Let's look at the people that Kamala's VP pick surrounds himself with

[stevevw]

You said it, not me.

So your just confirming what I have said lol.

 

[Desk trauma]

Tell me if Trump is so bad then why is Kennedy now supporting him.

Because he gave him what he wanted.

 

[stevevw]

I wasn't. It was brought up as an attempt to distract from the fact that Biden's administration managed to actually pass an infrastructure bill, unlike the GOP's candidate.

Its only a point if you think that this is actually going to result in Infrastructure. I have my doubts. But kudos to Biden for making a Bill. Thats the first step. Next we have to actually see that happening on the ground.

If a government came along an just built infrastructure as part of being in power and didn't need to make any Acts or Laws to force themselves to do it they would gain more respect then someone making a Bill and not actually building infrastructure.

I'm afraid history shows that governments neglect infrastructure. Something else comes along and takes the money. There is only soi much money and if money is put into infrastructure it has to come from somewhere and that means either more borrowing or taking it from somewhere like health or education.

Just acknowledging I recognize the attempt to run away from the initial claim about open borders. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

What was the initial claim about open borders. From memory it was that under Trump around 2 million came in. Under Biden/Harris over 12 million including 2 million unknowns. Thats open borders.

Open borders can mean knowing that people are coming in illegally and not doing anything about it or reducing the ability to do something about it. It can mean thinking that ICE officers are like the KKK which implies that there should not be any officers and checks at all.

Yep, a very serious critique, obviously. Kinda like accusing her of supporting open borders when she doesn't in fact support them. Very serious indeed.

Who says she doesn't support them. Words mean nothing when it comes to Harris and the Left. We can see Harris's true beliefs about immigration when she says that ICE officers are like the KKK. This is the MO of the radical Left and its obvious to see with similar issues and beliefs such as 'Defund the Police'.

This is her real position on immigration, as her own words have clearly said that "there is no such thing as an illegal refugee". So why would she then come down hard on them.

 

[stevevw]

So tell me. I asked a simple and obvious question as to whether Harris gaslight people about Bidens cognitive health and fitness. Surely its not that hard.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The Bill only dedicates 5% of the budget to traditional infrastructure like roads and bridges which is probably the most needed.

The road and bridge part was $110 billion (out of $1200 billion, more than 9% not 5%). But there is far more to infrastructure than things to drive on. Power distribution infrastructure is infrastructure. Rail infrastructure is infrastructure. Water and sewer infrastructure is infrastructure. Communications infrastructure is infrastructure. Air and sea ports are infrastructure. Infrastructure goes on far beyond your narrow "traditional infrastructure" view.

We all know that the rest can be manipulated to whatever the government thinks is infrustructure as its so widely interpreted. Even many unreal Green projects which we know the ideologues love.

No, I just listed all kinds of real infrastructure beyond roads. If you think power distribution lines aren't infrastructure, you as just plain wrong.

So we have a promise to fix inflation.

The name was basically propaganda. I think there were some provisions aided at inflation, but I don't know what they were and they weren't infrastructure, so it is not relevant to this post.

And yet we also have just witnessed Harris's unreal and massive trillions of dollars in promises ging away tax payers money. Or should I say spending money they havn't got. Add to this the trillions in the Infrastructure Bill and we have a remedy for disaster. Big borrowing rather than paying down debt. No realistic way to account for the money like the last time the Left gave trillions away in free money to everyone with no accountability.

Non-sequitor.

Crazy spending. Its easy to make promises with other peoples money or rather with no realistic way of accounting for those promises. Its just another example of the unrealistic ideology the Left engages in. Buying peoples votes, making promises they can never keep and having no substance to what they propose.

You clearly have no idea what is in these bills, including the provisions for fraud prevention and accountability. Your concerns are hollow.

Thats good. And in the mean time the debt rises and the coming storm is getting closer. All nations and governments will engage in infrastructure building. They have to if they want to be competitive and keep up. If they want to accommodate expanding populations.

Its having that Infrastructure integrated into a bigger fiscal accountablity and having a plan to pay down debt. Its like the household budegt with unlimited credit cards. You can spend up big fixing your house but if you don't have any rational plan to pay it down then you lose the house in the end.

Unlike the US Treasury, our debt is not the global currency. The big national governments that issue reserve currencies have real advantages that even smaller countries don't have. None of them function like a household and that comparison is meaningless.

