Tim Walz Signed Bill Making Minnesota a Sanctuary State for Child Sex-Changes

[rjs330]

We have something called HIPAA that protects private health information so I don’t know how he would find it.

Oh therefore since it's illegal to get a name of rhe kids involved, means it's not occurring correct?

That seems to be the claim here.

 

[Bradskii]

I guess you don’t understand hypotheticals.

I understand them perfectly. If there were no operations being performed then you'd have no examples to give me and we 'd have nothing to discuss. As that is not the case and they are being performed then I want you to give me an example.

 

[rjs330]

But you have no details. If I said some child had a major medical procedure and asked if you thought that was wrong, then you wouldn't be able to tell me. You'd want to know the specific details. But you are saying the same thing. That a minor has had an operation and it was wrong - but with no details about it whatsoever.

So I want you to put up. If you have an example of a minor having an operation then let's hear about it. I'm waiting for a single example.

You really been given examples. You were provided with evidence that children were receiving mastectomies as gender affirming surgeries. The research wasn't for kids with cancer or catastrophic injuries.

Give me a break. We don't need the details on why a kid got transgender mastectomies. What a foolishness request that is.

 

[BPPLEE]

Plenty of info was provided already HERE.

This is the same old worn out game where the 'show evidence, documentation, statistics, data' challenge is made.

Then the challenger dismisses it and keeps goading for evidence that was already presented.

Yeah. That’s the article I posted.

 

[BPPLEE]

So where do you get your information from that says these operations are not medically necessary? All you've given us so far is a link that gives some idea of the numbers and which said that they are invariably beneficial...

Where is your data?

No you came up with something that said they are beneficial

 

[BPPLEE]

Oh therefore since it's illegal to get a name of rhe kids involved, means it's not occurring correct?

That seems to be the claim here.

It’s occurring.

 

[Bradskii]

No you came up with something that said they are beneficial

Yes. Why link to something you say is bad when it says it's not? Where is an example where it has been shown to be bad? With all these surgeries, where is the one example you can give me of a minor having it so we can discuss it?

 

[Servus]

You most certainly did not answer this question:


"Not christianity" is not paganism.

Actually it is.

 

[rjs330]

It’s occurring.

Oh I know it is. I provided the proof of it. Brad seems to think since we can't provide specific information on federally protected information it must not be occurring. Quite the nonsense.

 

[Servus]

Oh I know it is. I provided the proof of it. Brad seems to think since we can't provide specific information on federally protected information it must not be occurring. Quite the nonsense.

Even if you did manage to dig up an individual child's medical records and were legally able to post the info here, it would be dismissed based on some pretext.

 

[Hammster]

I understand them perfectly. If there were no operations being performed then you'd have no examples to give me and we 'd have nothing to discuss. As that is not the case and they are being performed then I want you to give me an example.

So you understand hypotheticals, mine just doesn’t fit your agenda.

 

[BCP1928]

Oh I know it is. I provided the proof of it. Brad seems to think since we can't provide specific information on federally protected information it must not be occurring. Quite the nonsense.

I think it's safe to say that Brad doesn't think that. Nobody really thinks that. Claiming he does is not even a good way to wiggle out of the rhetorical corner you have gotten yourselves into.

 

[KCfromNC]

You cry personal attack on a constant basis.

Any other alleged personal failings of mine you think are relevant to the thread? Something about my height or choice in clothes, perhaps?

 

[KCfromNC]

So where do you get your information from that says these operations are not medically necessary? All you've given us so far is a link that gives some idea of the numbers and which said that they are invariably beneficial...

Where is your data?

Is "many people are saying" not rigorous enough for you?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Not up to your usual standards of sarcasm. I'll give you a 3 out of 10.

I'm surprised. Knowing your stated opinions I would have expected a -10 out of 10. Thanks.

 

[BPPLEE]

I think it's safe to say that Brad doesn't think that. Nobody really thinks that. Claiming he does is not even a good way to wiggle out of the rhetorical corner you have gotten yourselves into.

What is his point then in repeatedly asking for an example?

 

[BCP1928]

What is his point then in repeatedly asking for an example?

It's a challenge. The Right is complaining about all the little boys who are having their penises cut off and how that is unnecessary, but they need to support those statements.
It would be helpful to know roughly how many and what operation they have had. When this issue first came to light in this forum, it was tens of thousands and the operation was being performed by elementary school teachers without parental knowledge. They seemed to have backed away from that kind of exaggeration, but they still don't seem to know very much about what is actually happening. At least we have managed to goad you here into putting up some real numbers, approximate as they are. No need to violate HIPAA at all. And since this is a medical science field, there will be journal articles about the procedures and even about individual cases to be looked at all without violating HIPAA.
As to whether these surgeries are necessary or not, you just say they are unnecessary and that is the end of your argument. But in order to make that credible, you should at least understand the reasons why trained medical professionals think they are necessary, but you don't and don't even want to.

The point in asking for an example is to see if there are conservatives who are willing to argue against trans surgeries for minors by informing themselves about what is actually happening rather than relying on imaginary lurid stories. I am not in favor of trans surgeries for minors either, but I don't want to see laws against it passed by conservatives ignorant of what is actually happening. The devil is in the details, and we see what happens when laws against abortion are written that way, you wind up with pregnant women being inadvertently required to carry a dead fetus to term. The medically ignorant conservative politicians who try to pass laws like that have no clue.

 

[Hammster]

It's a challenge. The Right is complaining about all the little boys who are having their penises cut off and how that is unnecessary, but they need to support those statements.

The complaint is that it’s legal to do so.

 

[rjs330]

I think it's safe to say that Brad doesn't think that. Nobody really thinks that. Claiming he does is not even a good way to wiggle out of the rhetorical corner you have gotten yourselves into.

I have no idea what you are talking about. What corner?

He has asked over and over again for a specific example to prove it's happening. Going full well that it's a violation of Federal law to obtain and share information. Why on earth would you ask for something you know want be legally provided?

You guys on the left keep claiming it's not happening. When evidence is provided it is, then you demand specific information in order to further prove it is. Knowing full well it's a violation of Federal law.

Yes people do think that if you didn't you wouldn't be asking for evidence of it.

I think you were asking for numbers too. Do you think it's happening?

 

[SimplyMe]

I have no idea what you are talking about. What corner?

He has asked over and over again for a specific example to prove it's happening. Going full well that it's a violation of Federal law to obtain and share information. Why on earth would you ask for something you know want be legally provided?

You guys on the left keep claiming it's not happening. When evidence is provided it is, then you demand specific information in order to further prove it is. Knowing full well it's a violation of Federal law.

Yes people do think that if you didn't you wouldn't be asking for evidence of it.

I think you were asking for numbers too. Do you think it's happening?

This is a pretty weak argument. First, you can give specific examples without providing information that will identify the patient, such as the story that came out about a Boston hospital that allegedly provided breast removal surgery on a minor. But more to the point, specific stories don't really provide evidence. At best, it is one case, when we are being told these are happening daily.

There is no law against the statistics, it doesn't violate HIPPA or privacy rights of children. I think most here are just looking for the raw data, how many children had some type of "gender change" operation last year. If it is happening as frequently as you claim, it seems it should be easy to get some data about how often, and where -- statistics that don't violate any federal laws.

Instead what we get are these unconfirmed stories that can't be verified and don't actually show why the issue requires all the attention being given.