Tim Walz Signed Bill Making Minnesota a Sanctuary State for Child Sex-Changes

[Vambram]

Not speaking out about it is not supporting it, btw. So if you are referring to something else, disregard the below.

We are to share the good news and lead by example. Their salvation after we share the good news is between God and them. We can mentor, but we are not to force our beliefs on anyone.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13​

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12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”



Additionally, we are to live in peace with everyone where possible. Living in peace does not include haranguing others about their choices or demanding that they adhere to our beliefs. If someone came along and insisted I live by the rules of Islam or the Star Trek Federation, and they repeatedly reminded me when I choose to not to adhere, that is not living in peace.

Romans 12:18

18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men​

Nevertheless, my brother, I believe that Christians ought not be silent in the public square about the evil wickedness of the transgenderism agenda being pushed upon children who are not even legally allowed to purchase alcohol or tobacco.

 

[civilwarbuff]

If you think children have been harmed, and there is a moral and legal responsibility to report harm to children the relevant authorities...why haven't you done so?

If you THINK an accident has happened, do YOU report it? If you THINK a murder has been or is about to be committed do YOU report it? If you THINK someone is driving drunk, do YOU report it?
It is a very stupid question that you asked. Thinking something has happened is a very far cry, as well as not being admissible in court testimony, as knowing something has happened from say direct observation. I have to assume you are also making your statements/comments of belief from said news reports/second hand knowledge (like the rest of us) and not from first hand knowledge (actually seeing/hearing/witnessing it). As an attorney, you should know that kite won't fly.

And I'll ask you the same question as I did a couple of posts ago. If you think children have been harmed, and there is a moral and legal responsibility to report harm to children the relevant authorities...why haven't you done so?

I will flip that question on its' head: How many children have you spoken to that said this was a great thing for them?.....And I do mean, PERSONALLY spoke to them and listened to their testimony and feelings of satisfactions? Unless you travel in really strange circles, I doubt there are many if any at all.

 

[Hammster]

Then simply reply to my question as to why you have never reported a single case to the child protection agencies. If you think harm is being done then you must. From here: https://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/opre/scan_facts_reporting_2019_aug2022.pdf

• 92% of states have criminal penalties for failure to report child abuse

Can you explain why you haven't?

I’ll try to dumb it down further.

You said “Neither you nor I should be able to dictate what is best for someone's else's children.”

Your point is that whatever parents decide is best. I countered with the fact that states have child services, and almost every parent who has a child taken into custody thinks they are doing what’s best for their child.

I was countering your claim that parents always know what’s best for their children.

 

[Bradskii]

I was countering your claim that parents always know what’s best for their children.

Gee, I hadn't thought to exclude situations where they were perhaps beating their children on a daily basis 'Because it'll do them good'. Glad we have that situation covered.

Now if you can explain why you haven't contacted child services as you are morally and legally bound to do?

 

[Bradskii]

If you THINK an accident has happened, do YOU report it? If you THINK a murder has been or is about to be committed do YOU report it? If you THINK someone is driving drunk, do YOU report it?

Of course I do. Do you think I'd wait until my neighbour actually beats his wife to death before I ring the police? Or do I call them and say that I really think he's going to do something bad? If a guy is driving erratically in front of me, do I wait until he's had an accident before I call the police or do I call them in the hope that it might prevent one?

What a weird set of questions. Which in any case doesn't map onto what I've asked you.

You say that harm has already been caused to children. Why haven't you reported it?

It is a very stupid question that you asked. Thinking something has happened is a very far cry, as well as not being admissible in court testimony, as knowing something has happened from say direct observation.

But you are saying that these things have happened. People are giving statistics saying 'Look, it's happening!' The very thrust of this thread is that operations are being carried out on minors that you say are harmful. Not that you think they may be happening. That they are happening. That they have happened.

Why haven't you reported this?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Of course I do. Do you think I'd wait until my neighbour actually beats his wife to death before I ring the police? Or do I call them and say that I really think he's going to do something bad? If a guy is driving erratically in front of me, do I wait until he's had an accident before I call the police or do I call them in the hope that it might prevent one?

What a weird set of questions. Which in any case doesn't map onto what I've asked you.

You say that harm has already been caused to children. Why haven't you reported it?

Not what I think but what you THINK......huge difference....don't try to intentionally re-interprept what I posted......just answer the questions.

 

[civilwarbuff]

But you are saying that these things have happened.

If I have not said that then you are a liar. So please post where I have state such.....if you can't at least admit you lied.

 

[civilwarbuff]

You say that harm has already been caused to children.

Where have I claimed any such thing? I am sorry Bradskii but you are a LIAR since I have never made any such statement.

 

[civilwarbuff]

But you are saying that these things have happened.

Where have I said that? Once more you lie.

 

[Bradskii]

Not what I think but what you THINK......huge difference....don't try to intentionally re-interprept what I posted......just answer the questions.

I did. I'd always call if I thought something bad was likely to happen.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Gee, I hadn't thought to exclude situations where they were perhaps beating their children on a daily basis 'Because it'll do them good'. Glad we have that situation covered.