Ok so some good Bills and Acts have been introduced. Thats good.

And passed. They are now law. All three of them.

But I am saying some some degree all governments will introduce something similar as the needs demand this. Like the CHIPS and science Act we live in a modern technological era and Digital tech is vital to even function especially for a massive nation like the US, Not doing it will be devastating in many ways.

I think Trump is aware of this or rather the Right. But Trump being a businessman would be extra aware as tech is a big part of business nowadays.

Trump's businesses are not high tech in any way. He is utterly clueless about the actual tech of semiconductors, etc. His comments about electric boats are one recent illustration of this.

But it also doesn't discount other innovations or programs that may improve society. Like Trumps plan to support black business and job creation. Taking an entrepreneurial approach to the problems that black communities face. Lifting their opportunities through being self made and sufficent by being able to particiapte more in developing their talents and abilities.

Its not a big issue like immigration but its practical and realistic and most of all makes sense in being something that rather than keeps making blacks victims and in need of equity but creates opportunities by developing their ability to participate in the same environment that has allowed the rest of society to improve their communities.

The natural spin off are improved wellbeing, job training, education and living standards. So we have to look at each sides ideas and both sides have good ideas in the same and different ways.

Not infrastructure.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Its only a point if you think that this is actually going to result in Infrastructure. I have my doubts. But kudos to Biden for making a Bill. Thats the first step. Next we have to actually see that happening on the ground.

If a government came along an just built infrastructure as part of being in power and didn't need to make any Acts or Laws to force themselves to do it they would gain more respect then someone making a Bill and not actually building infrastructure.

You should really stop commenting on this if you understand US government operation that badly. The US government can only spend money if appropriated by Congress from the Treasury. It is a legal requirement to pass bills authorizing the expenditures. A president who spent money without Congressional authorization would be breaking the law.

Passing a bill is not an act of cowardice, but a legal requirement. (I'd hazard a guess that spending in your country is also authorized by laws, but I won't assert it.)

FYI:

Budget Process | United States Senate Committee on Appropriations

 

[Hans Blaster]

All I know is that plenty have as you say "around those barriers" and checks which is another way of saying that there has been slack borders or lack of patrolling those borders. Oh thats right because the ICE officers are KKK so their numbers have been reduced, just like with police and crime going up.

The US border is patrolled, but not by "ICE", by the Border Patrol. (I hope the name isn't difficult to remember.)

A lack of policing the borders is another way of saying the borders are open as its shows the slack disregard to take the matter seriously because the fundemental ideology of the Left of Harris is that borders and officers polcing borders is seen as descriminatory and victimising assylum seekers.

President Biden supported a bill to increase spending on border security and speed processing of migrants (including the deportation of the majority of them who fail the asylum criteria). Trump had his allies in Congress kill it. VP Harris supports passing it and vows to sign it.

The point is we don't know. We don't know whether they are genuine, economic or radicals. The idea of controlled borders doesn't mean we don't accept genuine assylum seekers. Its to screen them to determine that and stop the undersirables and others who want to take advantage of western generousity.

But what the Left does is assume all are victims because that is their ideology. They see the world through the DEI and CRT lens that the world is made up of oppressors and victims and al other possibilities are discounted. Its that ideology that is allowing the radficals in economic refugees because they think they are all victims.

Its the same ideology that wants to defund the police and turn a blind eye to crime because they see criminals as victims and not as someone who is responsible for their actions due to a number of factors besides victimisation or the big bad white system of law enforcement.

None of that tries to identify monarchy or oppression at home.

We is all nations in the free democratic world. We face the exact same problems. Everything that the US is facing and the biggest issues facing all free western nations is the same. When I read the issues for the US I am reading my own nation and those of England and Europe. Just varying stages along the line of the reality happening.

So if you want to see the future of the US or Australia we can look to England and Europe with the immigration problems. If you want to see the reality of the Leftist ideology we can look to other nations more alng the line of implementing such ideology. In fact the US has a few examples in the cities like California where the ideology is well advanced.

None of this has to do with "leftist ideology". Migrants aren't leaving their homes because of leftist ideology.

Actually we have got the immigration problem sorted mostly. The Left had an open border policy and we had thousands coming by boat, dying at sdea in dingy boats sinking or capsizing killing women and children. Coming in unvetted. But the Right put a stop to it.

