Let's look at the people that Kamala's VP pick surrounds himself with

[stevevw]

And if you want to give realistic examples from unbiased sources containing thought provoking articles c/w facts and figures to bolster your argument, you turn to The Daily Telegraph, The NY Post and the National Review.

Farcical.

Actually I just finished watching a good video on this. Its good because its not about the personalities, the identities or even policies of the right or left. But rather a psychological and sociological analysis of politics in the modern west and how it is evolving. How at this moment in time we are seeing the rise of Woke liberal ideology that has been cultivated and brewing for some time.

We are actually in the 3rd wave of Woke in fact a bit like the waves of Feminism. The first was in the 60's with the univeristy protests and the radical groups like the Black Panthers. The second came in the 80's and 90's with all the Feminist studies and where Black Studies and CRT began.

The third was around 2004 when this moved from academia into administration, and institutions. This was when PC and CC were becoming wide spread.

Anyway it goes into a good analysis of how this applies to politics and why we are seeing a rise in Leftist ideology.

The point being this is not about sides but a overview of how society and nations think, believe and how ideology can change along the political spectrum. How politics has evolved into what it is today. Unfortunately your going to have to get past your bias for the presenters and look at the content. Because the content is not ideology but fact and based on a lot of research and data.

 

[Bradskii]

But as we know politics has been takan into new territory with ideological beliefs now and identity politics. So this is also influencing peoples views. In that sense people see Harris and the Left as more of a danger to freedom and democracy.

And the evidence that you feel obliged to present, considering you could have presented anything at all, are three opinion pieces from The Daily Telegraph, The NY Post and the National Review.

You must realise that when people know where you get your information from it mounts to a whole lot of very little indeed.

 

[stevevw]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. First, I hear from Trump supporters, how Kamala Harris has no stated policies, never offers any specifics....then they criticize policy after policy, and call every specific stance she supposedly has "marxist" or "socialist" or "communist."

Now, apparently, she's a totalitarian. Gee.

Lol, yeah, yeah, yeah, thats a Beatles song. As I said the very little policy (if you could call it that as theres no detail). Harris has said enough to know ehere she is coming from.

You also forget that Harris has put forward some policy positions in the past. These are the ones the Left minders are trying to run away from. So part of the problem is we have two sets of claims about who Harris is. I guess thats the idea, to confuse people.

But if you look at what Harris has said so far and what she stood for in her past we can easily see she is a radical and dangerous. Besides we don't have to rely on Harris alone. We can look at her Leftist allies like Newsom and Sanders. In fact out of all running maters for example rather than Shapiro being in the middle she picks Waltz whose a known Leftist.

So we can get an idea of what this radical face of the Left is all about from their own leaders who basically are pushing the same ideology thats destroying citiers like California.

Tell you what, give me a specific instance of Kamala Harris saying, directly, that she supports a specific totalitarian policy, rather than one that someone claims is totalitarian, and we'll talk. Until then, it's just fearmongering, and I don't buy into that.

Ah well thats easy. How about 'Defund the Police'. What about prosecuting the parents of truants. How about DEI ideology. What about the 'E' in DEI, Equity. Harris has mentioned it several times. Euity is about equal outcomes. How do you think we can obtain equal outcomes without at least forcing some situations including those involved to get equal outcomes.

Even the idea of laws to stop price gouging is a another way of saying price controls. Attacking businesses and the free markey economy to control prices. Even the idea of attacking business's and corporations with high taxes and regulations to get the money to fund the crazy trillion dollar promises made is typical socialism. That is controlling private enterprise to fund the equal outcomes.

There are plenty more examples. Examples of using the State and institutions to control outcomes. For example Harris used her office to go after a guy who exposed the body parts abortion business because she was angry that someone had negatively exposed the abortions which was one of her pet projects. Did you not read my links there are more examples. Thats the problem people are none the wiser and only see the Karmala her minders and the media portray.

But, since Kamala Harris is running against Trump, let's examine both candidates by the same yardstick. If Harris indulges in non-specifics in terms of policy (as practically every politician does to one extent or another), then Trump is the undisputed King of Non-Specifics. Under Trump, he says, we had the "best" economy, the "best" immigration policy, the "best" well, everything. What does that mean?

It means the economy was doing better, inflation was much lower, and that the immigration problem was being addressed with 10 million less people coming over the border than the current Biden/Harris government.

See the Left want to pretend that Harris was not the border zcar. But she was. Thats if Biden is claiming his office did nothing about the border. Harris was given the task and we can even go back and see that she spoke like she was given that task. No one more than her was associated with that task. Otherwise if she wasn't then we have to assume that the Biden/Harris government did nothing about the immigration problem, allocated no one just let it happen.

