Kamala can’t win

[Tropical Wilds]

All I know is I managed to get along the same as now for 36 years not belonging to a union.

What a weird thing to say. It’s like saying “well I’ve managed just fine having never had NASA send me to space,” all while using the internet on your laptop in your insulated home while watching your satellite TV and drinking Tang made with filtered water.

 

[ozso]

The American people voted for a Biden/Harris ticket. Meaning, should he not be president, she would be.
Every single person who voted for him voted for her too. Given his age, we all considered she may be President should something happen to him, so we are seeing the contingency plan work as it was always meant to.

The contingency plain regarding the VP is they take over the vacated office of president. That office is still occupied.

 

[ozso]

What a weird thing to say. It’s like saying “well I’ve managed just fine having never had NASA send me to space,” all while using the internet on your laptop in your insulated home while watching your satellite TV and drinking Tang made with filtered water.

None of which has anything to do with NASA. Except perhaps Tang, which I doubt I've ever sampled.

Edit: Nope, not even Tang. NASA just boosted Tang sales when they started using it.

 

[BCP1928]

All I know is I managed to get along the same as now for 36 years not belonging to a union.

Is that something to be proud of?

 

[Tropical Wilds]

The contingency plain regarding the VP is they take over the vacated office of president. That office is still occupied.

… Until January, when he is leaving… Which he announced… Like… Several weeks ago.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

None of which has anything to do with NASA. Except perhaps Tang, which I doubt I've ever sampled.

Literally all of those things have to do with NASA… Yikes for you that you don’t know that.

 

[ozso]

Literally all of those things have to do with NASA… Yikes for you that you don’t know that.

I've known quite a lot about NASA and JPL etc since childhood. NASA did not invent laptops, nor computers, nor the internet, nor home insulation, nor satellites, nor Tang etc. Which means you are the one who doesn't know squat about NASA. I bet you don't even know what the acronym NASA stands for without looking it up. Or know which Apollo mission Gus Grissom was assigned to. Or the name of the Apollo astronaut who hit a goofball on the moon, much less the name of the mission he was on before Apollo. How about the name of the astronaut who stayed in the CM during the Apollo 11 moon landing? What's CM stand for? What does LM stand for and what was its code name on the A-11 mission? Hint: "The ______ has landed".

 

[keith99]

Anti-Trumpism has always been largely fuled by fear mongering. And the pandemic of course excellerarated that greatly. It was the perfect storm.

Hardly a perfect storm

Being retired I have some time for TV and I had become interested in Biathlon. A winter athletic event that combines cross country skiing and shooting. Before all but a handful of Americans had ever heard of Covid Biathlon events went from having packed venues to not allowing any spectators.

Part of a perfect storm for an epidemic would be little to no warning. Perhaps Italy had a perfect storm, not the United States. We had plenty of warning.

BUT the departments that should have been doing something had been largely dismantled by Trump. A typical Trump cost saving situation. It was a sure thing that sooner or later we would need to deal with an epidemic. But super short term it does save money to not be ready and hope that sooner or later is after your term of office is over.

 

[ozso]

Hardly a perfect storm

Being retired I have some time for TV and I had become interested in Biathlon. A winter athletic event that combines cross country skiing and shooting. Before all but a handful of Americans had ever heard of Covid Biathlon events went from having packed venues to not allowing any spectators.

Part of a perfect storm for an epidemic would be little to no warning. Perhaps Italy had a perfect storm, not the United States. We had plenty of warning.

I meant the perfect storm politically. In the US. For the democrats.

BUT the departments that should have been doing something had been largely dismantled by Trump.
A typical Trump cost saving situation. It was a sure thing that sooner or later we would need to deal with an epidemic. But super short term it does save money to not be ready and hope that sooner or later is after your term of office is over.

What departments were those? I'm looking for more derails than vague stuff people probably heard in passing on CNN or wherever.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I've known quite a lot about NASA and JPL etc since childhood. NASA did not invent laptops, nor computers, nor the internet, nor home insulation, nor satellites, nor Tang etc. Which means you are the one who doesn't know squat about NASA.

You know, I would have gone with "wow, I didn't know that, how interesting" vs doubling down on something so easily and provably wrong.

