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Harris campaign now says VP ‘does not support’ electric vehicle mandate in latest flip-flop

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That’s why the big push for autonomous automobiles to guide people into handing their transportation needs to machines that simply do the work without humans having to be bothered about what route to take, or traffic patterns, of their towns at specific times of the day.

Musk will provide the “network” that’ll be needed to keep every flying-car in touch with every other flying-car and avoid dangerous situations.
(also) on the plus side, the “shortage-economy” we’ve been locked into since the Industrial Revolution, would vanish.
Think about how “far we’ve come” technologically by harnessing (while still not completely understanding) electricity.
Beginning to comprehend another one of the four fundamental “forces” could be useful to us is, where they’re at, like Volta and the frogs-legs…it’s early on but totally worth the effort.
I do not trust autonomous vehicles yet, but I do hope that flying cars are fully autonomous when the tech matures. When I was a young kid in 2012-13 or so, I thought we would have autonomous flying cars by 2030, with driverless land cars by the end of the 2010s. That tech did not happen. For electricity, we did not know much about electrons back in the 1880s, as we did not discover electrons until 1897. Electrons are probably my favorite particle, as they do so much work for us in modern society, from being used for lighting, to being used inside our computers, and even powering spacecraft.

Are you talking about an economy that could be more resilient? We can not get our hopes up too high, as public transit might be a more viable option compared to cars. Or, we could have self-contained cities in skyscrapers, such as the Sky City 1000. I am looking forward to autonomous cars, but would be looking forward to these self-contained cities even more. If one wants to escape the city for a few days, one could rent a car and go someplace else.

Walkable Cities: A 1989 Japanese concept tower (never built) took this idea even further, with a height of 1000 m (3300 ft). This Sky City 1000 would have multiple amenities, and be a fully self contained car-free city, where people could walk to other amenities, or take a high speed elevator between almost 200 floors.

Sky City 1000: Sky City 1000 - Wikipedia

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I am okay with hybrids on the road, especially Japanese and American made ones, but not with full EVs such as Tesla, as Musk's personality is not my type, and the greed runs rampant in the EV industry (same could be said for the oil industry). We need more public transit as a solution to travel within cities, with cars only relegated for road trips and travel between cities. Also, EVs die in the cold winters of Northern states such as Wisconsin, Minnesota and Illinois. In summary, 2035 is way too early to be enforcing tailpipe emissions until the tech matures. We could change the rule to 2045, to allow a decade more of time for innovation to increase.

If Biden wants to solve climate change, he needs to roll out more buses. :)
 
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I am okay with hybrids on the road, especially Japanese and American made ones, but not with full EVs such as Tesla, as Musk's personality is not my type, and the greed runs rampant in the EV industry (same could be said for the oil industry). We need more public transit as a solution to travel within cities, with cars only relegated for road trips and travel between cities. Also, EVs die in the cold winters of Northern states such as Wisconsin, Minnesota and Illinois. In summary, 2035 is way too early to be enforcing tailpipe emissions until the tech matures. We could change the rule to 2045, to allow a decade more of time for innovation to increase.

If Biden wants to solve climate change, he needs to roll out more buses. :)
I agree we need more, and better, public transport options in our cities. You can blame GM for much of the fact that there's a lack of that, since they conspired with other car and tire manufacturers to scuttle the streetcar system in many cities. They were even taken to court over it. And lost.

There's more to the story, of course, but this was a significant factor.

Some interesting reading: General Motors streetcar conspiracy - Wikipedia

-- A2SG, much of that's been forgotten these days....
 
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I agree we need more, and better, public transport options in our cities. You can blame GM for much of the fact that there's a lack of that, since they conspired with other car and tire manufacturers to scuttle the streetcar system in many cities. They were even taken to court over it. And lost.

Some interesting reading: General Motors streetcar conspiracy - Wikipedia

-- A2SG, much of that's been forgotten these days....
We both agree on more public transit. I might have watched a short documentary on how GM was forcing the death of trams/streetcars in certain areas. For that, everyone should boycott GMC and Chevy (unless those are the only affordable cars in one's city). Also, how come GM was only fined $5,000? Now, that would be worth a lot more in 2024 (around $60K), but still, for a large car company, if I was a court, I would have fined 100x that or more. At least some cities are trying to bring back streetcars, but the damage has been done.

Imagine how much climate savings, and less CO2 in the air we could have in 2024 if GM never conspired to kill off the streetcar.
 
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....again, there was no mandate. The thread title is false.
It's almost as if the NY Post is creating false headlines to rage farm people...
 