What you have to understand is that the Left no matter who it is have the belief but especially Harris as she has admitted this. Is that immigrants coming over the border are not illegal. The ICE are like the KKK in trying to stop them coming. There should be no borders because thats racist. Thats her ideology. So no matter what people say she has told people thats her beliefs.

So of course having such a belief she is not then going to go against her own beliefs and position on this and against all those who support her. If she did then she would have to side with the so called KKK ICE officers and become the KKK herself according to her own beliefs. Who is the real Karmala thats the danger.

Nothing.

But, for the sake of comparison, Let's examine some actual numbers: under Trump, the deficit rose 8.4 trillion. Under Biden, 4.3 billion. Not sure how that figures as the "best," maybe someone can explain that.

WE cab explain this by how you have misrepresented what the debt represented when Trump took office. Around 3.5 tillion of that was already set in place before he took over and some of the remainder was due to Covid spending increases. Trump also left around 1.6 trillion in surplus when he left office which also inflated the level of debt during his time in office.

Here's the thing: I don't believe Trump wants to be a dictator, at least not in the Pinochet/Stalin/Mussolini sense. I think he fancies himself the CEO of the US as if it were a large corporation, where profits are high and he gets richer as a result.

I think you may be onto something there. I think this would come into it to some degree being a businessman. But I also think he is a traditionalist and supports the traditional institutions and principles that the US was built upon. I don't think he wants the US to be like a corporation but rather good at doing business, samerter with money that governments usually are. The career politician mismangages things.

I think his pursuit of power in issues like presidential immunity rise from his desire to evade accountability for the crimes and frauds he's committed before becoming president, and during. I don't think he wants to rule over people with an iron fist, I think he just wants to be rich, and get richer, and not have to obey any rules along the way.

Yeah he has a bit of that "i'm different so I should get away with it attitude'. But what politician doesn't. Or rather what person who gets to that level of power. Power corrupts and just because it seems like some are not getting caught doesn't mean they are not abusing power. That is the state of politics at the moment where people trust politicians less than used car salesmen lol.

I say this based on this documented history of committing fraud on multiple occasions, his 34 felony counts of falsifying business records, and his many indictments for other crimes. Also on his constant lies about losing the last election, and his attempts to hang onto power after losing: fake electors, demanding the Georgia election officials "find" enough votes to declare him winner, his incitement of a mob with the intent to disrupt the certification of the 2020 election. These actions are those of a man who is determined to hang onto power, mostly so he can do whatever he wants, and not be held accountable for his actions.

If you consider such a person to be less dangerous than Kamala Harris, then by all means, vote for him. I can't imagine why anyone would trust a leader who has committed fraud multiple times, but it's not my vote.

-- A2SG, mine will be going to Kamala Harris.....

Yeah he has a list of negatives but still people believe in him. Believe he is the best option out of the two candidates. Now even Kenendy a democrate thinks its so important to stop the Left that he is teaming up with Trump.

So obviously the list of negatives you give aboTrump there is a majority on important issues that have a list of negatives for Harris and the Left. They may not be the same negatives or as obvious ones to the Left but nonetheless are seen as even more dangerous than Trump.

I guess its a bit like religion. You can have two groups who both believe they are on the side of rightousness and good and hold the truth and yet be holding completely different beliefs and assumptions about the world.

 

[stevevw]

And the evidence that you feel obliged to present, considering you could have presented anything at all, are three opinion pieces from The Daily Telegraph, The NY Post and the National Review.

You must realise that when people know where you get your information from it mounts to a whole lot of very little indeed.

So you didn't follow up the links they attacked for each claim. I thought you were a researcher. The links went to actual articles from Harris, her own words and actions. Like 'defunding the police'. You don't think Harris supports defunding the police like BLM.

I mean where are the Left getting their info on Harris that she is a moderate and who she is now if not from the Woke media opinion pieces lol.

Before I go into details I would like to test a more basic and obvious one.

So do you think Harris gaslight people (lied) about Bidesn health, about his cognitive ability as president.

 

[stevevw]

Not when comparing it to a previous administration which failed to.

But where not talking about Bills or bits of paper signed. We are talking about the reality that both governments have neglected infrastructure and made promises about fixing it whether in word or on paper and failed to do so. Thats why infrastructure is in crisis and in need of such a Bill.

I have lost count of the amount of times governments have held inquiries, done reports, recommendations and pledges and then reneged on them. Lets see if the Left get in that they follow through with their infrastructure promises and then we can assess things. Until then I am skeptical of promesis to fix infrastructure. Something else always comes along and takes the money. Like debt lol or other areas that take priority.

