Tim Walz Signed Bill Making Minnesota a Sanctuary State for Child Sex-Changes

[Hammster]

Yay! State's rights! And nothing in it prohibits the state legislature from passing a law against gender reassignment surgery if they chose to do so.

Yes. States are allowed to be evil.

 

[AlexB23]

Has anyone pointed out yet that the OP article is outdated, being from February 2023?

Sweden's parliament makes it easier for young people to change gender

The centre-right governing coalition's two biggest parties supported the legislation, which ultimately passed easily.

www.euronews.com

Euronews:The Swedish parliament has passed a law lowering the age for people to change their gender identity from 18 to 16. ​

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Those under 18 still need approval from a guardian, a doctor and the National Board of Health and Welfare.​

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The law also stipulates that an official diagnosis for gender dysphoria, a condition of psychological distress experienced by those whose gender expression does not match their gender identity is no longer required. ​

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The bill was passed 234-94 with 21 lawmakers absent, following a debate that lasted for nearly six hours.​

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Sweden joins a number of countries with similar laws including Denmark, Norway, Finland and Spain.​

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Ooh yeah, that OP article is from a long time ago. Seems that the Swedes are going woke as well, though not to the extent of the Americans.

 

[Hammster]

Has anyone pointed out yet that the OP article is outdated, being from February 2023?

The OP article is a few days old.

 

[Mayzoo]

Honestly, I fail to comprehend how Christians can support the so-called gender affirming care being pushed by the progressive left and the transgenderism agenda.

Not speaking out about it is not supporting it, btw. So if you are referring to something else, disregard the below.

We are to share the good news and lead by example. Their salvation after we share the good news is between God and them. We can mentor, but we are not to force our beliefs on anyone.

1 Corinthians 5:12-13

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12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”



Additionally, we are to live in peace with everyone where possible. Living in peace does not include haranguing others about their choices or demanding that they adhere to our beliefs. If someone came along and insisted I live by the rules of Islam or the Star Trek Federation, and they repeatedly reminded me when I choose to not to adhere, that is not living in peace.

Romans 12:18

18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all men​

 

[BCP1928]

Honestly, I fail to comprehend how Christians can support the so-called gender affirming care being pushed by the progressive left and the transgenderism agenda.

It is a difficult issue for some Christians to use the power of the secular state to outlaw something that only Christians believe to be sinful.

 

[Bradskii]

Just about every parent who has a child removed from their home thinks they are doing the best for their child.

I have no idea of the point you are trying to make. But I guess that as you haven't said that you felt you had to contact child support services in any circumstance, you don't feel it was applicable. So I wonder why you brought them up.

 

[Bradskii]

There are parents taking little boys and letting them identify as little girls and wear dresses and wear their hair like a girl and go by a girl name and I don't think it's healthy but it's none of my business if the parents choose to do this.
Gender affirming surgery for minors though is something that some lawmakers feel is not healthy and some states may take action to prohibit or limit such surgeries.

In which case everyone should obey the the law. Because it will presumably be based on the best medical advice. Not because someone personally thinks it's a bad idea.

 

[Bradskii]

Under 18 they are too young to make those kind of decisions for themselves.

They don't.

If the parents allow it then any thing that happens down the road is their fault and they should be held fully accountable by society for any harm they cause their child.

And by the same token they should be praised if the result is beneficial. Which, has been shown, is invariably the case. But I guess this is a one-way street for you.

 

[Bradskii]

Yes. States are allowed to be evil.

This does seem to be the crux of the argument. Which obviously means that it carries no weight. If you want things to change then simply calling it evil will get you nowhere. I just thought that you ought to know that.

 

[Hammster]

I have no idea of the point you are trying to make. But I guess that as you haven't said that you felt you had to contact child support services in any circumstance, you don't feel it was applicable. So I wonder why you brought them up.

You admittedly don’t understand.

 

[Hammster]

This does seem to be the crux of the argument. Which obviously means that it carries no weight. If you want things to change then simply calling it evil will get you nowhere. I just thought that you ought to know that.

The scripture is full of men calling out evil.

 

[Bradskii]

You admittedly don’t understand.

Well, yes. It made no sense to me. You'd think that my having said that then you'd make an attempt to clarify what you said if you wanted to get your point over. But I'll again mention the fact to which you didn't respond - and perhaps rephrase it as a question: If you think that some evil is being perpetrated then why haven't you contacted the Child protection agencies? You said that that is what they are there for.

In Australia you are legally bound to report acts that you think are harming a child. I'd assume the US is the same. Why are you not?

 

[Servus]

There are parents taking little boys and letting them identify as little girls and wear dresses and wear their hair like a girl and go by a girl name and I don't think it's healthy but it's none of my business if the parents choose to do this.
Gender affirming surgery for minors though is something that some lawmakers feel is not healthy and some states may take action to prohibit or limit such surgeries.

It's more than just letting them. I've seen and read about parents basically getting their little boy into it. It seems to be quite trendy now to have a trans kid. So there's a lot of parents pushing it. Even those posting on CF seem to be pushing it. It's pretty strange seeing so many adults so interested in boys becoming girls.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Which, has been shown, is invariably the case.

Which has not been shown because they never talk about those who regret it.

But I guess this is a one-way street for you.

Well, since you advocate for it, it would seem to me I can't use that 'one way street' because you are already blocking it.....just say'n.....

 

[Hammster]

Well, yes. It made no sense to me. You'd think that my having said that then you'd make an attempt to clarify what you said if you wanted to get your point over. But I'll again mention the fact to which you didn't respond - and perhaps rephrase it as a question: If you think that some evil is being perpetrated then why haven't you contacted the Child protection agencies? You said that that is what they are there for.

In Australia you are legally bound to report acts that you think are harming a child. I'd assume the US is the same. Why are you not?

It was a simple argument. I can’t dumb it down any further.

 

[KCfromNC]

It was about the content.

My post said nothing about heathens.

 

[Bradskii]

Well, since you advocate for it, it would seem to me I can't use that 'one way street' because you are already blocking it.....just say'n.....

The one way street is you not being able to accept the facts that have been given to you that show that invariably these processes are beneficial.

 

[Bradskii]

It was a simple argument. I can’t dumb it down any further.

Then simply reply to my question as to why you have never reported a single case to the child protection agencies. If you think harm is being done then you must. From here: https://www.acf.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/documents/opre/scan_facts_reporting_2019_aug2022.pdf

• 92% of states have criminal penalties for failure to report child abuse

Can you explain why you haven't?

 

[civilwarbuff]

The one way street is you not being able to accept the facts that have been given to you that show that invariably these processes are beneficial.

The one way street is you not being able to accept the facts that have been given to you that show that invariably these processes are detrimental.

Sorry, I had to steal the phrase from you......

 

[Bradskii]

The one way street is you not being able to accept the facts that have been given to you that show that invariably these processes are detrimental.

Sorry, I had to steal the phrase from you......

We had one example (after very many posts asking for anything at all). And that wasn't detrimental in itself. The person had simply changed her mind. That's something that can happen after any decision that has long term implications. But the decisions that are made regarding this matter are invariably beneficial.

So yes, I'll agree that with 20 20 hindsight that girl in the example would possibly have not gone through a masectomy. Now I'd appreciate if you could agree that in almost all cases the results have been beneficial.

And I'll ask you the same question as I did a couple of posts ago. If you think children have been harmed, and there is a moral and legal responsibility to report harm to children the relevant authorities...why haven't you done so?