Let's look at the people that Kamala's VP pick surrounds himself with

[Hammster]

Desperate not to lose anymore ground. Desperate to hold voters.

Yeah, that must be it.

 

[civilwarbuff]

There is no non-Christian area on Christian Forums.

Touche'

 

[civilwarbuff]

Unfortunately there is a rule here against speaking your honest opinion or offending Christians, so I can't properly answer this.

Sure you can, you just don't have anything worth saying so it is easier to slight the forum instead.

 

[KCfromNC]

Like Christians?

Some of them, anyway.

 

[NxNW]

Considering that Trump is now using Epstein's plane, the OP is ironic.

 

[Hammster]

Considering that Trump is now using Epstein's plane, the OP is ironic.

Why?

 

[stevevw]

Let's look at the people that Kamala's VP pick surrounds himself with

Ladies and gentlemen (and I do mean ladies and gentlemen), did you know that marrying your college sweetheart, settling down in Ohio, and having three kids is weird? That's what I keep hearing about JD Vance.

notthebee.com

Oh my. But I’m sure there are Christians who won’t find fault with any of this.

This is what needs to be the strategy of the Republicans. To get out there as much as possible and make people aware of exactly what Harris and Waltz and by extention the Left stand for. Rather than all the PC and popularist talk Harris and Waltz are engaging in now. But the substance of their policies, what do they stand for, what principles.

Any snap shot of their own words as shown in the link on a large billboard or on TV ads will suffice. They cut to the chase and expose the lies and what they truely stand for. Which is a far Leftist position on just about every important issue. Then show the damage thats caused because its there for people to see. We live with it everyday.

This is what happens when a party is ideologically deluded by identity rather than reality. All decisions are made through the prism of Woke PC because it sounds good and is appealing on the surface. But the thinking and choices have a way of coming back to reality and biting back.

From what I understand Shapiro seemed to be the logical choice as VP. But he represents a controversial issue on Isreal. So in comes Waltz and its no coincident that he also has radical leftist ideas. The same happened with Harris when Biden made his decision based on DEI and not merit.

So of course when you are blinded by ideological over reach your going to make the wrong choices and not the best and most rational ones. Then when the truth comes out as with Biden and as is happening with Harris theres a flurry to coverup and turn those realities into not really happening.

The the Left is running around trying to recreate history and reality itself. Harris is not the border zcar and shes a moderate, so is Waltz. Flip flopping on their own policies and words they spoke in the recent past like chameleons lol.

So all you have to do is just use their own words and positions on key issues. Its plain and simple and you don't need anything else.

 

[Bradskii]

This is what happens when a party is ideologically deluded by identity rather than reality.

Really? I mean, that's a road you are going to choose?

 

[stevevw]

Really? I mean, that's a road you are going to choose?

Why it exactly describes the current situation for the Left.

 

[Bradskii]

Why it exactly describes the current situation for the Left.

And you don't see the irony of a Republican commenting on the Democrats using a phrase such as 'a party(which) is ideologically deluded by identity rather than reality.'

I just read that out to my wife and asked her to whom did it refer. I didn't even specific which country it might reference. Her immediate response? 'Trump'.

 

[stevevw]

And you don't see the irony of a Republican commenting on the Democrats using a phrase such as 'a party(which) is ideologically deluded by identity rather than reality.'

I just read that out to my wife and asked her to whom did it refer. I didn't even specific which country it might reference. Her immediate response? 'Trump'.

Well of course she is going to say that. Not because it may represent the truth or not but because it opposes the Lefts ideology. If someone said some of the Lefts ideas people would immediately say Biden/Harris. It just shows an ideological difference in outlook.

When you said "is that the road you want to travel on" you were also making a statement about truth. When your wife and yourself then used Trump as the identifier like other Dems have done like DE Niro and Hillary with anyone who votes for Trump is a deplorable they are claiming the truth and moral high ground. That anyone associated with Trump does not hold truth and are on the wrong even dangerous.