At least we've abandonded the "open borders" talking point and have moved to a different distraction.

Unfortunately this distraction is real and will keep coming up. It affects people, the economy, law and order and the peaceful integration of people within a nation. As is witness in Europe and England.

And failures in his first term, and his illegal activities during and since. Don't forget those.

We can't forget those as the Left remind us all the time, nearly 400 times at their DNC lol. Thats almost obsession. But tell me do you know the Lefts failures. Do you know Karmalas failures.

And on to yet another diversion.

Lol thats right the Left see the facts and truth a diversion from their alternative reality that Biden was as sharp as a tack and fit for president. They still do. If he is not fit for nominee then how is he fit for president right now.

See this is an obvious and fundemental fact that the Left cannot even face let alone the more sneeky ways they manipulate and abuse power. If you can't admit the obvious how can we ever expect the Left will acknowledge theiir failures and ideology that is destroying cities, states, peoples lives.

 

[A2SG]

Lol, yeah, yeah, yeah, thats a Beatles song. As I said the very little policy (if you could call it that as theres no detail). Harris has said enough to know ehere she is coming from.

You also forget that Harris has put forward some policy positions in the past. These are the ones the Left minders are trying to run away from. So part of the problem is we have two sets of claims about who Harris is. I guess thats the idea, to confuse people.

But if you look at what Harris has said so far and what she stood for in her past we can easily see she is a radical and dangerous. Besides we don't have to rely on Harris alone. We can look at her Leftist allies like Newsom and Sanders. In fact out of all running maters for example rather than Shapiro being in the middle she picks Waltz whose a known Leftist.

So we can get an idea of what this radical face of the Left is all about from their own leaders who basically are pushing the same ideology thats destroying citiers like California.

Putting aside the little detail that California isn't a city....specifically, what policies do you have a problem with, and exactly what is the problem? Please be specific...vague hints of menace without any substance don't interest me.

Ah well thats easy. How about 'Defund the Police'. What about prosecuting the parents of truants. How about DEI ideology. What about the 'E' in DEI, Equity. Harris has mentioned it several times. Euity is about equal outcomes. How do you think we can obtain equal outcomes without at least forcing some situations including those involved to get equal outcomes.

Has she specifically stated that she's planning to use some totalitarian method to achieve this goal? What methods would those be? For that matter, what about any of these policies specifically says totalitarian to you?

Again, specifics. Not vague hints of menace.

Even the idea of laws to stop price gouging is a another way of saying price controls.

Has she specifically stated she was going to institute price controls?

See, I have a hard time accepting other people's claims about her intentions when she hasn't said anything of the kind herself.

Attacking businesses and the free markey economy to control prices. Even the idea of attacking business's and corporations with high taxes and regulations to get the money to fund the crazy trillion dollar promises made is typical socialism. That is controlling private enterprise to fund the equal outcomes.

Same question: what has she, herself, said on these issues? Or are we just relying on what some right-wing website has to say about it instead?

There are plenty more examples. Examples of using the State and institutions to control outcomes. For example Harris used her office to go after a guy who exposed the body parts abortion business because she was angry that someone had negatively exposed the abortions which was one of her pet projects.

Did the individual in question commit a crime? I imagine he must have, since Harris was a prosecutor, and that's what prosecutors do.

Did you not read my links there are more examples. Thats the problem people are none the wiser and only see the Karmala her minders and the media portray.

I tend to read any biased source with a grain or two of salt.

It means the economy was doing better, inflation was much lower, and that the immigration problem was being addressed with 10 million less people coming over the border than the current Biden/Harris government.

You realize you're saying the same thing. Care to offer specific details that can be verified? Just so we know what we're talking about here.

Trump isn't offering that, can you?

See the Left want to pretend that Harris was not the border zcar. But she was.

Well, she was tasked with examining the root causes of immigration from Central America, she wasn't specifically tasked with handling the border specifically. If you want to consider that as being a "border czar," that's your business, but it's hardly Harris' fault if she did the job she was tasked with, not the one you think she should have.

Thats if Biden is claiming his office did nothing about the border. Harris was given the task and we can even go back and see that she spoke like she was given that task. No one more than her was associated with that task. Otherwise if she wasn't then we have to assume that the Biden/Harris government did nothing about the immigration problem, allocated no one just let it happen.

Well, there was that bipartisan bill that Trump ordered his cronies in Congress to kill so Biden wouldn't have a "win" on the issue, and they obeyed.

What you have to understand is that the Left no matter who it is have the belief but especially Harris as she has admitted this. Is that immigrants coming over the border are not illegal. The ICE are like the KKK in trying to stop them coming. There should be no borders because thats racist. Thats her ideology. So no matter what people say she has told people thats her beliefs.

