Tim Walz Signed Bill Making Minnesota a Sanctuary State for Child Sex-Changes

[Foamhead]

The JAMA link lumps the 12 - 18 year old statistics regardless of the procedure. The minimum age for any form of surgery is apparently 15 and usually top surgery. One can argue 15 is a tad young, but it is reversable. I ma unaware of an kids getting genital surgery despite people in this thread repeating it over and over and failing utterly to provide a single example whenever asked. It does also say the results are positive, which contradicts their own argument. It's always amusing to watch homophobes pick and choose from the exact same study what they want to believe.

 

[Servus]

No, a distinction without a difference is when you give two labels for exactly the same thing...I didn't do that. I asked where he got his medical degree, of which he has none, and is therefore unqualified to make declarations on medical procedures or anatomy. A non-sequitur is when you follow a statement with something irrelevant. Questioning someone's qualifications is not that remotely. But thanks for trying, professor.

He didn't say anything that would require a medical degree. And it looks like you're resorting to snark because you have nothing else to work with.

 

[Servus]

The JAMA link lumps the 12 - 18 year old statistics regardless of the procedure. The minimum age for any form of surgery is apparently 15 and usually top surgery. One can argue 15 is a tad young, but it is reversable. I ma unaware of an kids getting genital surgery despite people in this thread repeating it over and over and failing utterly to provide a single example whenever asked.

As always the answer to that is it's about putting a stop to it before it happens. If no one wanted it to happen, then lengthy arguments about it wouldn't be occurring.

It does also say the results are positive, which contradicts their own argument. It's always amusing to watch homophobes pick and choose from the exact same study what they want to believe.

The results are minimal and short term. The only way to get conclusive results is to go full procedure on a large scale and then wait ten to twenty years to see how it worked out.

 

[RileyG]

The JAMA link lumps the 12 - 18 year old statistics regardless of the procedure. The minimum age for any form of surgery is apparently 15 and usually top surgery. One can argue 15 is a tad young, but it is reversable. I ma unaware of an kids getting genital surgery despite people in this thread repeating it over and over and failing utterly to provide a single example whenever asked. It does also say the results are positive, which contradicts their own argument. It's always amusing to watch homophobes pick and choose from the exact same study what they want to believe.

Ah, yes, not wanting MINORS go through unnecessary surgery makes one homophobic or transphobic.

Cutting off healthy breasts of a female minor is completely unnecessary. Especially if she may be going through a phase.

That's not how that works.

They can make those decisions WHEN they are adults.

 

[Servus]

I see no reason to believe this.

You cry personal attack on a constant basis.

 

[Foamhead]

As always the answer to that is it's about putting a stop to it before it happens. If no one wanted it to happen, then lengthy arguments about it wouldn't be occurring.

The results are minimal and short term. The only way to get conclusive results is to go full procedure on a large scale and then wait ten to twenty years to see how it worked out.

Gender reassignment has been around since 1951 in it's modern form. So I think 70+ years meets that non-scientific threshold. You, rjs330, nor anyone else here are not doctors or scientists and therefore not qualified to make assessments on what is and isn't required for treatment of gender dysphoria. What you guys personally "feel" is right is totally irrelevant and not informed opinions.

He didn't say anything that would require a medical degree. And it looks like you're resorting to snark because you have nothing else to work with.

Saying one thing is the same as another in terms of medical science absolutely does require a medical degree. I'm not remotely interested in the opinions of trans/homophobic people or non-medical doctors who don't know squat about the subject other then they don't like it. Male and female anatomy is almost biologically identical and starts neutral during gestation until hormones cause them to differentiate. Their physical appearance may not seem as such, but that's the nice thing about actual science... they look at everything not just appearance. Gender reassignment surgery merely puts everything where it would have gone had the person been born biologically the other gender.

Even his example was particularly poor as a hand and foot are also biologically identical, it's called serial homology meaning they share the same genetic blueprint. Isn't science awesome?

 

[Servus]

Gender reassignment has been around since 1951 in it's modern form. So I think 70+ years meets that non-scientific threshold. You, nor they are doctors nor scientists and therefore not qualified to make assessments on what is and isn't required for treatment of gender dysphoria.