We know in Australia that the Left as known for open borders and slack checks on immigration. The Left are in again and we are starting to see the immigration and integrations problems happening again. Rising civil unrest and radical terror.

All I see here is projection. You are applying your view of your government and politicians and their approach to immigration to other countries. We are not you.

Like I said its in the DNA of prgressives to be slack on immigration because they don't support nationalism or getting tough on immigration or crime. They see them as victims and therefore they must save the world and turn it into one big DEI melting pot. That would be nice except the its unreal considering the damage these policies are already creating throughout the world.

See above. You clearly don't understand my country. You should probably stop trying to analyze it.

No the Woke refugees in the US are fleeing states like California, San Francisco and Los Angeles and it seems some are heading for the Southern Appalachian region which I would have thought was the least Woke and more traditional. Progressive policies such as 'harm reduction' which don't penalize hard drug use have been blamed for worsening the crisis for drugs. Policies causing high cost of living has also be blamd for homelessness people leaving.

The Mass Migration Out of America’s Biggest Leftwing Cities Continues

The Mass Migration Out of America's Biggest Leftwing Cities Continues

We are witnessing a mass migration from America's largest, most leftwing cities as Americans vote with their feet on progressive agendas.

genbiz.com

Nothing to do with immigration.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Ok its a political sysytem of government a centralist government.

That sentence doesn't even make sense. Have you considered proofreading and editing before posting? You might catch these things.

My point was that it takes a certain mind set, way of thinking and belief (ideology) to get to a point where a party wants to create a totalitarian system of government. Just like it takes a certain kind of mindset to want to create a free and democratic system of government.

Ideological philosophies like socialism, Marxism, communism, cultural Marxism, even Woke as this is an amalgamation of some of these have tendencies to end up being totalitarian. No society steps from free and democratic to totalitarian over night. Its a gradual evolution that chips away at freedoms and democracy.

As we have seen behind all these polititcians, activists and ideologues regardless of whether its about abortion, trans, race, gender, sex, class rights and inequalities is an oppressor and victim view of the world, where most believe in strong socilist even Marxist ideology so everyone has the same outcomes. That means implementing by force the measures to acheve this.

Are you sure the opressor/victim view of the world isn't your view and the one you are projecting on the rest of us? I get a lot of that from you in your various writings.

Choosing an ideology that is not the one you like is not totalitarianism.

It has totalitarianism and its potential as a logical extention. We know of many socialist regimes that have become totalitarian in many ways. But new expressions of socialism are different. Like any idea of the past such as Woke they are reconstructed into a new mix of ideas and beliefs.

It really doesn't. Most governments in the world own some sort of "means of production". Most frequently utilities, transit companies, etc. None of those are paths to totalitarianism. Totalitarianism comes from demagogues that demonize and otherize their enemies and characterize them as less human. I've seen some of that from politicians in this campaign, and it isn't from Harris/Walz.

We could even say that some religion has entered the mix as ideas like Woke have a strong religions aspect like ostrasizing the unWoke and platitudes to being Woke. The worthy and unworthy identities. Also most of these new ideas have a Postmodernist twist which makes relaity relative so its hard to pin down truth.

In that sense its fertile ground for controlling people through emotions and constructing a new reality people must conform to, new meanings, new moral norms ect. Create the ideology and then instill it through the institutions and into mainstream society. We have been watching this come to realisation in the last decade or so.

How people are cancelled, free speech shut down and the ideology being enforced in the name of rights, protection and PC.

This is nothing more than paranoid fantasy.

Yes it does. Because we can as the video I linked shows analyse what thinking and beliefs are inclined for controlling people and the institutions. Just like we can identify the thinking and beliefs of any disordered thinking we can do the same for a group of people, a political parties thinking and beliefs at the time.

Calling something "disordered thinking" is one of those red flags on the path...

Like people can today trace how Hitler and his party or any regime evolved from a rational society to one that became irrational and controlling. Its a gradual evolution to and from a free society and we can identify the signs or red flags if you will that any society is at risk of becoming controlling.

There are those signs in my society, but they are found not in the people around VP Harris, but around ex-President Trump. It isn't even winked at any more.

 

[KCfromNC]

Its only a point if you think that this is actually going to result in Infrastructure.

Not true. It shows my point that one administration actually managed to follow through on campaign promises. All of this extra stuff you're adding is just an attempt to distract from that simple conclusion.