Got a quote on that? I don't pay much attention to hearsay.

So of course having such a belief she is not then going to go against her own beliefs and position on this and against all those who support her. If she did then she would have to side with the so called KKK ICE officers and become the KKK herself according to her own beliefs. Who is the real Karmala thats the danger.

I don't know the exact quote involved here. What, specifically, did Harris say?

WE cab explain this by how you have misrepresented what the debt represented when Trump took office. Around 3.5 tillion of that was already set in place before he took over and some of the remainder was due to Covid spending increases. Trump also left around 1.6 trillion in surplus when he left office which also inflated the level of debt during his time in office.

Not according to the sources I read. They all show how much each ADDED to the deficit. But, feel free to provide documentation to support your contention.

I think you may be onto something there. I think this would come into it to some degree being a businessman. But I also think he is a traditionalist and supports the traditional institutions and principles that the US was built upon. I don't think he wants the US to be like a corporation but rather good at doing business, samerter with money that governments usually are. The career politician mismangages things.

Yeah he has a bit of that "i'm different so I should get away with it attitude'. But what politician doesn't. Or rather what person who gets to that level of power. Power corrupts and just because it seems like some are not getting caught doesn't mean they are not abusing power. That is the state of politics at the moment where people trust politicians less than used car salesmen lol.

Yeah he has a list of negatives but still people believe in him. Believe he is the best option out of the two candidates. Now even Kenendy a democrate thinks its so important to stop the Left that he is teaming up with Trump.

So obviously the list of negatives you give aboTrump there is a majority on important issues that have a list of negatives for Harris and the Left. They may not be the same negatives or as obvious ones to the Left but nonetheless are seen as even more dangerous than Trump.

I guess its a bit like religion. You can have two groups who both believe they are on the side of rightousness and good and hold the truth and yet be holding completely different beliefs and assumptions about the world.

As I said, you're free to vote however you like. I've given my reasons for not trusting Trump or preferring he never be anywhere near the White House. You're free to disagree, of course.

-- A2SG, not trying to convince you to vote one way or the other....

 

[Danthemailman]

Tell me if Trump is so bad then why is Kennedy now supporting him. A Dem that sees his own Democratic parting having lost their way and becoming radicalised. Having abandoned their own Democratic foundations.

He laid out the reasons why and funny enough they are exactly the same reasons as I have pointed out. That many people have been pointing out. Everyone can see this except the Left ideologues.

 

[stevevw]

I'll ask you the same question? Have you ever crossed the US border? Flown to a foreign country? (I have serious doubts that Steve has been to the US, because of the claim he made.)

No I havn't been to the US but my brother has. I have traveled the world mainly Asia and Europe and lived in the UK for 8 years. But we are not talking about the legal ways to enter a nation. I think England was strict and foreigners had to wait in hours long lines to have all the checks and stamps.

Thai immigrations has soldiers everywhere with machine guns. We were so paranoid we accidently dropped a bottle of red wine on their nice white marbe floor which spilt out like ruby red blood as it was a Cabernet Shiraz. It felt like Midnight Express for a moment lol. We were lucky to get out of Kwait and amazed at how militarized their airport was until we realised that Iraq had just invaded.

But heres the thing the reason they have strict immigrations is to check people, to stop radicals and ensure people are who they say they are. We have an immigration policy and allow refugees and assylum seeks to come through the proper channels. Sure some sneek in. But we don't just let things get out of control and allow people unvetted to come in.

Thats bad for everyone. Who knows who will come in. Many are economic refugees who want a better life but ast the cost of locals. Many are not integrated and this leads to a breakdown in communities causing widespread economic and cultural problems. It also seems a growing number are radical and bringing their ideologies with them.

We have not since only recent times had these radical cultural wars. It used to be that we looked to other far away nations and said thank God we don't live under such conditions. Now its on our door step. This is no small matter thanks to the Lefts progressive ideology in open borders. Its the same throughout many Leftist nations. These are the facts.

 

[KCfromNC]

But where not talking about Bills or bits of paper signed.

I was. When the related facts showed one of the candidates in an unfavorable light, the subject was changed. Par for the course, I guess - but it kinda implies the reasons for preferring that unfavorable candidate aren't fact based.

Unfortunately this distraction is real and will keep coming up.

Yes, I know right wing talking points about border security are distractions from serious policy discussions. Much like many other right wing talking points. They're designed to scare their credulous audience but don't really have much other use.

We can't forget those as the Left remind us all the time, nearly 400 times at their DNC lol. Thats almost obsession. But tell me do you know the Lefts failures. Do you know Karmalas failures.