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And while we're at it, there never was a Covid vaccination mandate either.
I believe there was in the Fed Gov and military. People lost jobs over it...
 
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It's almost as if the NY Post is creating false headlines to rage farm people...
To be fair, she did back a mandate in 2019 (a bill that didn't pass that would have required all vehicles sold in the US to be electric by 2040), and during her 2020 campaign, she proposed a push to do that by 2035. However, it's been 4 years, and perhaps she's changed her thinking. Personally, I can respect people who are willing to change their positions in the face of new information. I've never really understood the idea of "flip-flopping" as a negative unless you're talking about a core belief.

She still backs increased electrification, but the past few years have shown that forcing 100% electric vehicles by a specific deadline is both unpopular and unrealistic, and she's changed her thinking to reflect that.
 
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I believe there was in the Fed Gov and military. People lost jobs over it...
People lost jobs over it - agreed. But can you PROVE it was a Biden/Harris ‘mandate’? I guess you caught me playing devil’s advocate.
 
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People lost jobs over it - agreed. But can you PROVE it was a Biden/Harris ‘mandate’? I guess you caught me playing devil’s advocate.
I believe Biden was Prez during that time, yes.
 
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We both agree on more public transit. I might have watched a short documentary on how GM was forcing the death of trams/streetcars in certain areas. For that, everyone should boycott GMC and Chevy (unless those are the only affordable cars in one's city). Also, how come GM was only fined $5,000? Now, that would be worth a lot more in 2024 (around $60K), but still, for a large car company, if I was a court, I would have fined 100x that or more. At least some cities are trying to bring back streetcars, but the damage has been done.

Imagine how much climate savings, and less CO2 in the air we could have in 2024 if GM never conspired to kill off the streetcar.
When I was younger, I lived in Boston, and used public transportation constantly. It was pretty cheap, and for the most part, easy to deal with. Well, apart from crowds on occasion, especially the Green Line. But I couldn't have imagined trying to live in the city with a car back then. It's bad enough these days, when I'm in the suburbs.

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When I was younger, I lived in Boston, and used public transportation constantly. It was pretty cheap, and for the most part, easy to deal with. Well, apart from crowds on occasion, especially the Green Line. But I couldn't have imagined trying to live in the city with a car back then. It's bad enough these days, when I'm in the suburbs.

-- A2SG, to say nothing of trying to find a freakin' parking spot!
Ahh, so glad I do not drive (long story, but relates to my executive functioning disorder, have never driven myself). The suburbs also kinda suck, from what I have heard. Public transit is a blessing, and I wish my city had more public transit, though we did install a BRT (bus rapid transit). Boston sounds like a pretty cool city. Did you go to any one of those colleges there? Boston is only a few miles from Cambridge, MA, an area with ivy league schools and great post-secondary education from what I have heard.

Parking can be expensive also in cities, so using a $2.00 or $2.50 fare to ride the bus is much cheaper.
 
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Ahh, so glad I do not drive (long story, but relates to my executive functioning disorder, have never driven myself). The suburbs also kinda suck, from what I have heard. Public transit is a blessing, and I wish my city had more public transit, though we did install a BRT (bus rapid transit). Boston sounds like a pretty cool city. Did you go to any one of those colleges there? Boston is only a few miles from Cambridge, MA, an area with ivy league schools and great post-secondary education from what I have heard.

Parking can be expensive also in cities, so using a $2.00 or $2.50 fare to ride the bus is much cheaper.
Yeah, I grew up in the city for my earlier years, and later on in a suburb, but after high school when I was living on my own, it was in the city. I worked for a few years, then eventually went on to college, Suffolk University. Best time of my life, met my future wife there, working on the school newspaper.

Living in Boston, a car is more of a hindrance than a benefit, I found. Not so much out where I am now, even though the T does run out my way, but it's the end of the line, so it would only benefit going inbound. I do miss public transportation sometimes, not having to deal with parking and, of course, more time to read. I find it difficult to read when driving to work...the red lights never last long enough.

-- A2SG, yeah, yeah, I'll go...just let me finish this chapter first!
 
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An employer had a health requirement for their employees, shocking. No different than "can lift 50 lbs" or "must be drug free".
not the same thing...people lost jobs over it. Must lift over 50 and be drug free are usually BEFORE employment.
 
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Boston is only a few miles from Cambridge, MA...
Um, it's a lot closer than that. Literally, there's just the Charles River separating the two cities.

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Boston is at the bottom of the photo, and across that bridge (The Mass. Ave bridge, once famously measured in Smoots) is Cambridge. That domed building to the right of the bridge is MIT.

-- A2SG, it's a nice city...you should visit sometime....
 
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