We're talking about gender reassignment on children. That's why it would take ten to twenty years to see how it worked out.

Saying one thing is the same as another in terms of medical science absolutely does require a medical degree.

That's absurd.

I'm not remotely interested in the opinions of trans/homophobic people or non-medical doctors who don't know squat about the subject other then they don't like it.

With a view like that, there's no point in participating here.

 

[RileyG]

You cry personal attack on a constant basis.

Especially when there is no personal attack other than a Christian stating their viewpoint and worldview. Quoting from scripture isn't an attack. Ugh.

 

[Foamhead]

With a view like that, there's no point in participating hehere.i have

I have a policy of only seriously engaging good faith actors. A good faith actor is someone who demonstrates a willingness to listen, objective look at the facts and respect for authoritative knowledge i.e. doctors, scientists etc...

That isn't the case here or in these anti-Trans hate threads. There is a saying that you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into, and this saying usually proves true.

There's no point in trying to present science, "what if" scenarios or appealing to non-existent compassion for the lgbt like many here attempt endlessly. I just sometimes interject on these subjects as an actual transgender person myself and then mozy on.

 

[Servus]

I have a policy of only seriously engaging good faith actors. A good faith actor is someone who demonstrates a willingness to listen, objective look at the facts and respect for authoritative knowledge i.e. doctors, scientists etc...

That isn't the case here or in these anti-Trans hate threads. There is a saying that you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into, and this saying usually proves true.

There's no point in trying to present science, "what if" scenarios or appealing to non-existent compassion for the lgbt like many here attempt endlessly. I just sometimes interject on these subjects as an actual transgender person myself and then mozy on.

We just don't want our children being messed with. That's where LGBTQQIP2SAA+ has gone too far and there's always going to be huge pushback against it.

 

[Bradskii]

Hope you brought a book to read while you're waiting.

-- A2SG, or a pillow if you need a nap...

Like I said, another day and there's nothing to discuss. This is apparently happening right left and centre and I've just asked for one single example and...zilch. Nada. Zero. Rien. Nowt. It's too early in the year for cicadas down here. So what can that chirping noise possibly be?

Do you need more time, @Hammster? Anyone? Cos all we've got right now is a link to a site that says that these surgeries are beneficial in many different ways.

 

[Foamhead]

We just don't want our children being messed with. That's where LGBTQQIP2SAA+ has gone too far and there's always going to be huge pushback against it.

Ladies and gents, this is why discussion is a waste of time.

 

[Hammster]

Like I said, another day and there's nothing to discuss. This is apparently happening right left and centre and I've just asked for one single example and...zilch. Nada. Zero. Rien. Nowt. It's too early in the year for cicadas down here. So what can that chirping noise possibly be?

Do you need more time, @Hammster? Anyone? Cos all we've got right now is a link to a site that says that these surgeries are beneficial in many different ways.

Of course there are some who think evil is necessary and good. That isn’t new.

 

[Servus]

Ladies and gents, this is why discussion is a waste of time.

You forgot to include nonbinaries.

 

[Bradskii]

Of course there are some who think evil is necessary and good. That isn’t new.

That was pretty random. I'd suggest that your time is better spent searching for a single example of something you say happens all the time.

 

[Bradskii]

Ladies and gents, this is why discussion is a waste of time.

Patience. It'll get worse. Keep the thread ticking over and you'll possibly get some home truths from some that will make you double check what forum you're on.

 

[BPPLEE]

That was pretty random. I'd suggest that your time is better spent searching for a single example of something you say happens all the time.

We have something called HIPAA that protects private health information so I don’t know how he would find it.

 

[Bradskii]

We have something called HIPAA that protects private health information so I don’t know how he would find it.

So are you saying that you won't be able to find any examples we could discuss where you could show that an operation of some sort was done unnecessarily?

 

[BPPLEE]

So are you saying that you won't be able to find any examples we could discuss where you could show that an operation of some sort was done unnecessarily?

Not unless someone wanted to share their experience but opinions vary on what is necessary.

 

[Bradskii]

Not unless someone wanted to share their experience but opinions vary on what is necessary.

So where do you get your information from that says these operations are not medically necessary? All you've given us so far is a link that gives some idea of the numbers and which said that they are invariably beneficial...

Where is your data?