UK will extradite Americans for social media posts

[AlexB23]

Again, that does not attack a protected class or incite violence.

Good, so at least for now, the UK laws are fair. Hopefully, the laws stay that way.

 

[AlexB23]

That is not the law. The UK is not doing that. Feel free to describe someone or an event as woke.

Good, just making sure.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Again, at some point we have to say if it walks and talks like a duck, it’s likely a duck.

Right.

Generally I'd agree....however, in the interest of being generous with my fellow man....I choose whatever is the least offensive possible interpretation so as to extend the benefit of doubt.

The fact it thinks it’s an eagle is fun trivia, but doesn’t change that it is a duck.

Well it wasn't as obvious as a racial slur...but it was a broad based generalization about an entire race.

Still, I don't think he's racist.

 

[NBB]

Anyway having traditional values, is being called 'far right' now, so and 'extemist' i'm pretty sure.
'Far right' now doesn't mean anything they just slap that term to anything that doesn't follow their ideas.

 

[Ana the Ist]

I’m wildly in love with Tom Clancy books and do a lot of reading about related topics while seeing how much in them is fact or fiction.

Ok...

Without me reviewing the actual case mentioned earlier in the thread, I've got at least 2 safe assumptions....

1. The person driving in the UK that killed someone by accident had diplomatic immunity, as it both allowed their escape to the US, and seems to have prevented their extradition.

2. This diplomatic immunity was genuinely approved for this person prior to their travel to the UK. It wasn't granted after the accident or granted improperly....otherwise it would have been revoked and they would be extradited.


Does that make sense?

 

[Goonie]

How so..??? You can't even openly support a certain political affiliation in your country without being chastised or imprisoned.

...Just like in Russia but in mirror image (reverse).

Nonsense it was only a decade or so ago when the BNP held a seat in the EU parliament and the natural successor Reform took 14% this election.

 

[Hans Blaster]

This is a rather bold statement .... can they do this? What do you think about this?

UK police commissioner threatens to extradite and jail US citizens over social media posts: 'We will come after you' | Fox News Video

The apparent video wouldn't play, but I think this police dude has his verbs wrong. "extradite" is what nations/states do when another jurisdiction makes are request for someone to be transferred for trial. That whole business with Julian Assange was because the US wanted the UK to extradite him here for trial.

Grammar correction for the UK PC aside..


Good luck with that, buddy.

The US, like most countries, doesn't usually extradite for things that aren't crimes in their countries. It takes a lot for pure speech to become a crime in the US.

So go ahead and charge anyone you'd like Mr. UK PC, but you can't just "come after you".

 

[Hans Blaster]

It was the US that declared war in 1812, and they lost, or at least drew with the white house burned down.

I want to be pedantic again...

There was no "White House" in 1814. The British invaders did burn many things in Washington including the Capitol and the Executive Mansion (President's House). The latter was painted white to cover up the fire damage and later was known as the White House. Cheers.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Nonsense it was only a decade or so ago when the BNP held a seat in the EU parliament and the natural successor Reform took 14% this election.

Would I be able to say, for example, that the prophet Muhammad was a mentally ill, pedophilic, illiterate warlord and tyrant?

 

[eleos1954]

The apparent video wouldn't play, but I think this police dude has his verbs wrong. "extradite" is what nations/states do when another jurisdiction makes are request for someone to be transferred for trial. That whole business with Julian Assange was because the US wanted the UK to extradite him here for trial.

Grammar correction for the UK PC aside..


Good luck with that, buddy.

The US, like most countries, doesn't usually extradite for things that aren't crimes in their countries. It takes a lot for pure speech to become a crime in the US.

So go ahead and charge anyone you'd like Mr. UK PC, but you can't just "come after you".

Well ... Im not so sure about that .... I mean the term "hate speech". ... considered a crime in both the UK and the US. Say if the "hate speech" used is towards the UK and not towards the US and the UK wanted to extradite the person for that would the US comply? or ... would the US prosecute on the US side? or possibly be prosecuted by both?

I don't dismiss it as a possibility ... we are living in strange times.

It takes a lot for pure speech to become a crime in the US.

Getting more narrow all the time seems like.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Ok...

Without me reviewing the actual case mentioned earlier in the thread, I've got at least 2 safe assumptions....

1. The person driving in the UK that killed someone by accident had diplomatic immunity, as it both allowed their escape to the US, and seems to have prevented their extradition.

2. This diplomatic immunity was genuinely approved for this person prior to their travel to the UK. It wasn't granted after the accident or granted improperly....otherwise it would have been revoked and they would be extradited.


Does that make sense?

It’s more:

3. She said she would cooperate and not leave the country, she was told to return to the US by an unknown agent of the US, the U.K. was told to submit any objections they had in writing, which they did 2 days later to find they had left the day before. Then the US declined the request to waive and extradite on the basis that it was negligence and not malice, but ultimately she appeared virtually, was charged, pled guilty, sentenced, and (it is assumed) not allowed back.

Her case is a tricky one, though, because it’s a spouse there is the absence of malice. If she had intentionally run somebody over or there was a contributing factor that overrides malice (like intoxication), it is profoundly likely she would have not been told to go home. Either way, she was held accountable.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Just imagine how offended the Russians must feel.

They are too busy fighting off an invading army.

Invasions of the US since the British invasion of 1812: None
Invasions of Russia since 1812: France (1815), France, UK, Ottoman Empire (1854), Allied intervention in Russian Civil War (1918), Poland (1919), Germany (1941), Finland (1941), Ukraine (2024)

 

[Goonie]

The UK govt is not communist, now is it on the big govt side compared to small govt that is a different debate.

 

[Robban]

This is a rather bold statement .... can they do this? What do you think about this?

UK police commissioner threatens to extradite and jail US citizens over social media posts: 'We will come after you' | Fox News Video

Well ... Im not so sure about that .... I mean the term "hate speech". ... considered a crime in both the UK and the US. Say if the "hate speech" used is towards the UK and not towards the US and the UK wanted to extradite the person for that would the US comply? or ... would the US prosecute on the US side? or possibly be prosecuted by both?

I don't dismiss it as a possibility ... we are living in strange times.


Getting more narrow all the time seems like.

Judaism is not so generous concerning "Free speech", there are about six things one should remind oneself of each day.

One is "Remember what God did to Miriam."

Besides one should avoid gossip and slander.

So it is more for the good.

Would reckon.

 

[George95]

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[FreeinChrist]

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[Gregory Thompson]

This is a rather bold statement .... can they do this? What do you think about this?

UK police commissioner threatens to extradite and jail US citizens over social media posts: 'We will come after you' | Fox News Video

Jurisdictional issues, wonder what he was smoking.

UK cops can't do anything to people in other countries.

 

[eleos1954]

Jurisdictional issues, wonder what he was smoking.

UK cops can't do anything to people in other countries.

You wouldn't think so ... governments could .... all governments hate the fact that people are talking about things online .... they are all against free speech ... what they want is controlled speech (controlled by them) ... hard to say where all this goes???

 

[Gregory Thompson]

You wouldn't think so ... governments could .... all governments hate the fact that people are talking about things online .... they are all against free speech ... what they want is controlled speech (controlled by them) ... hard to say where all this goes???

Well, it's not in control of an empire that spans 1 quarter of the world anymore and just a small island so ..