Kamala can’t win

[A2SG]

The situation with Ford was similar to that of LBJ.

Nope. LBJ was elected Vice President. Ford wasn't.

With the obvious exception of assassination vs resignation putting them in the office of president. The situation with Harris is an entirely different ball of wax. There's never been a time when during the middle of a campaign for a second term, a president suddely dropped out. This situation is unprecedented.

Not this late in the game, true enough. So?

The DNC has had procedures in place should something like this occur, so it may be unprecedented, but they weren't unprepared for the possibility.

-- A2SG, and Harris will still face the voters, so really no big deal....

 

[Hammster]

When he ran for reelection in 1976, he did. He lost to Jimmy Carter.

But prior to that, Gerald Ford was appointed VP when Spiro Agnew resigned rather than be indicted for tax evasion while in office (he pled no contest to a single charge afterward), then became President when Nixon later resigned amid Watergate. Ford's first act as president was to pardon Nixon. Some speculate he only became VP because he agreed to do that.

No one voted for Ford as President for that term. At all.

-- A2SG, so not the same as Harris, who will face voters in November....

I’m amused that you think there’s a correlation.

 

[A2SG]

How does this even compare? Nobody votes for vice president.

Sure they do. Not separately, granted, but as part of the ticket.

And if you don't think the VP pick plays a role when voting for President, look at all the posts and social media attention around Harris' choice of running mate.

-- A2SG, can't say no one cares about that....

 

[A2SG]

I’m amused that you think there’s a correlation.

I never claimed there was a correlation. I simply meant to say stranger things have happened, and the country survived intact.

-- A2SG, and elections still happen...

 

[Hammster]

Sure they do. Not separately, granted, but as part of the ticket.

And if you don't think the VP pick plays a role when voting for President, look at all the posts and social media attention around Harris' choice of running mate.

-- A2SG, can't say no one cares about that....

I’m not saying that the VP pick doesn’t play a part. I’m saying that nobody votes for them. They are always appointed.

 

[ozso]

Nope. LBJ was elected Vice President. Ford wasn't.

Ford isn't really applicable to any case, so it was a mistake to bring him up.

Not this late in the game, true enough. So?

The DNC has had procedures in place should something like this occur, so it may be unprecedented, but they weren't unprepared for the possibility.

-- A2SG, and Harris will still face the voters, so really no big deal....

I'm still waiting for what your point is.

 

[A2SG]

I’m not saying that the VP pick doesn’t play a part. I’m saying that nobody votes for them. They are always appointed.

Not the way Ford was. Ford was appointed after the election. Vice President's typically run with the candidate for President.

A2SG, as Kamala Harris did in 2020....

 

[A2SG]

Ford isn't really applicable to any case, so it was a mistake to bring him up.

Someone said Harris received no votes. Neither did Ford, at any point in the 1972 election. The difference, of course, is Harris won't become president without votes.

I'm still waiting for what your point is.

I've stated it, and restated it, a few times already. Go back and check if you missed them.

-- A2SG, usually they're preceded by me saying "my point is...."

 

[BCP1928]

Interesting. For some reason I assumed that in 1976 he actually had to secure the nomination through normal means. I guess I was wrong.

And what are "normal" means? The "normal" means of nominating a candidate is in convention. Primaries are a relatively recent invention.

 

[ozso]

Someone said Harris received no votes. Neither did Ford, at any point in the 1972 election. The difference, of course, is Harris won't become president without votes.

No Harris was a running mate. Ford wasn't. It was a totally different situation.

I've stated it, and restated it, a few times already. Go back and check if you missed them.

-- A2SG, usually they're preceded by me saying "my point is...."

Non responsive.

 

[Hammster]

Not the way Ford was. Ford was appointed after the election. Vice President's typically run with the candidate for President.

A2SG, as Kamala Harris did in 2020....

After or before is irrelevant. It’s not an elected position. It’s appointed by the nominee or president.

 

[Hammster]

And what are "normal" means? The "normal" means of nominating a candidate is in convention. Primaries are a relatively recent invention.

I’m fairly sure…checks calendar…that we are in recent times.

 

[ozso]

I’m fairly sure…checks calendar…that we are in recent times.

Are you sure? I keep hearing about Ford from 50 years ago and Lincoln from 163 years ago.

 

[BCP1928]

I’m fairly sure…checks calendar…that we are in recent times.

So what? There is no law or tradition which requires them.

 

[Whyayeman]

After or before is irrelevant. It’s not an elected position. It’s appointed by the nominee or president.

Statements of the obvious don't address the proposition that Kamala Harris cannot win the election. It is this confected dispute that is irrelevant. She is likely to be the Democratic candidate and just now quite a lot suggests she might well become President.

Early days, but worrying for the Trump camp.

 

[Hammster]

Statements of the obvious don't address the proposition that Kamala Harris cannot win the election. It is this confected dispute that is irrelevant. She is likely to be the Democratic candidate and just now quite a lot suggests she might well become President.

Early days, but worrying for the Trump camp.

I’m not worrying.

 

[FenderTL5]

Interesting. For some reason I assumed that in 1976 he actually had to secure the nomination through normal means. I guess I was wrong.

Partially wrong. In 1976 he did secure the nomination to run against Carter through normal means. It was his ascension prior in 1974 that was atypical. He was appointed VP by Nixon when Agnew resigned, he then rose to the Presidency when Nixon resigned. He went from congressman to VP and on to President without getting a single vote for either executive office.

 

[DaisyDay]

Are you sure? I keep hearing about Ford from 50 years ago and Lincoln from 163 years ago.

When we're speaking of historical precedent, that which occurred within living memory is recent.

 

[Hammster]

Partially wrong. In 1976 he did secure the nomination to run against Carter through normal means. It was his ascension prior in 1974 that was atypical. He was appointed VP by Nixon when Agnew resigned, he then rose to the Presidency when Nixon resigned. He went from congressman to VP and on to President without getting a single vote for either executive office.

And that has nothing to do with my comment that started this.

 

[A2SG]

No Harris was a running mate. Ford wasn't. It was a totally different situation.

So tell that to the folks who think she's broken the rules somehow.

-- A2SG, I've pointed out that little detail before, myself...