Trump’s Muslim ban

[Desk trauma]

Where does it mention immigrants?

Don’t have to, the restriction on the prohibition of freedom of religion is universal.

 

[Adam56]

I've already addressed that in this thread... Do you want me to link the post?

I do tbh. I think I missed it.

 

[Adam56]

Don’t have to, the restriction on the prohibition of freedom of religion is universal.

Nope. It applies to citizens in this country not to how we view immigrants.

 

[comana]

it’s not that simple. You do realize falling birth rates are a world wide problem?

Because it’s a complex issue.

their children may be though because that’s what the Quran teaches.

Why do you presume the second generation to be more fanatical when the trend is to be less so and generally less religious overall in freer countries that are more liberal?

 

[Desk trauma]

Nope. It applies to citizens in this country not to how we view immigrants.

It applied to the laws that the government can make, regardless of their target.

 

[Adam56]

It applied to the laws that the government can make, regardless of their target.

Nope.

 

[Hazelelponi]

I do tbh. I think I missed it.

Trump’s Muslim ban

US immigration should not eliminate anyone because of country of origin or religion. It goes against everything this country is built on.

www.christianforums.com

^^^ a long post, more like a mini article but I made a good case.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Nope. It applies to citizens in this country not to how we view immigrants.

Actually our laws which apply to immigration really are legitimately applied to immigration. We don't discriminate.

It's a bit flawed, but it has to be there.... You have to look at the situation differently from a legal perspective, or simply work on changing some of our immigration laws in a positive manner.

But you can't do any of the above without a full understanding of the situation, so moral or ethical issues are discussed first.

Then you move onto how can we positively change laws or simply our vetting process in a way that still protect Americans without discrimination...

It's the way our laws are here in America. Liberals can have positive input on things when they understand the issues, same as us.

 

[Desk trauma]

Nope.

A stunning rebuttal steeped in deep layers of jurisprudence.

 

[Belk]

Nope. It applies to citizens in this country not to how we view immigrants.

No, it is a limit on government and it is universal to all governing bodies.

 

[Adam56]

Actually our laws which apply to immigration really are legitimately applied to immigration. We don't discriminate.

It's a bit flawed, but it has to be there.... You have to look at the situation differently from a legal perspective, or simply work on changing some of our immigration laws in a positive manner.

But you can't do any of the above without a full understanding of the situation, so moral or ethical issues are discussed first.

Then you move onto how can we positively change laws or simply our vetting process in a way that still protect Americans without discrimination...

It's the way our laws are here in America. Liberals can have positive input on things when they understand the issues, same as us.

Show me the evidence. I don’t believe you.

 

[Adam56]

No, it is a limit on government and it is universal to all governing bodies.

Show me the evidence. I don’t believe you.

 

[DaisyDay]

If Islam was a "religion" they would make perfect neighbors. The fact of the matter is, you can't separate political Islam from the "pray to whatever God you want" portion of Islam.

Christians under the New Covenant believe God himself gave mankind a certain amount of liberty. We either use our liberty in the manner God requires, or we use that same liberty to reap burning coals on our heads.

Islam is a worldview and very political system that stands diametrically opposed to our own. I can see being neighborly with a Muslim majority nation... But you can't have two completely opposing systems operating in the same nation.

Do you really think that Wahhabis and Sufis have the same worldview?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Show me the evidence. I don’t believe you.

Read the establishment clause...

 

[Adam56]

Read the establishment clause...

That says congress. Does congress run immigration?

 

[Hazelelponi]

Do you really think that Wahhabis and Sufis have the same worldview?

Nope.

I mentioned in one of my posts that there are sects associated with Islam that don't have or use the same holy books who would be perfectly fine for immigration and citizenship...

It's really a matter of looking more closely at who is more culturally compatible with our society at large.

We are just a far too liberal society not to be protecting that...

 

[Hazelelponi]

That says congress. Does congress run immigration?

That's not Congress, that's our Constitution... All social law flows from the constitution. You really want to make sure that is upheld. It's important.

 

[Lukaris]

Such a premise must be illegal. It also seems to be based on what has become a leftist infested false interpretation of a travel restriction that had been used by the Trump administration.

https://www.factcheck.org/2018/06/trumps-travel-ban-doesnt-affect-all-muslims/

 

[Desk trauma]

@Adam56

If Islam is the threat you describe it as why not push for amendment 28 that goes something like:

Amendment one and article VI does not include Islam.

 

[Desk trauma]

That says congress. Does congress run immigration?

Yes, who were you thinking made laws about immigration when that’s part of federal powers?