What was the initial claim about open borders.

"As for the wall the whole issue of needing a wall is because of the Lefts radical open border policy."

Followed by lots of posts avoiding backing up this claim.

 

[stevevw]

Because he gave him what he wanted.

And what was it he wanted.

 

[stevevw]

Not true. It shows my point that one administration actually managed to follow through on campaign promises. All of this extra stuff you're adding is just an attempt to distract from that simple conclusion.

OK, but then you still have a problem. If you are going to use the point that delivering on election promises is how we should determine which side is best then we have to look at this overall and how each party has done in delivering on election promises or not.

When we do niether side has an impressive record. We could go back and find plenty of examples of both sides not delivering on election promises. Using just one example gives a false representation of how each side has done in delivering their election promises.

"As for the wall the whole issue of needing a wall is because of the Lefts radical open border policy."

Followed by lots of posts avoiding backing up this claim.

But I never made any claims about needing a wall because of the Lefts open border policy. Your creating a strawman.

I said that the Left has an open border policy which is causing damage to society, to the US in different ways and tried to explain and support this.

The idea of a wall is a reaction to the fact that the security at the border is slack and mismangaged and of a lack of immigration policy. Whether its a wall or better monitoring something is needed to stop the flood of people coming over the border and at vet those coming.

Thats my only point. That the current Biden/Harris administration and the Harris past position on this is a danger because it is slack due to their ideological over reach influencing their beliefs about how to treat refugees and assylum seekers.

 

[Desk trauma]

And what was it he wanted.

A position in the administration.

 

[stevevw]

That sentence doesn't even make sense. Have you considered proofreading and editing before posting? You might catch these things.

Apart from the extra y in system which should not effect your understanding that I meant system and a comma missing before, "a centralist government" I can't see how this is hard to understand. Look here is the definition of 'Totalitarianism' ie "a system of government that is centralized".

I know I make mistakes with grammer. I am a bit dyslexic. But I am constantly fixing up errors and sometimes get slack lol. But surely you knew what I meant.

Are you sure the opressor/victim view of the world isn't your view and the one you are projecting on the rest of us? I get a lot of that from you in your various writings.

My writings are just reflecting what is actually happening. Plus they are not just my views but those of the majority and of many good commentators on the political ideology of the Left at the moment.
Choosing an ideology that is not the one you like is not totalitarianism.

It really doesn't. Most governments in the world own some sort of "means of production". Most frequently utilities, transit companies, etc. None of those are paths to totalitarianism.

This shows you have a limited understanding of the psychology of totalitarianism. It doesn't just apply to capital and class. The same principle of Marxism can be applied to culture itself such as how a society orders itself through cultural norms, policies and laws regarding race, sex or gender. Or other identities that are used to define relationships of power within a society.

Basically Intersectionaility under CRT is a good example of how identity groups are valued and measured in relationship to power relations. The more oppressed identity groups such as black, women and queer garner more value as the oppressed as opposed to say white, male and heteronorms.

We see this ideological thinking throughout society, in policies, laws and norms being pushed based on race, sex and gender. Woke is just the outward morality of this.

Totalitarianism comes from demagogues that demonize and otherize their enemies and characterize them as less human. I've seen some of that from politicians in this campaign, and it isn't from Harris/Walz.

Do you mean how whites are seen as colonialist and gendernormative oppressors. Pushing their whiteness on everyone. How we now deem whites as inherently racist and in need of their whiteness being purged so they become more Woke DEI. Or how being a male is toxic.

As opposed to the identity blind idea we have built our nations on its the Lefts Woke DEI ideology that is hyper exentuating identities of race, sex and gender to name a few. They insist we must measure human worth and how we order society based on race, gender and sex lines to enable a DEI utopia.

They interpret any opposing views such as identity neutral policies are being racist or genderphobic. It is they who have brough identity intgo focus to the point of radical ideology.

Waltz and Harris are just two of the ideologues that support such ideology. Just look at their positions and ideas such as defund the police and DEI support like Equity.

This is nothing more than paranoid fantasy.

No its backed by facts.

Calling something "disordered thinking" is one of those red flags on the path...

Yes exactly and we can identify it just like we can in individuals. Groups of people can be deluded in their thinking, their political ideologies such as groupthink or like Wokeness where a new moral oder is enforced similar to religion. Did you not look at the video which breaksdown how this ideological and disordered thinking is developed politically.