I've heard she smiles too much. And that Trump didn't know when she decided to be black or something? Hard to remember, there's been a lot of nonsensical criticisms of her made with what looks like very little though put into them.

Lol thats right the Left see the facts and truth a diversion from their alternative reality that Biden was as sharp as a tack and fit for president.

In case you haven't heard, Biden isn't running for office.

 

[KCfromNC]

Tell me if Trump is so bad then why is Kennedy now supporting him.

Because he wants a position in Trump's administration should Trump win.

 

[Hans Blaster]

No I havn't been to the US but my brother has. I have traveled the world mainly Asia and Europe and lived in the UK for 8 years. But we are not talking about the legal ways to enter a nation.

You claimed there were no regulations or restrictions on passage through the US border. This was clearly wrong and you seem to have known that. Those entering illegally must work to get around those barriers. Much of the hubbub lately has been about asylum claimants who have to enter (legally or otherwise) and then immediately make an asylum claim.

I think England was strict and foreigners had to wait in hours long lines to have all the checks and stamps.

Thai immigrations has soldiers everywhere with machine guns. We were so paranoid we accidently dropped a bottle of red wine on their nice white marbe floor which spilt out like ruby red blood as it was a Cabernet Shiraz. It felt like Midnight Express for a moment lol. We were lucky to get out of Kwait and amazed at how militarized their airport was until we realised that Iraq had just invaded.

But heres the thing the reason they have strict immigrations is to check people, to stop radicals and ensure people are who they say they are.

Or, hear me out, these are oppressive monarchies.

We have an immigration policy and allow refugees and assylum seeks to come through the proper channels. Sure some sneek in. But we don't just let things get out of control and allow people unvetted to come in.

Is "we" Australia? If it is also the US (or worse, just the US) please stop. Our issues are not yours and vice versa. Please talk about the US in the third person here if that is your intent.

Thats bad for everyone. Who knows who will come in. Many are economic refugees who want a better life but ast the cost of locals. Many are not integrated and this leads to a breakdown in communities causing widespread economic and cultural problems. It also seems a growing number are radical and bringing their ideologies with them.

There can't be that many "sneakers", you guys have a large salty moat around your country. I thought Australia was already "multicultural and cosmopolitan". Have I been mislead?

We have not since only recent times had these radical cultural wars. It used to be that we looked to other far away nations and said thank God we don't live under such conditions. Now its on our door step. This is no small matter thanks to the Lefts progressive ideology in open borders. Its the same throughout many Leftist nations. These are the facts.

Are these migrants to Australia bringing the "woke" with them? Is it now a wave of LGBT refugees from Florida arriving at your airport immigration checkpoints?

 

[Hans Blaster]

I think Totalitarianism stems from certain ideological beliefs.

Only the ideology of "you should surrender to my use of state power to the exclusion of all others". There have been fascist totalitarian states, monarchal totalitarian states, communist totalitarian states, etc. It is not a branch of political ideology. Just google it and read the definition or maybe a wikipedia page.

For example socialism in its extreme forms have these tendencies where the State controls more and more. The problem is todays ideologies are a conglomeration of many ideas and beliefs and are evolving. So they are not obvious.

Even full state socialism and ownership of the means of production is not totalitarianism. See above.

But any psychological and sociological study can find certain mind sets and beliefs that are conducive with control, with social control. Both sides of politics are capable of becoming controlling and I think what we are seeing is the extremes of politics coming out for various reasons. I think its a combination of factors such as perhaps anxiety about climate change, increased insecurity over war and demostic conflict, and social media. The pandemic also propoelled us into a more controlling world.

I would agree that the desire for totalitarian and authoritarian forms of "governance" is related to psychology and sociology, which is why those people study it. None of that has anything to do with the Harris/Walz campaign or their allies.

 

[stevevw]

I was. When the related facts showed one of the candidates in an unfavorable light, the subject was changed. Par for the course, I guess - but it kinda implies the reasons for preferring that unfavorable candidate aren't fact based.

Ye we are as those who failed also made promises to fix infrastructure and did not actually fix infrastructure. So Bills and promises to address infrastructure are meaningless. Meaningless until some government actually fixes infrastructure. In fact we can say that we don't trust governments to address infrastructure from their past records. Thats all we have to go on at the moment.

Yes, I know right wing talking points about border security are distractions from serious policy discussions. Much like many other right wing talking points. They're designed to scare their credulous audience but don't really have much other use.

Talking about border security and immigration policy are not distractions but the very issues we need to be talking about as to which government will be best to deal with the issues.

To say that its a distraction shows how we should not trust the Left because they want to distract people away from the important issues to other non issues like appealing to feelings and identity. In fact we can already see how this distraction to ideology has damaged nations and people.