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Bound by its motto "for the benefit of all" since its formation NASA has had an obligation to foster and transfer its technological and scientific breakthroughs to the public and commercial spheres

www.space.com

https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/60counting/NASA: 60 Years & Counting - Technology

https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/60counting/We celebrate NASA’s first 60 years of achievement

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I would say "how embarrassing for you," but I know how this is going to go. I say a fact, you say something blatantly wrong, I give you a chance to correct it, you double down by being confrontationally and blatantly wrong, I prove you indisputably wrong (which is where we are now), then you reply back with a deflection, moved goalpost, or some other "I'm right because I say so" accountability avoidance behavior, I realize I'm talking to the pigeon playing chess, and you act like we didn't all just see you proudly announce how wrong you were on a topic (though many of us think "oh look, it's that guy who was super excited to show us how wrong he was about NASA" and take everything else you say with a big grain of salt).

I bet you don't even know what the acronym NASA stands for without looking it up. Or know which Apollo mission Gus Grissom was assigned to. Or the name of the Apollo astronaut who hit a goofball on the moon, much less the name of the mission he was on before Apollo. How about the name of the astronaut who stayed in the CM during the Apollo 11 moon landing? What's CM stand for? What does LM stand for and what was its code name on the A-11 mission? Hint: "The ______ has landed".

I mean, if you want help with those questions, I'm happy to do it... It's all pretty basic stuff that any middle schooler who went to any generic space camp could answer, along with "what are things we have now thanks to NASA," but apparently we can't just assume everybody has basic, functional knowledge of US history these says, I guess.

 

[keith99]

I meant the perfect storm politically. In the US. For the democrats.

What departments were those? I'm looking for more derails than vague stuff people probably heard in passing on CNN or wherever.

The unit's name was The Pandemic Response Unit. It was disbanded in 2018 under Trump.

 

[ozso]

You know, I would have gone with "wow, I didn't know that, how interesting" vs doubling down on something so easily and provably wrong.

20 Inventions We Wouldn't Have Without Space Travel

NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, the leading center for robotic exploration of the solar system.

www.jpl.nasa.gov

Top 10 NASA Inventions

The men and women of NASA are an ingenious bunch, and they're not just inventing amazing things for space. Which inventions have changed our lives here on Earth?

science.howstuffworks.com

10 everyday NASA inventions and spin-offs you can find in your home

Bound by its motto "for the benefit of all" since its formation NASA has had an obligation to foster and transfer its technological and scientific breakthroughs to the public and commercial spheres

www.space.com

https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/60counting/NASA: 60 Years & Counting - Technology

https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/60counting/We celebrate NASA’s first 60 years of achievement

www.nasa.gov

25 Everyday Items That NASA Invented :: Sunmark Credit Union | The Bright Way To Bank - New York Capital Region

25 Everyday Items That NASA Invented

www.sunmark.org

NASA’s Top 10 Inventions - Articles by MagellanTV

NASA has contributed many inventions and technologies that have significantly changed our world. Which ones have been the most impactful?

www.magellantv.com

I would say "how embarrassing for you," but I know how this is going to go. I say a fact, you say something blatantly wrong, I give you a chance to correct it, you double down by being confrontationally and blatantly wrong, I prove you indisputably wrong (which is where we are now), then you reply back with a deflection, moved goalpost, or some other "I'm right because I say so" accountability avoidance behavior, I realize I'm talking to the pigeon playing chess, and you act like we didn't all just see you proudly announce how wrong you were on a topic (though many of us think "oh look, it's that guy who was super excited to show us how wrong he was about NASA" and take everything else you say with a big grain of salt).


I mean, if you want help with those questions, I'm happy to do it... It's all pretty basic stuff that any middle schooler who went to any generic space camp could answer, along with "what are things we have now thanks to NASA," but apparently we can't just assume everybody has basic, functional knowledge of US history these says, I guess.

You didn't mention a lot of that stuff and other stuff you mentioned isn't on those lists. Also NASA is taking too much credit for several of those items which can be associated with and or was used by or modified by NASA, but came into existence outside of NASA in one form or another. Really if anyone deserves credit for most/all of those things, it's Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, Benjamin Franklin, Nikola Tesla, Frederick Banting, Leo Baekeland, Otto Bayer, Louis Le Prince, Hiram Maxim etc etc, none of whom worked for NASA.

 

[ozso]

The unit's name was The Pandemic Response Unit. It was disbanded in 2018 under Trump.

