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Your statement contradicts itself.
I completely agree. I hated him during the 2016 campaign. It's just that by 2018 I began to realize he was in the top 3 best presidents we've ever had, and despite his personality, he genuinely loves America as I do and his heart's in the right place.
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In which he says the same thing. He's scare mongering. Plain and simple.Ha ha.
Yeah he thinks that's true because it is true. (I'm talking about your video, not the comment mentioned in the OP.)
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Nice to know that Mister Trump thinks so little of his audience that he has to dumb it down so far that it doesn’t bear a passing similarity with reality and that they’d be this easily manipulated with sensational-pablum, such as this is.
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Yes. That is what Mr Trump claimed. He says that so some of his very strongly aligned adherents will believe him. And they do. You only have to look at some of the posts on this site to see what people are prepared to believe.
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And you wanted to know if he really meant it? Well, here's yet another quote from him from the weekend: Trump Doubles Down On Bogus Gender-Affirming Care Claim His Own Campaign Can't Back Up
“Can you imagine you’re a parent and your son leaves the house and you say, ‘Jimmy, I love you so much, go have a good day at school’ and your son comes back with a brutal operation,” Trump told the crowd in Mosinee, Wisconsin.
Why is he lying? Are some of his supporters so ill informed that they think it's actually true? Why do you accept this?
This. Is. Not. Normal.
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Well, we all know Trump would have nothing to do with the source of project 2025, so there's no way this could be the basis for anything he might have said.
Parents Are Fed Up With Public Schools Secretly Transitioning Children
Gone are the days of cheerily sending our children off to school and trusting public educators to prepare them for success by focusing on traditional pedagogy. Pesky fundamentals such as reading, writing, and arithmetic are being submerged under a tsunami of cultural Marxism. Parents—once viewed...www.heritage.org
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So your statement is that "most trans people don't feel the need to transition"...
Per the NIH: 25% end up opting for surgery.
Also per the NIH:
Medical transition (if desired) may include procedures such as gender-affirming hormone therapy (GAHT) and gender-affirming surgery (e.g., breast augmentation, phalloplasty) to develop or modify desired sex characteristics.
According to the National Transgender Discrimination Survey Report on Health and Health Care, at least 80% of transgender people have either taken GAHT or want to take GAHT at some point [15]. MTFs typically take estradiol and androgen blockers to feminize their bodies, while FTMs typically take testosterone to masculinize their bodies.
(this is the source the NIH cites for that statistic: https://cancer-network.org/wp-conte...n_Survey_Report_on_health_and_health_care.pdf)
So I don't think your suggestion of "most don't feel the need to transition" is accurate. While it's true that most may not go as far as surgery, the same isn't true for hormone use. "Transition" wouldn't be an all-or-nothing on/off switch. There are degrees to which a person may want to transition, and per the NIH data, well over half want to physically transition to at least some degree.
Does someone changing their religious affiliation come with the potential for setting them on a path that could involve things that can't be un-done later if they feel differently later down the road?
As I noted earlier, LGB needs to be discussed in a different context than T. Despite all 4 groups being targeted by some of the same conservative and religious talking points (pertaining to some sexual moral code), not all of the concerns pertaining to the T are in that realm.
For instance, if a young person identifies as gay, and then down the road discovers about themselves "it turns out, I actually do have some attractions to women also, so it turns out I'm actually Bi", their previous identification as gay didn't come attached with anything that couldn't be "un-done" later on down the road. The same isn't true for the use of hormones.
Even by some of the left's own arguments, if gender identity can be fluid, and can change, that's an acknowledgement that for some people, they could identify as a woman now, and there's the potential they could identify as a man later on down the road, correct? Taking certain hormones (and undergoing certain medical procedures sort of locks one in to one particular path, does it not?
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It should be easy for you to find out what proportion of people who do trans change their mind. Some evidence always comes in handy in cases like this. And it seems that you do your own research.
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they would also need reasons for it, do they hate the change, or do they hate the stigma that the right has put on them. I think I saw something about most that change their mind don't regret it. Kinda easy to be happy about the change, but change their mind because of how they get treated.
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Okay, bear with me folks. I'm going to ask you to do something which may be difficult since you obviously don't do it often, at least when it comes to Trump. I'm going to ask you to think.
You want me to believe that Trump wants me to believe that parents don't notice when their child doesn't return home from school and/or that their little boy is now a girl. They don't bother to contact the school, or they do contact the school and there's a conspiracy to lie and say "We don't know where Johnny is" while Johnny is getting his genitals whacked off. And the parents don't contact the authorities? No Amber alerts? No felony kidnapping charges? No enormous money lawsuits after the fact? And no victims or their families are appearing on Fox News to discuss these goings on? And who pays for these surgeries? I assume these surgeries are not being done in the classroom. Do school districts set aside funds for hospital stays to mutilate genitals?
You might as well lie and tell people that Godzilla waltzed out of the sea and destroyed Tokyo last month, but it just wasn't interesting enough for the news to report about it. There is something seriously wrong with some of you. It has a name but the rules prohibit its use. Hatred is irrational, and over time it leads to irrational thoughts. And the more intense the hatred, the more irrational the thoughts.
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I've seen reported "desistance rates", and they vary widely due some key differences (and different types of methodology flaws) in the studies.