I've heard she smiles too much. And that Trump didn't know when she decided to be black or something? Hard to remember, there's been a lot of nonsensical criticisms of her made with what looks like very little though put into them.

People say she smiles rather giggles too much for good reason because she does it at inappropriate times, when the last thing you want to do is giggle. We all know that the giggling is a way people use to avoid the truth, to buy time to evade reality. Its usually a sign of someone out of their depth, who has no answer or substance and who is trying to make out there is no problem.

Its a sign of her underlying ideological mindset. That giggling and smiles are what make reality. Its like the idea of 'Joy' and making out the opposition is 'Weird'. The use of superficial symbols and representations of reality. To try and turn a bad situation into something good by merely smiling. More like a smiling assassin lol.

A good example is how Harris claimed she would be a fair prosecutor president. But she put over 1500 people in jail for pot violations and then laughed about it when asked if she ever smoked pot.

The ethnic thing is just pointing out a real observation. That Harris is a chameleon when it comes to becoming whatever the audience she is facing. If its in the south she develops a southern ancent, if its for blacks she is a black when she is actually Indian and has constantly spoken of her Indian heritage and not black heritage.

Like how she is now reneging on her past positions and morphing into a mainstream moderate. She is a radical Leftist but now she is a moderate because that is what the audience wants. Harris recreates herself into whatever is needed to get the power. That is a sign of a dangerous person willing to do anything to get power.

In case you haven't heard, Biden isn't running for office.

Yes but this still relates to the fitness of Harris and the Left to be in power. First Harris and the Left lied about Bidens cognitive fitness. So what else are they willing to lie about. Thats not a very good way to show you can be a trustworthy president or government.

Second yes Biden is not running because he is unfit. But in the meantime Harris and the Left are quite willing to allow an unfit president run one of the most important positions in the world. Thats a bad reflection on the Lefts integrity and honesty and their willingness to put everyone at risk for the sake of continuing their charade with Harris.

If they are lying about Biden then this casts asspersions that they are lying about other stuff including Harris's credibility and her polcies.

 

[stevevw]

Because he wants a position in Trump's administration should Trump win.

So its got nothing to do with actual polcies, with substance, just all power. So we are to believe everything the Right does is about power and nothing else and everything the Left does is about substance and truth. Give me a break lol.

I think its quite significant that a democrate one whose family is steeped in the democrates and who knows a thing or two about the principles that made the democrates great is not saying they have lost that base and are engaging in ideology.

Put it this way he is reflecting the same beliefs as what the majority of voters on the right think. So its more than just power, its principled. Its about fundemental differences about how each side sees themselves and the ideology they are pushing and how the see the Lefts ideology as being serious enough to be a danger to the free world and democracy.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Ye we are as those who failed also made promises to fix infrastructure and did not actually fix infrastructure. So Bills and promises to address infrastructure are meaningless. Meaningless until some government actually fixes infrastructure. In fact we can say that we don't trust governments to address infrastructure from their past records. Thats all we have to go on at the moment.

what are you talking about. Bills are not meaningless, certainly not ones that are passed. There were two infrastructure bills passed by the 117th Congress and signed by President Biden.

Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act - Wikipedia

which was almost all infrastructure special spending (Passed Nov 2021), and

Inflation Reduction Act - Wikipedia

which also includes infrastructure elements (Passed Aug 2022). (Kamala Harris cast the tie breaking vote herself as President of the Senate.)

These included funds for water, energy, communication, and transportation infrastructure. Hundreds and thousands of projects are underway or even completed, including one in my city that upgraded (past tense, project completed) our water supply.

Oh and there was also

CHIPS and Science Act - Wikipedia

which among other things stimulated the development of billions of dollars in high-tech (semi-conductors, etc.) manufacturing construction and development.

 

[stevevw]

You claimed there were no regulations or restrictions on passage through the US border. This was clearly wrong and you seem to have known that. Those entering illegally must work to get around those barriers. Much of the hubbub lately has been about asylum claimants who have to enter (legally or otherwise) and then immediately make an asylum claim.

All I know is that plenty have as you say "around those barriers" and checks which is another way of saying that there has been slack borders or lack of patrolling those borders. Oh thats right because the ICE officers are KKK so their numbers have been reduced, just like with police and crime going up.

A lack of policing the borders is another way of saying the borders are open as its shows the slack disregard to take the matter seriously because the fundemental ideology of the Left of Harris is that borders and officers polcing borders is seen as descriminatory and victimising assylum seekers.

Or, hear me out, these are oppressive monarchies.