Hmm... USA TODAY Fact Checks Claim Trump Fired ‘Entire’ NSC Global Health Unit. Fact check: White House didn’t fire pandemic response unit when it was disbanded in 2018“…In May 2018, former national security adviser John Bolton restructured Trump’s National Security Council [NSC] and disbanded the global health unit. Its former head, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, resigned from the administration and was not replaced. …

USA TODAY Fact Checks Claim Trump Fired 'Entire' NSC Global Health Unit | KFF

USA TODAY: Fact check: White House didn’t fire pandemic response unit when it was disbanded in 2018 “…In May 2018, former national security adviser John Bolton restructured Trump’s National Security Council [NSC] and disbanded the global health unit. Its former head, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer...

www.kff.org

 

[Tropical Wilds]

You didn't mention a lot of that stuff and other stuff you mentioned isn't on those lists.

Hun, everything I mentioned was on those lists or attached to the lists that were on there. And no, I didn't mention everything NASA has ever invented in my post because, seeing as they're responsible for thousands of inventions, it would have been impractical to list them all. So go ahead and put that goal post down, dear.

Also NASA is taking too much credit for several of those items which can be associated with and or was used by or modified by NASA, but came into existence outside of NASA in one form or another.

I'm just going to go ahead and listen to NASA on this one, not "random person on the internet who knows what NASA did better than NASA."

Really if anyone deserves credit for most/all of those things, it's Thomas Edison, Alexander Graham Bell, Benjamin Franklin, Nikola Tesla, Frederick Banting, Leo Baekeland, Otto Bayer, Louis Le Prince, Hiram Maxim etc etc, none of whom worked for NASA.

Thomas Edison did not help with the invention of the laptop, nor did Tesla, etc. etc. as you say. You're reaching and rewriting history so you don't look foolish on a forum, and that's just not how that works.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Hmm... USA TODAY Fact Checks Claim Trump Fired ‘Entire’ NSC Global Health Unit. Fact check: White House didn’t fire pandemic response unit when it was disbanded in 2018“…In May 2018, former national security adviser John Bolton restructured Trump’s National Security Council [NSC] and disbanded the global health unit. Its former head, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer, resigned from the administration and was not replaced. …

USA TODAY Fact Checks Claim Trump Fired 'Entire' NSC Global Health Unit | KFF

USA TODAY: Fact check: White House didn’t fire pandemic response unit when it was disbanded in 2018 “…In May 2018, former national security adviser John Bolton restructured Trump’s National Security Council [NSC] and disbanded the global health unit. Its former head, Rear Adm. Timothy Ziemer...

www.kff.org

I can see why you didn't post the actual article from USA Today directly... It hides that USA said it was literally false but functionally true. That goes against the narrative we are trying to cherry-pick and cultivate. Because, as we all know, facts are tricky and when we don't like them, we can just re-write them!

"Our rating: Partly false​

Based on our research, the claim that President Trump fired the "entire" pandemic response team is PARTLY FALSE. The Directorate of Global Health Security and Biodefense was disbanded under Trump's then-national security adviser John Bolton. But Trump didn't fire its members. Some resigned, and others moved to different units on the National Security Council."

Fact check: White House didn't fire pandemic response unit when it was disbanded in 2018

Posts claim President Donald Trump fired the "entire" pandemic response team in 2018. When the unit was disbanded, personnel were moved or resigned.

www.usatoday.com

 

[ozso]

Hun, everything I mentioned was on those lists or attached to the lists that were on there. And no, I didn't mention everything NASA has ever invented in my post because, seeing as they're responsible for thousands of inventions, it would have been impractical to list them all. So go ahead and put that goal post down, dear.


I'm just going to go ahead and listen to NASA on this one, not "random person on the internet who knows what NASA did better than NASA."

NASA did not invent satellites, but they have launched many satellites into space to help scientists study Earth, the solar system, and the universe. The Soviet Union launched the first artificial satellite, Sputnik 1, into orbit on October 4, 1957. The United States' first satellite, Explorer 1, was launched by NASA on January 11, 1958, just 10 days after NASA opened for business. NASA satellites often carry scientific sensors and cameras to gather information. For example, Explorer 6 took the first picture of Earth from space in 1959.