Thats identity politics in itself in that your equating all the real concerns and realities of the many different people from across all sectors of society, people who see the Lefts policies as causing a lot of the problems they are experiencing and that their beliefs and views are just unfounded. They are on the evil Trump road thus stereotyping them.

We can seperate ideology from truth just by understanding exactly what the person or party stands for. Its in their own words and more importantly their own actions or inactions that count. For example the Dems own words said that Biden was sharpe, the reality said he wasn't. Yet the Left including Harris who was closest and knew better gas light everyone.

The Dems own polling and opinion was that Harris was not the best candidate for VP let alone presidency. That she was not the border zcar, yet in reality she was. That she says shes a moderate but reality shows shes a far Leftist. We can check, reality check. Harris's own words makes her position far left. Thats truth and reality without the identity politics.

We can go further and find all the radical statements they have made, clear extreme positions like defunding the police and entire cities that have gone down the drain thanks to radical DEI and Trans ideology. These are facts and red flags that expose the truth and reality that the Left is ideologically deluded.

Heck if the Olympic committee and the UN can become ideologically deluded so can a political party. So can all political parties.

 

[Bradskii]

Well of course she is going to say that. Not because it may represent the truth or not but because it opposes the Lefts ideology. If someone said some of the Lefts ideas people would immediately say Biden/Harris. It just shows an ideological difference in outlook.

You've apparently missed the point. Suggest that a party is 'ideologically deluded by identity rather than reality' and ask any disinterested person which party is that likely to be and the automatic answer, one that requires not a moments thought, one that springs to mind immediately, is the current GOP. It is defined as such. To the point where there is a forum rule that does not allow it to be described in a way that most people think of it.

It's a one man show. It's not a leader of the Republican Party. It's someone who controls the majority of the Republican party. The inane suggestion that the Democratic party is a party ruled by identity is irony that is beyond measure.

At least I'm outside the bubble. Yeah, if Trump gets elected then I will be affected. But I can, to a certain extent step outside that bubble and look into it. And see two parties. One of which has a large flashing neon sign lighting it up. And that sign is TRUMP. And he's about as far from reality as is possible for a candidate to be. No-one who votes for him will be voting for the Republican Party.

 

[stevevw]

You've apparently missed the point. Suggest that a party is 'ideologically deluded by identity rather than reality' and ask any disinterested person which party is that likely to be and the automatic answer, one that requires not a moments thought, one that springs to mind immediately, is the current GOP. It is defined as such. To the point where there is a forum rule that does not allow it to be described in a way that most people think of it.
It's a one man show. It's not a leader of the Republican Party. It's someone who controls the majority of the Republican party. The inane suggestion that the Democratic party is a party ruled by identity is irony that is beyond measure.

Thats interesting because that is exactly what the Right would say about the Democratic Left. Which supports what I said that of course each side is going to be ideologically opposite and therefore of course they each will see the opposing ideas as damaging whether its called identity politics, PC or something else.

Identity politics is more than the single persons beliefs but a party wide ideological position. So for the Left its basically Woke, DEI and PC. Everything becomes about a persons race, sex, gender or other identities above equal opportunity and merit. So its an entire party wide ideology.

So though Trump is an unusual candidate in that he is coming from business and the streets and not a career polititian its going to be more about him. But the important thing is that he is not standing on his personal beliefs or principles or any ideology that is being pushed party wide but as he often says its to "make the US great again".

That means restoring the already long established and acknowledged truths and principles of the Repulicans and the US nation that have been lost. Thats much bigger than Trump and the thing is he is big enough to acknowledge that. He is only aligning with already core REpulican and Conservative values. That is why the people including minorities on struggle street relate to him because he is from the streets and understands the common person.

But the Left seems willing to even abandon their long held principles and values for identity popular politics. We all know Harris was not the best candidate. The Dems knew that. But a bunch of elites decided what was best and side stepped the democratic process for their identity pick. They use lawfare to control our institutions to manipulate the outcomes. They are willing to sell their political souls and democratic hearts for power.

