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First Seal (2nd seal Rev 6:3)

Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts (Rev 4:6 {Ezek 1:5-28}) saying, Come and see. Ezek 14:21 against Jerusalem

Rev 6:1 And I (John) saw when the Lamb (tittle of Jesus) opened (authoritative control) (1st) one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, (1st) one of the four beasts (Seraphim) saying (authoritative participation), come and see (Rev 6:3,5,7 Horses Ezek 14:21 against Jerusalem Ezek 28:15-18 Gap)

Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues.

Rev 6:1 And I (John) saw when the Lamb (tittle of Jesus) opened (Authoritative control) (1st) one of the seals,

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Joh 1:29 The next day John sees Jesus coming unto him, and says, Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world.

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Rev 7:17 For the Lamb which is amid the throne shall feed them and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Rev 6:1 and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, (1st) one of the four beasts (Seraphim) saying (authoritative participation), come and see Rev 6:3,5, 7.

Rev 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice amid the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

The White Horse (1st division of a Four-Part Seal War)

Rev 6:2 And I saw and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Rev 6:2 And I (John), and behold a white horse (peace): and he (man of sin) that sat (Established {restricted authority Rev 10:1}) on him had a bow *(homo rainbow participation Dan 11:37, 8:23); (Gen 9:13-16 Bow Rev 4:3 God's Rainbow)

Power is given to the man of sin by Lucifer Rev 13:2 seat, power, and great authority.

And I (John), and behold a white horse (peace): and he (man of sin (2Kings 2:23,24 Isa 59:53-57 Rev 13:1,2 {Rev 6:2 & 8, Rev 11:3-8} [Rev 2:9,13, 24]) that sat (Established {restricted authority Rev 10:1}) on him had a bow (homo rainbow participation Dan 11:37, 8:23);

*Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea (man of sin), and his left foot on the earth (false prophet),

Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. Rev 13:1,2 Rev 12:13-17

Rev 6:and a crown (authority) was given (by Lucifer) unto him (man of sin): and he (man of sin) went forth conquering (peacefully overcome), and to conquer (peacefully control). Rev 13:1,2 Rev 12:13-17

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. Rev 12:14 And to the woman (6th Trumpet Kingdom Saints) were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (2nd half of Tribulation), from the face of the serpent. Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water (army) as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (Tribulation Saints), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
 

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What is a seal?
A seal is either an aquatic animal which lives in freezing environments, or a wax stamp that holds paper together. Pretty cool, isn't it? The seal could be melted at low temperatures, or broken by pulling at the paper, or using a tool such as a letter opener to open the seal.

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In the Book of Revelation, John sees Jesus sitting on His thrown with a scroll in his hand, which includes 7 seals. In ancient times, people used scrolls to communicate much like we use the mail today. Each scroll used a seal to fasten the scroll to keep it from unrolling. The seal was melted wax and when the wax began to cool, one would press their unique symbol of identity into the seal and when it dried they would give it to a carrier who would deliver it. The recipient of the seal would know right away whom it was from because of the seal symbol. In Revelation, the scroll Jesus held had seven seals. With the opening of each seal, one or more events would happen on the earth as prophesized into the future (per Jesus' prophesy of the end times before He returns in Matthew 24) during the last 7 years that are called the Tribulation period prophesized by Daniel the prophet in the Book of Daniel 9:24-27.
 
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In the Book of Revelation, John sees Jesus sitting on His thrown with a scroll in his hand, which includes 7 seals. In ancient times, people used scrolls to communicate much like we use the mail today. Each scroll used a seal to fasten the scroll to keep it from unrolling. The seal was melted wax and when the wax began to cool, one would press their unique symbol of identity into the seal and when it dried they would give it to a carrier who would deliver it. The recipient of the seal would know right away whom it was from because of the seal symbol. In Revelation, the scroll Jesus held had seven seals. With the opening of each seal, one or more events would happen on the earth as prophesized into the future (per Jesus' prophesy of the end times before He returns in Matthew 24) during the last 7 years that are called the Tribulation period prophesized by Daniel the prophet in the Book of Daniel 9:24-27.
Welcome to the forum, Lori.