There are those signs in my society, but they are found not in the people around VP Harris, but around ex-President Trump. It isn't even winked at any more.

They are found among both parties and to say they are not is unreal. Its human nature. The fact that we have two opposing sides both claiming that the other is deluded and they are the holders of reality supports this.

I gave simple and obvious evidence for this in that Harris and those around her are gaslighting the nation about Bidens mental health and about Harris's true radical views they are now denying. They are either engaging in a delusion they truely believe or they are knowingly lying to cover the true state of affairs.

But either way that is a sign, a red flag that Harris, Walts and the party are engaging in de44ception,, in a misrepresentation of reality and are doing this in many other ways.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Apart from the extra y in system which should not effect your understanding that I meant system and a comma missing before, "a centralist government" I can't see how this is hard to understand. Look here is the definition of 'Totalitarianism' ie "a system of government that is centralized".

Now I know what you meant, but I did not then. (Many non-totalitarian governments are centralized, as opposed to federal.)

I know I make mistakes with grammer. I am a bit dyslexic. But I am constantly fixing up errors and sometimes get slack lol. But surely you knew what I meant.

Mistakes are fine. I've read past hundreds of your grammatical, spelling, and punctuation errors. If you are going to spend all that time writing long posts, you could at least spend a couple extra minutes reading it to look for errors and reduce the count.

My writings are just reflecting what is actually happening. Plus they are not just my views but those of the majority and of many good commentators on the political ideology of the Left at the moment.
Choosing an ideology that is not the one you like is not totalitarianism.

We'll come back to this...

This shows you have a limited understanding of the psychology of totalitarianism. It doesn't just apply to capital and class.

Just because I don't live in a monarchy or other totalitarian state does not mean I have no idea of the psychology of totalitarianism. For some reason that and all of ...

The same principle of Marxism can be applied to culture itself such as how a society orders itself through cultural norms, policies and laws regarding race, sex or gender. Or other identities that are used to define relationships of power within a society.

Basically Intersectionaility under CRT is a good example of how identity groups are valued and measured in relationship to power relations. The more oppressed identity groups such as black, women and queer garner more value as the oppressed as opposed to say white, male and heteronorms.

We see this ideological thinking throughout society, in policies, laws and norms being pushed based on race, sex and gender. Woke is just the outward morality of this.

... this ^^^^ was in response to a statement about the "means of production" that I made. None of this was relevant, so I don't care what you wrote here.

Do you mean how whites are seen as colonialist and gendernormative oppressors. Pushing their whiteness on everyone. How we now deem whites as inherently racist and in need of their whiteness being purged so they become more Woke DEI. Or how being a male is toxic.

As opposed to the identity blind idea we have built our nations on its the Lefts Woke DEI ideology that is hyper exentuating identities of race, sex and gender to name a few. They insist we must measure human worth and how we order society based on race, gender and sex lines to enable a DEI utopia.

They interpret any opposing views such as identity neutral policies are being racist or genderphobic. It is they who have brough identity intgo focus to the point of radical ideology.

Waltz and Harris are just two of the ideologues that support such ideology. Just look at their positions and ideas such as defund the police and DEI support like Equity.

In answer to your opening question of this block: No, it is not what I mean.

No its backed by facts.

That stuff about "woke oppression" and the end of free speech is exactly paranoid fantasy and fear mongering.

Yes exactly and we can identify it just like we can in individuals. Groups of people can be deluded in their thinking, their political ideologies such as groupthink or like Wokeness where a new moral oder is enforced similar to religion. Did you not look at the video which breaksdown how this ideological and disordered thinking is developed politically.

They are found among both parties and to say they are not is unreal. Its human nature. The fact that we have two opposing sides both claiming that the other is deluded and they are the holders of reality supports this.

I gave simple and obvious evidence for this in that Harris and those around her are gaslighting the nation about Bidens mental health and about Harris's true radical views they are now denying. They are either engaging in a delusion they truely believe or they are knowingly lying to cover the true state of affairs.

But either way that is a sign, a red flag that Harris, Walts and the party are engaging in de44ception,, in a misrepresentation of reality and are doing this in many other ways.

And you've completely lost the plot and wandered far off topic. END.