The point is we don't know. We don't know whether they are genuine, economic or radicals. The idea of controlled borders doesn't mean we don't accept genuine assylum seekers. Its to screen them to determine that and stop the undersirables and others who want to take advantage of western generousity.

But what the Left does is assume all are victims because that is their ideology. They see the world through the DEI and CRT lens that the world is made up of oppressors and victims and al other possibilities are discounted. Its that ideology that is allowing the radficals in economic refugees because they think they are all victims.

Its the same ideology that wants to defund the police and turn a blind eye to crime because they see criminals as victims and not as someone who is responsible for their actions due to a number of factors besides victimisation or the big bad white system of law enforcement.

Is "we" Australia? If it is also the US (or worse, just the US) please stop. Our issues are not yours and vice versa. Please talk about the US in the third person here if that is your intent.

We is all nations in the free democratic world. We face the exact same problems. Everything that the US is facing and the biggest issues facing all free western nations is the same. When I read the issues for the US I am reading my own nation and those of England and Europe. Just varying stages along the line of the reality happening.

So if you want to see the future of the US or Australia we can look to England and Europe with the immigration problems. If you want to see the reality of the Leftist ideology we can look to other nations more along the line of implementing such ideology. In fact the US has a few examples in the cities like California where the ideology is well advanced.

There can't be that many "sneakers", you guys have a large salty moat around your country. I thought Australia was already "multicultural and cosmopolitan". Have I been mislead?

Actually we have got the immigration problem sorted mostly. The Left had an open border policy and we had thousands coming by boat, dying at sdea in dingy boats sinking or capsizing killing women and children. Coming in unvetted. But the Right put a stop to it.

We know in Australia that the Left as known for open borders and slack checks on immigration. The Left are in again and we are starting to see the immigration and integrations problems happening again. Rising civil unrest and radical terror.

Like I said its in the DNA of prgressives to be slack on immigration because they don't support nationalism or getting tough on immigration or crime. They see them as victims and therefore they must save the world and turn it into one big DEI melting pot. That would be nice except the its unreal considering the damage these policies are already creating throughout the world.

Are these migrants to Australia bringing the "woke" with them? Is it now a wave of LGBT refugees from Florida arriving at your airport immigration checkpoints?

No the Woke refugees in the US are fleeing states like California, San Francisco and Los Angeles and it seems some are heading for the Southern Appalachian region which I would have thought was the least Woke and more traditional. Progressive policies such as 'harm reduction' which don't penalize hard drug use have been blamed for worsening the crisis for drugs. Policies causing high cost of living has also be blamd for homelessness people leaving.

The Mass Migration Out of America’s Biggest Leftwing Cities Continues

The Mass Migration Out of America's Biggest Leftwing Cities Continues

We are witnessing a mass migration from America's largest, most leftwing cities as Americans vote with their feet on progressive agendas.

genbiz.com

 

[stevevw]

what are you talking about. Bills are not meaningless, certainly not ones that are passed. There were two infrastructure bills passed by the 117th Congress and signed by President Biden.

Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act - Wikipedia

which was almost all infrastructure special spending (Passed Nov 2021), and

The Bill only dedicates 5% of the budget to traditional infrastructure like roads and bridges which is probably the most needed. We all know that the rest can be manipulated to whatever the government thinks is infrustructure as its so widely interpreted. Even many unreal Green projects which we know the ideologues love.

Inflation Reduction Act - Wikipedia

which also includes infrastructure elements (Passed Aug 2022). (Kamala Harris cast the tie breaking vote herself as President of the Senate.)

So we have a promise to fix inflation. And yet we also have just witnessed Harris's unreal and massive trillions of dollars in promises ging away tax payers money. Or should I say spending money they havn't got. Add to this the trillions in the Infrastructure Bill and we have a remedy for disaster. Big borrowing rather than paying down debt. No realistic way to account for the money like the last time the Left gave trillions away in free money to everyone with no accountability.

Crazy spending. Its easy to make promises with other peoples money or rather with no realistic way of accounting for those promises. Its just another example of the unrealistic ideology the Left engages in. Buying peoples votes, making promises they can never keep and having no substance to what they propose.

These included funds for water, energy, communication, and transportation infrastructure. Hundreds and thousands of projects are underway or even completed, including one in my city that upgraded (past tense, project completed) our water supply.

Thats good. And in the mean time the debt rises and the coming storm is getting closer. All nations and governments will engage in infrastructure building. They have to if they want to be competitive and keep up. If they want to accommodate expanding populations.

Its having that Infrastructure integrated into a bigger fiscal accountablity and having a plan to pay down debt. Its like the household budegt with unlimited credit cards. You can spend up big fixing your house but if you don't have any rational plan to pay it down then you lose the house in the end.