The last 7 years of Daniel 9:27 are not all tribulation, as for most of the first half the world will be saying "peace and safety".(1Thessalonians5:3)

So I would not call the 7 years "the Tribulation period", but the 70th week of Daniel 9, instead.

Calling the 7 years the tribulation period stems from proponents of the pre-trib, mid-trib, poast-trib, rapture timing views that got started many years ago.

But what they are actually inferring is the tribulation period is the 70th week of Daniel 9.

From this link of a pre-trib site...

At that site, they actually clarify "per-tribulation rapture" as inferring the "pre-70th week of Daniel". I copied and pasted this from their site, under a heading...

Why the Pre-Trib Research Center?​


"The Pre-Trib Research Center (PTRC) is committed to the study, proclamation, teaching, and defense of the pre-tribulation rapture (pre-70th week of Daniel) and related end-time prophecy."
 
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Understand. I agree that the actual time period is called Daniel's 70th week; however, these days many people understand it to be called the Tribulation period. When in actuality Jesus only refers to the first part of that time as the great tribulation (Matthew 24:21,29), before He pours out His wrath.
 
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First Seal (2nd seal Rev 6:3)

Rev 6:1 And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts (Rev 4:6 {Ezek 1:5-28}) saying, Come and see. Ezek 14:21 against Jerusalem

Rev 6:1 And I (John) saw when the Lamb (tittle of Jesus) opened (authoritative control) (1st) one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, (1st) one of the four beasts (Seraphim) saying (authoritative participation), come and see (Rev 6:3,5,7 Horses Ezek 14:21 against Jerusalem Ezek 28:15-18 Gap)

Mat 10:17 But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues.

Rev 6:1 And I (John) saw when the Lamb (tittle of Jesus) opened (Authoritative control) (1st) one of the seals,

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Joh 1:29 The next day John sees Jesus coming unto him, and says, Behold the Lamb of God, which takes away the sin of the world.

Rev 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

Rev 7:17 For the Lamb which is amid the throne shall feed them and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

Rev 6:1 and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, (1st) one of the four beasts (Seraphim) saying (authoritative participation), come and see Rev 6:3,5, 7.

Rev 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.

Rev 6:6 And I heard a voice amid the four beasts say, A measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

6:7 And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.

The White Horse (1st division of a Four-Part Seal War)

Rev 6:2 And I saw and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Rev 6:2 And I (John), and behold a white horse (peace): and he (man of sin) that sat (Established {restricted authority Rev 10:1}) on him had a bow *(homo rainbow participation Dan 11:37, 8:23); (Gen 9:13-16 Bow Rev 4:3 God's Rainbow)

Power is given to the man of sin by Lucifer Rev 13:2 seat, power, and great authority.

And I (John), and behold a white horse (peace): and he (man of sin (2Kings 2:23,24 Isa 59:53-57 Rev 13:1,2 {Rev 6:2 & 8, Rev 11:3-8} [Rev 2:9,13, 24]) that sat (Established {restricted authority Rev 10:1}) on him had a bow (homo rainbow participation Dan 11:37, 8:23);

*Rev 10:1 And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: Rev 10:2 And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea (man of sin), and his left foot on the earth (false prophet),

Dan 11:37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Dan 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up. Rev 13:1,2 Rev 12:13-17

Rev 6:and a crown (authority) was given (by Lucifer) unto him (man of sin): and he (man of sin) went forth conquering (peacefully overcome), and to conquer (peacefully control). Rev 13:1,2 Rev 12:13-17

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. Rev 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. Rev 12:14 And to the woman (6th Trumpet Kingdom Saints) were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time (2nd half of Tribulation), from the face of the serpent. Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water (army) as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (Tribulation Saints), which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The Federations being brought to Judgment.

