe.
I have many reasons why I believe it .Mostly because of a very long prophecy that is slowly being fulfilled in Daniel 11.

And because Netanyahu wants microchips in all Israelis.Hes been working hard for Israels security.
He's wanted to for a long time.It also acts to collect taxes too, which netanyahu has also been working on .Apparently alot of people in israel don't want to pay taxes.


While speaking at a press conference on Monday, Netanyahu suggested the Health Ministry use new technology to help Israel adjust to its new routine as the state is lifting the coronavirus lockdown. "That is, technology that has not been used before and is allowed under the legislation we shall enact," he clarified.




Although Netanyahus government has attempted to change laws as in Daniel 7 ,he has not yet enacted the legislation yet.
The mark is not given to Israelis till after the second beast arrives .The king of the norths armed forces which is given to the beast.
So, is Netanyahu the Antichrist? Should we stop supporting Israel then? Me personally, I do not buy this yet. However, that plan to microchip people does sound like the Mark of the Beast. Luckily, that article is from 2020.
 
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So, is Netanyahu the Antichrist? Should we stop supporting Israel then? Me personally, I do not buy this yet. However, that plan to microchip people does sound like the Mark of the Beast. Luckily, that article is from 2020.
It's not the first beast who gives the people in his kingdom his mark.Its the second beast.

As for netanyahu being an antichrist.
Yes,Benjamin netanyahu denies Jesus is the Christ.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.



Israel's right to return law gives all Jews the right to return as long as they have not converted to Christ.So accordingly,most in Israel deny Jesus is the Christ .About 2 percent of Israel's population is Christian and most of them are arabs.
 
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The mark of the beast will start in the seven years tribulation. Which will happen after the rapture which is soon. It can happen @ any time. But Israel will be 80 y.o. In 2028. The Bible, lord last gave us 70 years to live but 80 if you are strong. When all these things happen, this generation will not see death…clarification wanted…
 
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It's not the first beast who gives the people in his kingdom his mark.Its the second beast.

As for netanyahu being an antichrist.
Yes,Benjamin netanyahu denies Jesus is the Christ.

1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.



Israel's right to return law gives all Jews the right to return as long as they have not converted to Christ.So accordingly,most in Israel deny Jesus is the Christ .About 2 percent of Israel's population is Christian and most of them are arabs.
I do agree with you on that. So, Benjamin Netanyahu is a tool of the devil, in your opinion? End Times studies is a little complex for me, so please be patient here (that is the reason why I have never made an End Times devotional yet).
 
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The mark of the beast will start in the seven years tribulation. Which will happen after the rapture which is soon. It can happen @ any time. But Israel will be 80 y.o. In 2028. The Bible, lord last gave us 70 years to live but 80 if you are strong. When all these things happen, this generation will not see death…clarification wanted…
What about 80 years after 1967, after the 6 Day War, when Israel got the current borders, so 2047? Could 2028-2047 be a range? Also, Jesus says we will not know the hour of His return.
 
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Eschatologically speaking I frequently hear/read Christians say, "The event X is near to occurring." For example, I have read many books, many articles, many internet forum posts, and heard many times on the radio the assertion the time when the rapture will occur is near, or the building of another stone temple, or the mark of the beast is near. When I have the opportunity to engage that person (I've spoken to several noted teachers about this) and ask them "What do you mean by 'near'?" or "How near?" or "When you use the word "near,' what, specifically do you mean?" I rarely get and answer and on the rare occasion when I do get an answer the answers range from a in a week or a month to a few years or a few decades; sometimes even within this century" is the answer. To encourage an answer I even say, "Please be as specific as you feel comfortable being."

So, I would like to ask each of you all to simply answer that question. On the occasion when any of you say some eschatological event is "near" what, specifically, what exactly, do you mean when using the word "near"?


Nothing more.


Just something short and sweet, concise, succinct. Something like, "When I say the rapture is near, I mean the rapture will occur sometime in the next month," or "When I say the rapture is near, I mean the rapture will occur sometime in the next four years." For the purpose of this op there are no wrong answers. I'd simply like a sampling of members' personal views. Thanks
You're not going to get "sweet and concise" from me, because I've been studying this for decades, and I know that I'm speaking to a wall of misconceptions, particularly with the advent of modern Dispensationalism. For the record, I favor the emphasis in Dispensationalism towards belief in Israel's future restoration. But I strongly disagree with its emphasis on the Imminent Return of Christ, and Pretribulationism.

So "near" is, at its heart, a proximity. In this case it is the proximity of Christ's Kingdom to Christ's 1st Coming. The Kingdom is relatively "near" to arriving because Christ has already come. Jesus has done the work, and now the news simply has to be spread. Being that it is a large world, and being that God operates through slow human beings, the nearness of the Kingdom does not appear to be "near." ;)

But I would attach this recent explanation I've given of the falseness of Imminency Doctrine. You don't have to read it, if you're satisfied with the above.

Respectfully, there's no Imminent Return of Christ "on any day" or "at any time!

What does it mean to "always be ready?" Does it mean that Jesus could come back at any time, that if we don't remain good Christians he may come back at an embarrassing moment?

Matthew 24.44 So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.

I don't think so. I think we're always ready when 1) we get converted to Christ, 2) we live holy lives, and 3) we live obedient lives. But again, does this mean that Christ could return at any time, on any day?