At least I'm outside the bubble. Yeah, if Trump gets elected then I will be affected. But I can, to a certain extent step outside that bubble and look into it. And see two parties. One of which has a large flashing neon sign lighting it up. And that sign is TRUMP. And he's about as far from reality as is possible for a candidate to be. No-one who votes for him will be voting for the Republican Party.

Thats silly. Right now all the neon signs are about Harris, the Leftist media recreating (basically gaslighting the public) about the new Karmala. They all work in synch, when Harris says we need joy suddenly the word 'Joy' is lit up on all the media. When Waltz says the right is 'Weird' suddenly all the Leftist media follow like well trained dogs.

All part of the machine gaslighting the public with new narratives (actually lies). They were even caught manipulating headlines in the Woke media to create a false narrative about Harris and Biden.

And I've got to hand it to the Left its sort of working at the moment. They are managing to fool a fair few. So long as they can avoid Harris actually speaking unscripted about her actual beliefs and policies they and the media can continue the charade of pushing PC and flowery speak and avoid the substance.

But then one wonders why. What is it exactly they are falling for. It can't be her policies or actual beliefs and principles on the pressing issues because she hasn't given any for 6 weeks. THis seems strange for a presendential nominee. There wasn't even a internal process to find out the policies and beliefs of democrats where we could find out who was best. THis all seems very anti democratic for a party whose core value is democracy.

It must be her giggly personality. Whatever it seems strange that some would even support her when they don't even know what she actually stands for yet. Its like an open ticket which seems a bit worrying. Perhaps an insight into the extent of the ideological capture over many on the Left at the moment.

 

[Bradskii]

But the important thing is that he is not standing on his personal beliefs or principles or any ideology...

If you can't see that he's not in it in any way to help the country then I don't know what to say. It's all about him. I've followed US politics since JFK. That's 12 presidents. Some good, some not so good. Some great in their own way. But I felt that all of them believed that what they were doing was for the good of the country. Except one.

 

[Hammster]

If you can't see that he's not in it in any way to help the country then I don't know what to say. It's all about him. I've followed US politics since JFK. That's 12 presidents. Some good, some not so good. Some great in their own way. But I felt that all of them believed that what they were doing was for the good of the country. Except one.

Those lower taxes, lower inflation, lower gas prices, etc were just horrible.

 

[Bradskii]

Those lower taxes, lower inflation, lower gas prices, etc were just horrible.

Lower taxes? From here: Who Benefited Most From the Trump Tax Cuts? – Policygenius

'On the whole, low-income families appear to have received the least savings, while high-income families saved the most. Middle-class families saw mixed results. The biggest winners from Trump’s tax cuts were probably businesses. Between 2017 and 2018, corporations paid 22.4% less income tax.

I don't think you know enough about why gas prices fluctuate to include them. The president has very little control over the global price of a barrel of oil. And inflation? Gee, I wonder what caused an increase? Wasn't there a bug going around and some guy in Russia throwing his weight around? I think it was in the papers.

 

[Hammster]

Lower taxes? From here: Who Benefited Most From the Trump Tax Cuts? – Policygenius

'On the whole, low-income families appear to have received the least savings, while high-income families saved the most. Middle-class families saw mixed results. The biggest winners from Trump’s tax cuts were probably businesses. Between 2017 and 2018, corporations paid 22.4% less income tax.

I don't think you know enough about why gas prices fluctuate to include them. The president has very little control over the global price of a barrel of oil. And inflation? Gee, I wonder what caused an increase? Wasn't there a bug going around and some guy in Russia throwing his weight around? I think it was in the papers.

Yes, more people got to keep money that they earned. Thats just horrible. Lower corporate taxes brought back jobs that Obama said were never coming back. Again, horrible. More freedoms were given to oil companies to drill. That put pressure on OPEC to lower their prices because they understand how competition works. Once again, terrible terrible things.

 

[Bradskii]

Yes, more people got to keep money that they earned.