 

[KCfromNC]

OK, but then you still have a problem. If you are going to use the point that delivering on election promises is how we should determine which side is best then we have to look at this overall and how each party has done in delivering on election promises or not.

A good start to this determination would be not trying to change the subject when we find an area where one admin delivered while another failed to do so.

But I never made any claims about needing a wall because of the Lefts open border policy.

Where did I say you did?

 

[stevevw]

Now I know what you meant, but I did not then. (Many non-totalitarian governments are centralized, as opposed to federal.)

Yes true but the centralising process can be gradual. A creeping of State control into more and more areas of life. The welfare state is very centralising in that it brings people under the net of wefare dependence. DEI ideology can be a tool of the State through policy within Institutions which enforces a certain ideological position onto all.

Mistakes are fine. I've read past hundreds of your grammatical, spelling, and punctuation errors. If you are going to spend all that time writing long posts, you could at least spend a couple extra minutes reading it to look for errors and reduce the count.

I do lol so what you get is a revised copy. Imagine if I didn't. But I will try and minimize my errors.

We'll come back to this...

Just because I don't live in a monarchy or other totalitarian state does not mean I have no idea of the psychology of totalitarianism. For some reason that and all of ...

... this ^^^^ was in response to a statement about the "means of production" that I made. None of this was relevant, so I don't care what you wrote here.

Thats because you were equating what I was talking about with cultural Marxism with the classic definition which it had nothing to do with. If you equate this with classic Marxism then you are not understanding how Marxism is applied today and how it underpins the Lefts ideology.

In answer to your opening question of this block: No, it is not what I mean.

Then you need to update yourself on this as its very relevant to the Left and their position on a number of big issues.

That stuff about "woke oppression" and the end of free speech is exactly paranoid fantasy and fear mongering.

No its not. We have evidence that for this with such ideas based on DEI and CRT and Gender ideology which underpins policy and laws. We have evidence from the Lefts own positions on a number of these issues.

Take immigration. Harris believes there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant and that ICE officers are like the KKK. This comes directly out of Woke and CRT ideology. Defunding the police the same, Equity, the E in DEI comes from the same ideology.

Harris has even gone to the trouble of explaining this for everyone. Its about equal outcomes rather than equal opportunity. Its classic CRT Woke. If you go into the deatils of Harris and other ideologues like AOC and Waltz you will find Woke CRT and DEI fingerprints all over it.

Report on State Department: “Woke Is Weak”
The report details how the U.S. State Department has prioritized promoting Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility (DEIA) policies at the expense of carrying out its mission to build international relationships and protect America’s national security.

Rubio Releases Report on State Department: “Woke Is Weak”

NULL

www.rubio.senate.gov

D.E.I. Programs Are Getting in the Way of Liberal Education

Opinion | D.E.I. Programs Are Getting in the Way of Liberal Education (Published 2023)

Highly ideological D.E.I. programs erode the environment of open, substantive debate that is the basic prerequisite for liberal education.

www.nytimes.com

Why ‘wokeness’ is the biggest threat to Democrats in the 2022 election
Politicians and party strategists are admitting that their biggest challenge comes from within: “Woke” liberals demanding adherence to policies on crime, the environment and government spending that are simply not shared by a majority of the country.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/12/politics/woke-green-new-deal-defund-the-police/index.html

And you've completely lost the plot and wandered far off topic. END.

If I have lost the plot then why are so many supporting what I am saying. Why are now even democrates agreeing that the progressive Left are the ones that have actually lost the plot with their Woke, PC, DEI and CRT ideology.

 

[stevevw]

A good start to this determination would be not trying to change the subject when we find an area where one admin delivered while another failed to do so.

Why thats exactly what the Left are doing. Its exactly what you are doing. Every issue that anyone has said about Trump doing something good or delivering good policy has been shot down and every effort has been made to make out Trump is completely incompetent. Its just the same politics.

But I can say both parties have delivered good and bad policy as most governments do nowadays. Thats why we are having problems at the moment domestically and on a world scale.

Where did I say you did?

Ok I thought when you said "As for the wall the whole issue of needing a wall is because of the Lefts radical open border policy " that this was something you were disputing I said about the Left.

Ok so I am not sure what your point is now.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yes true but the centralising process can be gradual. A creeping of State control into more and more areas of life. The welfare state is very centralising in that it brings people under the net of wefare dependence. DEI ideology can be a tool of the State through policy within Institutions which enforces a certain ideological position onto all.