NASA did not invent Tang, but the drink mix has become closely associated with the U.S. space program and is still used by NASA today. General Foods Corporation developed Tang in 1957 as a breakfast drink that's high in vitamin C. NASA later adopted it for use in the Mercury food system, and astronaut John Glenn drank Tang while in orbit in 1962. General Foods then began marketing Tang as a space-age drink, and it accompanied astronauts on the Gemini and Apollo programs. Tang's association with space exploration has led to its popularity remaining strong today, and it's still consumed by crew members on the International Space Station.

There's much more of course.

Thomas Edison did not help with the invention of the laptop, nor did Tesla, etc. etc. as you say. You're reaching and rewriting history so you don't look foolish on a forum, and that's just not how that works.

It would be kinda hard for laptops to work without electricity or alternating current, or electrical wires, or all of the other materials laptops are constructed of like plastic (invented by Leo Baekeland). Or say the circuit boards in them that were invented by Paul Eisler. The list is endless. And for the record Alan Kay is credited for the invention of the laptop. And there's no mention of NASA in his biography.

BTW this is way way way off topic.

 

[ozso]

I can see why you didn't post the actual article from USA Today directly... It hides that USA said it was literally false but functionally true. That goes against the narrative we are trying to cherry-pick and cultivate. Because, as we all know, facts are tricky and when we don't like them, we can just re-write them!

"Our rating: Partly false​

Based on our research, the claim that President Trump fired the "entire" pandemic response team is PARTLY FALSE. The Directorate of Global Health Security and Biodefense was disbanded under Trump's then-national security adviser John Bolton. But Trump didn't fire its members. Some resigned, and others moved to different units on the National Security Council."

Fact check: White House didn't fire pandemic response unit when it was disbanded in 2018

Posts claim President Donald Trump fired the "entire" pandemic response team in 2018. When the unit was disbanded, personnel were moved or resigned.

www.usatoday.com

Looks an awful lot like what I already posted.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

NASA did not invent satellites, but they have launched many satellites into space to help scientists study Earth, the solar system, and the universe. The Soviet Union launched the first artificial satellite, Sputnik 1, into orbit on October 4, 1957. The United States' first satellite, Explorer 1, was launched by NASA on January 11, 1958, just 10 days after NASA opened for business. NASA satellites often carry scientific sensors and cameras to gather information. For example, Explorer 6 took the first picture of Earth from space in 1959.

NASA did not invent Tang, but the drink mix has become closely associated with the U.S. space program and is still used by NASA today. General Foods Corporation developed Tang in 1957 as a breakfast drink that's high in vitamin C. NASA later adopted it for use in the Mercury food system, and astronaut John Glenn drank Tang while in orbit in 1962. General Foods then began marketing Tang as a space-age drink, and it accompanied astronauts on the Gemini and Apollo programs. Tang's association with space exploration has led to its popularity remaining strong today, and it's still consumed by crew members on the International Space Station.

There's much more of course.

You’re literally embarrassing yourself at this point.

It would be kinda hard for laptops to work without electricity or alternating current, or electrical wires, or all of the other materials laptops are constructed of like plastic (invented by Leo Baekeland). Or say the circuit boards in them that were invented by Paul Eisler. The list is endless. And for the record Alan Kay is credited for the invention of the laptop. And there's no mention of NASA in his biography.

And Taylor Swift couldn’t record her music without electricity, so technically she’s not a singer, but Tesla, Edison, and Eisler, et al. And cars were invented by Mesopotamians because they invented the wheel and cars couldn’t exist without wheels. The invented trains and airplanes too, apparently. And we should all thank the author of Harry Potter, Ts’ai, because without paper the book wouldn’t exist.

LoL, sit down, you are being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, not because you have a valid point to make. I could say it’s party sunny and you’d argue it’s sunny with clouds because you are incapable of admitting I was right.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Looks an awful lot like what I already posted.

You posted that he was right? Good!

 

[ozso]

You’re literally embarrassing yourself at this point.

And Taylor Swift couldn’t record her music without electricity, so technically she’s not a singer, but Tesla, Edison, and Eisler, et al. And cars were invented by Mesopotamians because they invented the wheel and cars couldn’t exist without wheels. The invented trains and airplanes too, apparently. And we should all thank the author of Harry Potter, Ts’ai, because without paper the book wouldn’t exist.

LoL, sit down, you are being contrarian for the sake of being contrarian, not because you have a valid point to make. I could say it’s party sunny and you’d argue it’s sunny with clouds because you are incapable of admitting I was right.

Too OT. Continue via PM if you wish. Or start a thread in the Junk Drawer.