As the Lord removes the seals on the scroll we see the four different confederacies that are vying for world domination. Each are under a `strong delusion,` because they would not receive the truth.

1.British Empire - Conquering.

`Now I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard one of the four living creatures saying with a voice like thunder,
“Come and see,” And I looked and behold a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.` (Rev. 6 :1 & 2)

The British Empire was the first Great power in recent times. It has a Monarch, symbolised by the `crown,` and went forth conquering and to conquer. Eventually it had control of over a quarter of the world. Even though it has now become a Commonwealth of nations it is still a pre-dominant power of the world.

The prophet Daniel also was given a vision of this super power. He saw it as a `beast,` a lion with eagles wings. Daniel was told that the beast was a kingdom in the time when judgments would come upon the world.

The symbol of the `Lion` matches Britain`s emblem, while the `Eagle` is for America, which eventually separated, (broke off) from the Lion Federation. Today these powers still work together. (Dan. 7: 4)


2.The Soviet Union - War.

`When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, ”Come and see,” and another horse, fiery red, went out.
And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.` (Rev. 6: 3 & 4)

The next great Federation that came to power was the Soviet Union, after WW1. This confederacy has `a great sword,` `that people should kill one another.` It took in nation after nation behind the `iron curtain,` and killed over 40 million in its gulags, work camps.

Then towards the end of last century this great power broke up into Independent nations around Russia. However they are still under the Communist rule and have the same philosophy.

The Prophet Daniel was shown this great power as a ferocious bear devouring others. Then the prophet Ezekiel saw it as a great Federation of nations following the leader, Russia. (Dan. 7: 5, Ez. 38: 1 - 7)

They will try and annihilate Israel, God`s people, however God will step in and wipe out most of their armies. (Ex. 39: 1 - 6)
 
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Understand. I agree that the actual time period is called Daniel's 70th week; however, these days many people understand it to be called the Tribulation period. When in actuality Jesus only refers to the first part of that time as the great tribulation (Matthew 24:21,29), before He pours out His wrath.

The great tribulation will begin when the abomination of desolation is "set up", Daniel 12:11.

The 1290 days in Daniel 12:11 and the 1335 days in Daniel 12:12 fit like this..... During the 45 days in blue, the kings of the earth will gather their armies at Armageddon to prepare to make war on Jesus.



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Hi Marilyn, The 7th angel sounding introduces the 3rd woe to the inhabiters of the earth. The third woe is not a great earthquake (I assume you are referring to the great earthquake in Revelation 11:13, which actually takes place before the seventh angel sounds in Revelation 11:15).

That third woe turns out to be Satan cast down to earth having but a time, times, half times left. Revelation 12:12-12:14.

The seventh angel, who was given a trumpet, and is standing before God's throne in heaven - will sound. That will signal Michael to take his angels and cast Satan and his angels down to earth from the second heaven in Revelation 12:7-9.

So severe will be Satan's wrath that Revelation 12:12, says.... and of the sea

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Here is a schematic of how the time, times, half time of the third woe includes the time periods of the first and second woes. So, you may want to alter your chart slightly.



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Hi Marilyn, The 7th angel sounding introduces the 3rd woe to the inhabiters of the earth. The third woe is not a great earthquake (I assume you are referring to the great earthquake in Revelation 11:13, which actually takes place before the seventh angel sounds in Revelation 11:15).

That third woe turns out to be Satan cast down to earth having but a time, times, half times left. Revelation 12:12-12:14.

The seventh angel, who was given a trumpet, and is standing before God's throne in heaven - will sound. That will signal Michael to take his angels and cast Satan and his angels down to earth from the second heaven in Revelation 12:7-9.