I don't think so. When Jesus said this it was at a crossroads for Israel. They had not been living godly lives. Even though they had covered up their wickedness of heart with all kinds of religious displays they were soon to give up Jesus to death, to reject their Messiah, to reject God, to persecute Christians. They had covered up their wickedness with religiosity.

Matthew 24.1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 “Do you see all these things?” he asked. “Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.”
28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.


So Jesus predicted that they were soon to fall to the Romans. The Romans carried standards with eagle images that they worshiped. It was like vultures gathering to Jerusalem, to lay siege against them and to destroy the temple.

The thing Israel was immediately to be concerned with preparing for, with being ready for, was a Roman invasion. The warning of judgment should elicit repentance in Israel. And that's how Jesus was calling Israel to prepare for this--by repenting of their sins. If judgment was not to be for their own sins, individually, they would have to repent, regardless of whether they could avert the judgment or avoid it personally.

This event was so imminent that Jesus said with certainty that this would befall the very generation of his Apostles. All the more reason for Jewish believers to remain ready, because judgment was soon to fall on the country, indiscriminately. Jesus told his followers to be ready to flee when the Roman Army comes, or when news of it arrives.

Matt 24.15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."

This "abomination of desolation" was mentioned in the book of Daniel, ch 9, where we are told that the people (army) of a coming ruler would bring destruction to Jerusalem and to the temple. This was fulfilled in Jesus' generation, in 70 AD--about 40 years later.

Dan 9.26 The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary... And at the temple he will set up an abomination [a pagan army] that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on it [Jerusalem].

So being "ready for Jesus' Coming" was actually preparing for a time of judgment for Israel. If his disciples wanted to be ready for the Kingdom of heaven, the litmus test was being ready for judgment. It determined whether a person would die under judgment or simply suffer as a righteous martyr or as collateral damage, a victim of "friendly fire." And getting ready was spurred on by the presence of gross national sins and by the signs of imminent Divine judgment.

Why do I say that Jesus cannot come back on any day? It is because we were told in Daniel that the Son of Man would return in the context of the coming of the Kingdom of God, when Antichrist would be destroyed (Dan 7). If he is coming on the last day of the present age, then he cannot come today!

Dan 7.13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man [Christ], coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed....
25 He [Antichrist] will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time [3.5 years].
26 “‘But the court will sit, and his power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever [when the Son of Man comes].


We do not have to be threatened with Jesus coming back on any day to keep ourselves living right. It is enough to know judgment could arrive at our door on any day--we could die on any day. We could have a car accident on any day. We could have a heart attack on any day.

We should prepare for such possibilities and for such eventualities simply by living a good life. We don't have to worry about a sudden appearance of Christ, because as long as we're alive we have a job he wants us to do. He won't come back until our jobs are done.

Phil 1.4 In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5 because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

That Christ *cannot* come back in a preliminary secret Coming, as Dispensationalists allege, I need only point out that Christians are always directed towards expectation of Jesus' Coming to establish his Kingdom, and not to some preliminary event. A Pretrib Rapture is never mentioned in the Scriptures. But here it is explicitly stated that Christ cannot come for his Church unless the Antichrist comes 1st. And Christ is to come for the express purpose of destroying the Antichrist--not before...

2 Thes 2.1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.... 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.
 
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What about 80 years after 1967, after the 6 Day War, when Israel got the current borders, so 2047? Could 2028-2047 be a range? Also, Jesus says we will not know the hour of His return.

yes it is a range but I mean 80 after the birth of Israel in 1948. Sorry thought everyone knew.
 
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yes it is a range but I mean 80 after the birth of Israel in 1948. Sorry thought everyone knew.
I knew that Israel was founded in 1948, but 1967 is when the modern borders were drawn. So, the 80 years could be in a range. But hey, eschatology is not for me. Devotionals are my stronger points here.
 
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I knew that Israel was founded in 1948, but 1967 is when the modern borders were drawn. So, the 80 years could be in a range. But hey, eschatology is not for me. Devotionals are my stronger points here.

birth to death though. But I think 1967 brought expanded borders. You know.
 
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I do agree with you on that. So, Benjamin Netanyahu is a tool of the devil, in your opinion? End Times studies is a little complex for me, so please be patient here (that is the reason why I have never made an End Times devotional yet).
Yes,that's how I see Netanyahu.
Jesus is the true king and his kingdom is called Israel.Its a name given to someone who has overcome.

I see Netanyahu and his kingdom as a fraud and deception.

The kingdom of the beast will be destroyed and consumed ,and then it will be given to the rightful heirs in Christ for an everlasting possession as God had promised Abraham so long ago.

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,
whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.






Jesus was always the heir,and them who belong to Christ.

Galatians 3:16
The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.
 
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birth to death though. But I think 1967 brought expanded borders. You know.
Yep, 1967 was when Israel grew in size to the current borders. Anyways, I have to go back to the politics thread. Even politics is easier than End Times studies. Take care, brother in Christ.
 
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Yep, 1967 was when Israel grew in size to the current borders. Anyways, I have to go back to the politics thread. Even politics is easier than End Times studies. Take care, brother in Christ.
In 1967 the little horn subdued three other horns and took the seven hilled city.

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
 
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In 1967 the little horn subdued three other horns and took the seven hilled city.

Daniel 7
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
In theory, but anyways, I gotta go. Eschatology is my least favorite form of theology in my opinion. God bless.
 
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