Oh and there was also

CHIPS and Science Act - Wikipedia

which among other things stimulated the development of billions of dollars in high-tech (semi-conductors, etc.) manufacturing construction and development.

Ok so some good Bills and Acts have been introduced. Thats good. But I am saying some some degree all governments will introduce something similar as the needs demand this. Like the CHIPS and science Act we live in a modern technological era and Digital tech is vital to even function especially for a massive nation like the US, Not doing it will be devastating in many ways.

I think Trump is aware of this or rather the Right. But Trump being a businessman would be extra aware as tech is a big part of business nowadays.

But it also doesn't discount other innovations or programs that may improve society. Like Trumps plan to support black business and job creation. Taking an entrepreneurial approach to the problems that black communities face. Lifting their opportunities through being self made and sufficent by being able to particiapte more in developing their talents and abilities.

Its not a big issue like immigration but its practical and realistic and most of all makes sense in being something that rather than keeps making blacks victims and in need of equity but creates opportunities by developing their ability to participate in the same environment that has allowed the rest of society to improve their communities.

The natural spin off are improved wellbeing, job training, education and living standards. So we have to look at each sides ideas and both sides have good ideas in the same and different ways.

 

[stevevw]

Only the ideology of "you should surrender to my use of state power to the exclusion of all others". There have been fascist totalitarian states, monarchal totalitarian states, communist totalitarian states, etc. It is not a branch of political ideology. Just google it and read the definition or maybe a wikipedia page.

Ok its a political sysytem of government a centralist government. My point was that it takes a certain mind set, way of thinking and belief (ideology) to get to a point where a party wants to create a totalitarian system of government. Just like it takes a certain kind of mindset to want to create a free and democratic system of government.

Ideological philosophies like socialism, Marxism, communism, cultural Marxism, even Woke as this is an amalgamation of some of these have tendencies to end up being totalitarian. No society steps from free and democratic to totalitarian over night. Its a gradual evolution that chips away at freedoms and democracy.

As we have seen behind all these polititcians, activists and ideologues regardless of whether its about abortion, trans, race, gender, sex, class rights and inequalities is an oppressor and victim view of the world, where most believe in strong socilist even Marxist ideology so everyone has the same outcomes. That means implementing by force the measures to acheve this.

Even full state socialism and ownership of the means of production is not totalitarianism. See above.

It has totalitarianism and its potential as a logical extention. We know of many socialist regimes that have become totalitarian in many ways. But new expressions of socialism are different. Like any idea of the past such as Woke they are reconstructed into a new mix of ideas and beliefs.

We could even say that some religion has entered the mix as ideas like Woke have a strong religions aspect like ostrasizing the unWoke and platitudes to being Woke. The worthy and unworthy identities. Also most of these new ideas have a Postmodernist twist which makes relaity relative so its hard to pin down truth.

In that sense its fertile ground for controlling people through emotions and constructing a new reality people must conform to, new meanings, new moral norms ect. Create the ideology and then instill it through the institutions and into mainstream society. We have been watching this come to realisation in the last decade or so.

How people are cancelled, free speech shut down and the ideology being enforced in the name of rights, protection and PC.

I would agree that the desire for totalitarian and authoritarian forms of "governance" is related to psychology and sociology, which is why those people study it. None of that has anything to do with the Harris/Walz campaign or their allies.

Yes it does. Because we can as the video I linked shows analyse what thinking and beliefs are inclined for controlling people and the institutions. Just like we can identify the thinking and beliefs of any disordered thinking we can do the same for a group of people, a political parties thinking and beliefs at the time.

Like people can today trace how Hitler and his party or any regime evolved from a rational society to one that became irrational and controlling. Its a gradual evolution to and from a free society and we can identify the signs or red flags if you will that any society is at risk of becoming controlling.

 

[KCfromNC]

So its got nothing to do with actual polcies, with substance, just all power. So we are to believe everything the Right does is about power and nothing else and everything the Left does is about substance and truth.

You said it, not me.

 

[KCfromNC]

Ye we are as those who failed also made promises to fix infrastructure and did not actually fix infrastructure.

I wasn't. It was brought up as an attempt to distract from the fact that Biden's administration managed to actually pass an infrastructure bill, unlike the GOP's candidate.

Talking about border security and immigration policy are not distractions

Just acknowledging I recognize the attempt to run away from the initial claim about open borders. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

People say she smiles rather giggles too much for good reason because she does it at inappropriate times, when the last thing you want to do is giggle.

Yep, a very serious critique, obviously. Kinda like accusing her of supporting open borders when she doesn't in fact support them. Very serious indeed.