Early studies suggesting desistance rates of near 90+% had the flaws of having practically no vetting, and making the assumption that if someone didn't respond to the 3-year follow-up survey, that means "they must have desisted", which isn't an assumption that could be made, and could've artificially inflated their desistance rate by upwards of 40 percentage points.
Later studies (which were aimed at refuting those earlier studies) were more rigorous in that regard by not making assumptions about the people who were follow-up non-responders, but were much more selective with higher barriers of entry to be considered "a good candidate to study" (like the Sweden studies). So many of the studies that concluded that regret or "detransition" was below 5%, weeded a lot of people out. (I know I've linked the study before, I'll do some digging and see if I can find it again, but it was something like over 60% of the people who identified as trans and volunteered to be part of it, got turned down for not having the proper history of working with a therapist for a period of 2 years prior to embarking on the transition)
So it stands to reason that the widely disparate results emerged.
One study said "anyone who says they're trans, must be trans, no further documentation required, and if they don't answer our call 3 years from now, we'll count that in the desist column"
Other studies said "we're going to exclusively work with people who have claimed this identity for 4 years, and have worked with a therapist for at least 2 of those years"
It stands to reason that working exclusively with a cohort who's been identifying that way for 4 years, and working with a counselor for 2 years and still says "yes, this is who I am, we've covered and ruled out any other psychological factors, I still want to do this" is going to report a much lower "regret rate" than a cohort of people who merely proclaimed it (with no extensive history provided) and who the researchers are making some serious assumptions about when they can't get ahold of them 3 years later.
In fact, I'd suggest that the studies that produce the <5% desist rates, are using criteria for what constitutes "a real trans person" (in order to select their cohort) that many would find "offensive". What those studies are basically suggesting is that the desistance rate is low among what the researchers categorize as "real trans person" (defined by having identified that way for 4 years, and 2 years of working with a counselor who agrees with the assertion) --not surprising though. More due diligence up front, leads to less regret down the road (like with many things)
So, on the spectrum of the two methodologies/cohorts listed, which of the two does the "student goes to the school counselors office, identifies as trans, and wishes to conceal that information from their parents" more closely match up with?
And even the term "desistance" actually comes with some caveats as well due to "desistance" not necessarily meaning "going to back to a cis person"
Per TheConversation (in an interview with a researcher who is, themselves, trans):
One of the more interesting takes I heard on persistence and desistance came from UCSF gender clinician Erica Anderson, who is transgender herself. She views the very notion of measuring persistence/desistance as something of a fool’s errand, because such definitions are mediated by changing cultural norms, the self-perceptions of children and the ways that researchers interpret them.
...doesn’t even like to use the terms persistence and desistance. Those words imply something fixed — a binary state of yes or no. But younger generations of transgender people — and even younger generations in the general population — see gender as more protean, even customizable. Of nearly 28,000 respondents to the 2015 U.S. Transgender Survey, more than one-third said they were some form of nonbinary. That means they may identify as both male and female, neither male nor female, or sometimes male, sometimes female.
Meaning, if one third are suggesting they're "sometimes male/sometimes female", it maybe be a good idea to use caution before address a "sometimes" dilemma with an "always" solution.
If they're basically acknowledging that one-third of an entire generation is identifying as nonbinary (including a "sometimes male/sometimes female" situation, in theory, there's the potential for a person to actually "desist" multiple times, but people tend to not count it when it's desisting to a non-binary identity, or desisting to some or situation that's not "cis-normative")
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I believe you. I imagine it must be mentally and emotionally taxing to live with an obsession. It might be good to get off the internet and go play outside for a while.
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LOL...
2025 project
I thought they had given up on that farce. It's good to see it is still alive. There will be more memes and some laughs. Maybe they will resurrect the Russian collusion slapstick. Great entertainment. I don't watch standup comedy anymore... the liberal narrative is side-splitting.
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I agree with this. No one has any business outing anyone because that's completely uncalled for and can lead to violence.
It's about having a respect for others privacy and safety.
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Sarcasm noted, but he never actually said that kids are getting surgeries AT SCHOOL, like the propagandists said. Look at this article from Snopes.
Title:
Trump's Claim That Children Received Gender-Affirming Surgeries at School Is False
What he actually said in typical unclear Trump fashion: "But the transgender thing is incredible. Think of it. Your kid goes to school and comes home a few days later with an operation. The school decides what's going to happen with your child. And you know, many of these childs [sic] 15 years later say, 'What the hell happened? Who did this to me?' They say, 'Who did this to me?' It's incredible."
Well, obviously, a kid cannot "come home with an operation"; schools do not have operating rooms.
What CAN happen in some jurisdictions; Schools can assist with transitioning socially WITHOUT notifying parents and in some areas, assist the child in initiating action toward this end. In California, the SAFETY (Support Academic Futures and Educators for Today’s Youth) Act by Chris Ward, D-San Diego, prohibits school districts, charter schools and other public education institutions from requiring teachers to disclose students’ sexual orientation or gender identity to anyone without the students’ consent.
It also calls for adding resources to support LGBTQ students and their families, and protects school employees from retaliation for keeping students’ gender identity private.
In the meeting, there was mention of five court cases involving lawsuits about schools assisting students in "socially transitioning" from one gender to another. To be clear, none of the five cases involved children undergoing medical operations inside of schools.
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