So severe will be Satan's wrath that Revelation 12:12, says.... and of the sea

Revelation 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Here is a schematic of how the time, times, half time of the third woe includes the time periods of the first and second woes. So, you may want to alter your chart slightly.
Hi Douggg,

The earthquake in Rev. 11: 13 is not the great one of Rev. 16: 18 when all the cities fell and the islands and mountains were not found. That great earthquake is the 3rd woe just before the Lord comes to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious.

As to Satan`s fall from the lower heavens that is in the middle of the trib. Note the woman, Israel goes off to the wilderness for 3 1/2 years. (Rev. 12: 12 - 14)
 
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The earthquake in Rev. 11: 13 is not the great one of Rev. 16: 18 when all the cities fell and the islands and mountains were not found. That great earthquake is the 3rd woe just before the Lord comes to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon the rebellious.
Hi Marilyn, Thanks for clarifying. Where in the text are you getting (1) that the global earthquake in Revelation 16:18 is called a woe to the inhabiters of the earth ? (2) Also, the third woe is to be announced by the seventh angel who was given a trumpet. The earthquake in Revelation 16:18 takes place when the seventh vial of God's wrath is poured out - not trumpet sounding.

As to Satan`s fall from the lower heavens that is in the middle of the trib. Note the woman, Israel goes off to the wilderness for 3 1/2 years. (Rev. 12: 12 - 14)
Yes, in the middle of the 7 years (I would not call the 7 years - the "trib" though). Satan cast down to earth is said to be... "woe to the inhabiters of the earth and sea. The key word to look for is "woe", as in Revelation 8:13, it is said....

Revelation 8:13 And I beheld, and heard an angel flying through the midst of heaven, saying with a loud voice, Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels, which are yet to sound!
 
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Guys, does anyone think that Netanyahu is the AC? He does not seem to be the AC, but some people on the far-left, and even this guy on the Baptist News website do not like him. Personally, I do not think that the AC has risen to power yet, and he might have not been born yet, or is still a young man in 2024.
 
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Guys, does anyone think that Netanyahu is the AC? He does not seem to be the AC, but some people on the far-left, and even this guy on the Baptist News website do not like him. Personally, I do not think that the AC has risen to power yet, and he might have not been born yet, or is still a young man in 2024.
No, I don't think Netanyahu is the Antichrist. The person who eventually becomes the Antichrist must first become the little horn person who will be over ten leaders of the end times Roman Empire. i.e. he must be affiliated with the EU in some fashion over a group of ten EU leaders.

That's what to look for. He will be a Jew, but he is not Netanyahu. Netanyahu is favorable toward Christians, btw.
 
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Rev 6:2 And I (John), and behold a white horse (peace): and he (man of sin) that sat (Established {restricted authority Rev 10:1}) on him had a bow *(homo rainbow participation Dan 11:37, 8:23); (Gen 9:13-16 Bow Rev 4:3 God's Rainbow)
The intepretation above is a false interpretation of the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD, GOD Himself, self-executing, understand?

The MAN of sin-Genesis 3:1, son of perdition, the old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, NOW the red Dragon, having 7 heads, 10 horns and a TAIL-Revelation 12:3-4, still walking up and down here among GOD's people-Job 1:7, yeah, Satan doesn't ride on the white horse as you interpreted it. NEVER, but NEVER.

Furthermore, the BOW used by the white horse rider -Revelation 6:2- is LINKED to one of whom it is prophesied in the Psalms 45:5, and he is not the Devil according to your conjectures and speculations, dead eye.
 
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No, I don't think Netanyahu is the Antichrist. The person who eventually becomes the Antichrist must first become the little horn person who will be over ten leaders of the end times Roman Empire. i.e. he must be affiliated with the EU in some fashion over a group of ten EU leaders.

That's what to look for. He will be a Jew, but he is not Netanyahu. Netanyahu is favorable toward Christians, btw.
Hey, at least we both agree Netanyahu is not the AC. We will have to see who the AC will be, though the rapture could happen before we see the AC in power.
 
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