A centralized government does not make a totalitarian state. Until "Devolution" the UK was considered a quintessential centralized state with little power in the regions or provinces as opposed to the Westminster government. This is in contrast to federal or decentralized states like yours and mine. Totalitarianism is about the demand of submission to the state and its leaders. Centralized government is not a slippery slope to totalitarianism.

I do lol so what you get is a revised copy. Imagine if I didn't. But I will try and minimize my errors.

Oh my. Perhaps you should try shorter posts. They are easier to write and edit.

Thats because you were equating what I was talking about with cultural Marxism with the classic definition which it had nothing to do with. If you equate this with classic Marxism then you are not understanding how Marxism is applied today and how it underpins the Lefts ideology.

Then you need to update yourself on this as its very relevant to the Left and their position on a number of big issues.

No its not. We have evidence that for this with such ideas based on DEI and CRT and Gender ideology which underpins policy and laws. We have evidence from the Lefts own positions on a number of these issues.

Take immigration. Harris believes there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant and that ICE officers are like the KKK. This comes directly out of Woke and CRT ideology. Defunding the police the same, Equity, the E in DEI comes from the same ideology.

Harris has even gone to the trouble of explaining this for everyone. Its about equal outcomes rather than equal opportunity. Its classic CRT Woke. If you go into the deatils of Harris and other ideologues like AOC and Waltz you will find Woke CRT and DEI fingerprints all over it.

Report on State Department: “Woke Is Weak”
The report details how the U.S. State Department has prioritized promoting Diversity, Equity, Inclusion, and Accessibility (DEIA) policies at the expense of carrying out its mission to build international relationships and protect America’s national security.

Rubio Releases Report on State Department: “Woke Is Weak”

NULL

www.rubio.senate.gov

D.E.I. Programs Are Getting in the Way of Liberal Education

Opinion | D.E.I. Programs Are Getting in the Way of Liberal Education (Published 2023)

Highly ideological D.E.I. programs erode the environment of open, substantive debate that is the basic prerequisite for liberal education.

www.nytimes.com

Why ‘wokeness’ is the biggest threat to Democrats in the 2022 election
Politicians and party strategists are admitting that their biggest challenge comes from within: “Woke” liberals demanding adherence to policies on crime, the environment and government spending that are simply not shared by a majority of the country.

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/12/politics/woke-green-new-deal-defund-the-police/index.html

If I have lost the plot then why are so many supporting what I am saying. Why are now even democrates agreeing that the progressive Left are the ones that have actually lost the plot with their Woke, PC, DEI and CRT ideology.

Not interested, not relevant.

 

[KCfromNC]

Why thats exactly what the Left are doing.

The "Left" is changing the subject away from a democratic administration being able to pass their promised infrastructure bill while Trump's failed? I'd need to see some proof of this.

Ok I thought when you said "As for the wall the whole issue of needing a wall is because of the Lefts radical open border policy "

The italicized text was a quote from one of your posts, not my words. Claiming I said something I never did isn't a good way to have your posts taken seriously.

 

[stevevw]

The "Left" is changing the subject away from a democratic administration being able to pass their promised infrastructure bill while Trump's failed? I'd need to see some proof of this.

I am saying good on the Dems for making a Infrastructure Bill. But so what. If you want to compare both parties as to their ability to implement Acts and make promises to do stuff then neither side wins. Sometimes they might do good, often they do wrong and mismangage things. We know this from their track record. We know this because politicians have become the least trusted people.

So all I am doing is say ok implementing a Bill to make infrastructure is a good thing. Good on the Dems. But that alone doesn't tell us if the government is the right one or will do the right thing. Theres a lot more to it than that. I mean Rome was great at building impressive stuff. But they sure were cruel tyrants.

The italicized text was a quote from one of your posts, not my words. Claiming I said something I never did isn't a good way to have your posts taken seriously.

OK I get you now. But that is why I said I never said that you said that lol. You said something about the wall not being finished or the claim to get Mexico to pay for it was not followed through with.

I was saying that this is besides the point. Trump said he would build a wall and he went about starting to do that. That was the point, not who paid for it whether that was with a wall or tighter security. Somethings was being done and that was important because the wall became a an option due to the chaos the Left had brought upon the borders.