Except those that needed it most...

Lower corporate taxes...

...and gave it to those who needed it least. Into the hands of shareholders. Or maybe it increased GDP and would pay for itself? But no: Trump-Era Corporate Tax Cuts Boosted Investment, but Did Not Pay for Themselves: Analysis

'The tax cuts did not, however, come anywhere close to paying for themselves, as their Republican proponents in Congress and the Trump administration insisted they would, and instead are costing the federal government more than $100 billion per year in lost revenues.'

So the companies are better off. But the country isn't. Sound like a good deal to you?

More freedoms were given to oil companies to drill. That put pressure on OPEC to lower their prices because they understand how competition works.

Yet the oil companies cut back on drilling: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/trump-and-boeberts-oil-spin/

'The decline in domestic crude oil production came “as result of a decline in drilling activity related to low oil prices,” according to an EIA report in January. In other words, global forces related to the pandemic — not federal policy from the U.S. — was expected to cause the shift in petroleum imports and exports.'

And...

'The U.S. has imported less oil from the Persian Gulf region under Biden than under Trump.'

And...

'“But the real issue here is way beyond anything either administration did – it’s about global oil prices,” Gross said. “Presidents can’t do much to control those, they are set in the global marketplace...'

If there was no pressure on them to reduce drilling then how much extra would they produce? I'm glad you asked:

'To put that in perspective, the U.S. produced about 11.2 million barrels of crude oil per day in May. So, the effect of the moratorium — which a federal judge suspended in June, anyway — was forecast to result in a less than 1% reduction in U.S. oil production next year'.

So complete freedom to produce what they could would result in maybe an extra 1%. Well, gee. D'you think that would have affected global prices? Seriously?

You're fond of posting opinions - and I'll repeat that - opinions, on oil and gas prices yet you present zero evidence for your claims and there is no evidence that you understand how the oil business works. So if you want to refute anything I've just posted, then bring some facts to the table.

 

[Bradskii]

More freedoms were given to oil companies to drill.

And I'll put this in a separate post so you don't miss it: Biden isn’t advertising America’s record oil boom

'For the last six years, America has outstripped Russia, Saudi Arabia, and other OPEC countries in crude oil production. And it has picked up the pace under Biden, who had approved more permits for oil and gas drilling on public lands by last October than former President Donald Trump had by the same point in his presidency.'

 

[stevevw]

If you can't see that he's not in it in any way to help the country then I don't know what to say. It's all about him. I've followed US politics since JFK. That's 12 presidents. Some good, some not so good. Some great in their own way. But I felt that all of them believed that what they were doing was for the good of the country. Except one.

Thats strange because the reality, what actually happened when Trump was president was nothing like the Left claims about him that he would destroy democracy, create wars and be a dictator. This is the false narrative they have been pushing for years. In fact its got to a point with the Left and its media that its obsessive. Trump is obsessed over and continually talked about well beyond whats warranted.

As far as I understand the US was better off under Trumps presidency. International relations were better off, immigration was more under control and the economy was pretty good. People keep making these claims but the reality is completely different.

But as I pointed out earlier you say things like "If you can't see that he's not in it in any way to help the country then I don't know what to say" is again demeaning more than half the voters who think he doing it for the country. So your making out that the majority are dumb, deluded and can't see the truth.

The truth according to a political party that has been so obsessed with Trump to the point of derangement that I don't think they even know the truth. They just become triggered and start ranting about Trump when most of it is just not the case. And in fact some of what they accuse Trump of doing and being the Left themselves are doing. The pot calling the kettle black lol.

Theres no consideration that 'hey maybe the majority of people have good reasons to believe in Trump and they are not stupid afterall'. Thats the problem you think Trump supporters have no valid reasons to support Trump. They must be either ignorant, radicalised or plain dumb.

Its this dismissive attitude without coherent reasons that is turning people to Trump by offending the majority of people as not having any good reason to vote for Trump. Like they are not Woke enough and need to get with the program.