Proverbs 13:24
If you disagree, take it up with God.......maybe he will bless us all and apply 13:24 to you......

 

[civilwarbuff]

I did. I'd always call if I thought something bad was likely to happen.

And of course you were always right, right?.....I mean, you weren't falsely accusing your neighbors because you KNEW something bad was likely to happen, right?
Wow, such prescience we should all be granted with......

 

[Bradskii]

Where have I claimed any such thing?

Oh, come on. When an example was given you completely accepted that it was genuine. I asked for one:

With all these surgeries, where is the one example you can give me of a minor having it so we can discuss it?

And when one was eventually produced you were actually pleased that one had been found and we got this:

Would you like some tenderizer with those words?......make them a little easier to chew and swallow?

So there is no doubt that you think it's happening, you accepted the evidence for the example given and you've spent a great deal of time arguing against it.

Or if you prefer we can go the other route if you like. You can state that as far as you know it doesn't happen, in which case you have nothing to report and no complaints to make.

Which path would you prefer to take from here on in?

 

[Bradskii]

And of course you were always right, right?

Well, the only time I've done it was when reporting a guy for very erratic driving late one night. He was very close to having an accident. Luckily it was very late at night in a tunnel a few k's long under Sydney so there was no danger of him hitting another car coming the other way. If it had been on suburban roads and he stopped at a traffic light I might have pulled up in front of him and made a citizens arrest. As it turned out the police appeared and he was pulled over and breath tested.

So yeah. I was right. And I'd be failing in my duty as a responsible citizen if I'd have ignored the situation. Your mileage may vary. But we can check.

Do you think that puberty blockers given to youths are harmful? Yeah? Well, the Mayo Clinic gives them when they think it's appropriate: Puberty blockers for transgender and gender-diverse youth

'Puberty blockers can be used to delay the changes of puberty in transgender and gender-diverse youth who have started puberty.'

If you think that is harming children then it is your duty to report the Mayo clinic to Child Protection Services: Child Protective Services | Childcare.gov

Will you do so?

 

[Hammster]

Gee, I hadn't thought to exclude situations where they were perhaps beating their children on a daily basis 'Because it'll do them good'. Glad we have that situation covered.

Now if you can explain why you haven't contacted child services as you are morally and legally bound to do?

Okay. You still don’t understand. I tried.

 

[Bradskii]

Okay. You still don’t understand. I tried.

Indeed you did. Now you can try to explain why you've never contacted child protection agencies if you think that children are being harmed.

 

[BCP1928]

If you THINK an accident has happened, do YOU report it? If you THINK a murder has been or is about to be committed do YOU report it? If you THINK someone is driving drunk, do YOU report it?
It is a very stupid question that you asked. Thinking something has happened is a very far cry, as well as not being admissible in court testimony, as knowing something has happened from say direct observation. I have to assume you are also making your statements/comments of belief from said news reports/second hand knowledge (like the rest of us) and not from first hand knowledge (actually seeing/hearing/witnessing it). As an attorney, you should know that kite won't fly.

That's why when you think something is happening you report it and let the proper investigators find out if it really did happen or not. Reporting a possible crime is not an accusation that has to stand up in court.

I will flip that question on its' head: How many children have you spoken to that said this was a great thing for them?.....And I do mean, PERSONALLY spoke to them and listened to their testimony and feelings of satisfactions? Unless you travel in really strange circles, I doubt there are many if any at all.

Nobody really has, as there are so few. What difference does it make? There are a few trans kids in my social circle and I have spoken to them some about their feelings and opinions on the subject. Conservatives in this forum tell me that those opinions are without value because they don't agree with the true insidious nature of the trans agenda.

 

[Bradskii]

That's why when you think something is happening you report it and let the proper investigators find out if it really did happen or not. Reporting a possible crime is not an accusation that has to stand up in court.

Exactly right. I have an exercise book in front of me where I took notes when being educated on the responsibilities of teachers in regard to reporting problems 18 months ago as I have a part time position. The notes run for many pages. On the very first page I had written 'Report sus. behaviour!!!' And it's underlined a couple of times. It was constantly emphasised what one has to do when one has suspicions that something might be wrong. Not proof that something is wrong. But simply a suspicion.

We have people in this thread who are adamant that children under 18 years of age are being harmed. I have even listed a health facility that would be responsible. Have any of these people backed up their claim of harm by doing what would be the right thing in that case and reporting it?

The fact that no-one has tells us all we need to know.

 

[Hammster]

Indeed you did. Now you can try to explain why you've never contacted child protection agencies if you think that children are being harmed.

Do you have a name?

 

[Bradskii]

Do you have a name?

You won't need a specific name. Just contact the child protection services and say that, for example, the Mayo Clinic is admitting to harming children: Puberty blockers for transgender and gender-diverse youth

Tell them that the link I gave you is evidence that it occurs. They'll deal with the matter from then on. Or maybe you could us the girl in this article who is named together with the hospital: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-transyouth-care/

I won't name her in an open forum but you'll get any details you might need. Let us know the response if you could.