Is God eventually going to punish evil humans ?

[MassimoTheChristian]

I don't think God is waiting. Not in waiting to punish people like its a walk down the corridore to the principles office to be punished. I think the punishment if you can call it that is happening all the time as a natural consequence of choice.

The bible is full of verses speaking about 'you reap what you sow' or the 'road to sin is death'. So as individuals we suffer for our sins but also as a society we also suffer our sins. We see this with how past choices come back to reap bad consequences a generation later.

I believe as God has been taken out from the public square as a society there has been a build up of choices that are coming back to haunt society. This generation of young people are the most mentally deranged and ill. We see divisions and hate and violence towards each other more and more. Which is further fracturing the foundations of law and order and this will lead to bad outcomes for everyone.

The current state of affairs did not happen overnight. This has been a buildup for sometimes. This is what society or I should say the State and elites wanted for sometime and have finally suceeded. But just as they think they have won the ideological war the foundations are beginning to shake and fall.

Just as Christ also said who we are individually and as a society depends on the foundations its built on. Modern secular society has rejected God as that foundation and order.

If the God of the bible is true then just like in how people even the Isrealites rejected God and bad things followed the same will happen the further society moves away from God. That could come across a range of areas like natural disasters, self inflicted diseases and mental trauma or the fallout from ideologies that defy Gods order.

When we stray from God we are not just rejecting His spiritual order but all order within nature, the universe and reality itself. That is why we are seeing the rise of such strange metaphysical ideas about human order and nature. Where reality is turned on its head. Where everything is relative and there is no truth. This opens the doors for all sorts of spirits and crazy ideas to enter the market place and take hold.

As a young adult I take absolute offense to your dehumanizing statement about Young Adults.

 

[Astrid]

If an omnipotent God creates a rule, but then breaks it, what then of said omnipotence?

He's more omnipotenter than a god what cant sin
or lie Iike the Christians say of theirs

 

[trophy33]

He's more omnipotenter than a god what cant sin
or lie Iike the Christians say of theirs

I think its a misunderstanding of the term.

In (Christian) theology, omnipotent means all-mighty. God has authority, power, over the whole creation.

It has little to do with moral corruption and various moral imperfections (like sin, lie, deceit) or with for example logical pitfalls ("can He create a triangle with four sides").

 

[Astrid]

Whoever tells you to do something I hope you question it internally.

I encountered an american who said he is waiting
for Word to start killing all the atheists.

Hang me, as an especially awful atheist
Asian alien.

 

[Astrid]

I think its a misunderstanding of the term.

In (Christian) theology, omnipotent means all-mighty. God has authority, power, over the whole creation.

It has little to do with moral corruption (like sin, lie, deceit) or with for example logical pitfalls ("can He create a triangle with four sides").

Who knows. People just choose what to believe.

 

[trophy33]

Who knows. People just choose what to believe.

Well, yeah, to some extend. However, there is also some common, mainstream way in Christianity, how the term has been understood and used.

 

[Astrid]

Well, yeah, to some extend. However, there is also some common, mainstream way in Christianity, how the term has been understood and used.

There is?

In any event, nobody knows if there even
is (are) any god(s).

So it is for sure just opinions, choices.

 

[trophy33]

There is?

I would say so. Omnipotence in the meaning of being a limitless ruler over the whole creation.

Which is a bit different thing from a technical, general omnipotence term.

When somebody says that God is not truly omnipotent, because He, for example, cannot experience fear, well, thats technically true, but not too related to the term in the context of theology. There are some things a perfect being cannot do, by definition.

 

[Tinker Grey]

I am not sure what role would a word play in this, but technically, I see no reason why not.

P.S. I am talking about God, i.e. the ultimate Creator, its hard for me to talk about "an" omnipotent being without any context or framework.

I used "word" since the god of the Bible "spoke" the universe into existence.

So, we can agree that God has the power to remove all evil people from the universe, yes? (And, for latecomers, my previous interlocutor disagreed for unspecified reasons.)

If so, this thread should address what reasons would God have for not doing so, yes?

 

[trophy33]

I used "word" since the god of the Bible "spoke" the universe into existence.

Well, if read very literally... and maybe even then rather not.

So, we can agree that God has the power to remove all evil people from the universe, yes? (And, for latecomers, my previous interlocutor disagreed for unspecified reasons.)

Yes.

If so, this thread should address what reasons would God have for not doing so, yes?

According to the thread title, it does not need to be so, according to the OP question, yes. Christian theological answers to this are so generally known that I doubt it can be answered in some new way here, though. They are easy to google or an AI will answer it with ease.

 

[Whyayeman]

Would you like to know? If you don't mind I will wait for some guesses before I make the revelation (no, not Revelation!)

I liked your Russell quote.

There is a good story about Bertrand Russell. He had a party to celebrate his ninetieth birthday and was asked how it felt to be ninety. His answer was: "Oh, to be eighty again!"

 

[Tinker Grey]

I liked your Russell quote.

There is a good story about Bertrand Russell. He had a party to celebrate his ninetieth birthday and was asked how it felt to be ninety. His answer was: "Oh, to be eighty again!"

You probably should have quoted @jayem instead of yourself.

 

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[pc_76]

It probably won't get to that but innocent people do suffer and die.

Optimistic, I guess. Some Christians do believe Revelation points to this happening.

 

[David Lamb]

He's more omnipotenter than a god what cant sin
or lie Iike the Christians say of theirs

Lying is a sin, so no need to say "lie or sin". Of course God can't sin, because sin is going against God. He'd have to go against His own nature and person to sin, so to say He can't sin is connected with the nature of sin, rather than any deficiency in God's omnipotence.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

If the God of the bible is true then just like in how people even the Isrealites rejected God and bad things followed the same will happen the further society moves away from God. That could come across a range of areas like natural disasters, self inflicted diseases and mental trauma or the fallout from ideologies that defy Gods order.

This implies that God is manipulating the laws of physics to cause harm to secular societies...

So why, allowing for natural variation in geological activity and weather patterns, etc., do we see so few differences in the number and severity of natural disasters, self-inflicted diseases, mental trauma, or "fallout from ideologies that defy God's order", between religious and secular societies?

The statistics seem to contradict your thesis.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

I would say so. Omnipotence in the meaning of being a limitless ruler over the whole creation.

Which is a bit different thing from a technical, general omnipotence term.

When somebody says that God is not truly omnipotent, because He, for example, cannot experience fear, well, thats technically true, but not too related to the term in the context of theology.

So, a theologically omnipotent God is omnipotent except for the things it can't do?

If God can't experience fear, then it isn't omniscient either...

There are some things a perfect being cannot do, by definition.

Can you define 'perfect' in this context?

 

[trophy33]

So, a theologically omnipotent God is omnipotent except for the things it can't do?

Omnipotence in (Christian) theology is not a philosophical omnipotence. It simply means that God has all the power over His creation. It does not mean things like "He can do logical paradoxes" etc.

If God can't experience fear, then it isn't omniscient either...

God experiencing fear would be a logical contradiction. God cannot experience fear by definition. Like He cannot sin by definition, He cannot make an error by definition etc.

Can you define 'perfect' in this context?

When we say that God is perfect, we mean He is without any deficiency. I think it is frequently also used in the meaning "without a limit in good things", like "His love is perfect".

 

[Whyayeman]

The every-day meanings do not apply, as in: 'Omnipotent': all-powerful. Only theologians suffer from this quandary. In ordinary usage 'Adequate': without deficiency is quite different in meaning. I think when it comes to theological words we enter a special zone where definitions become a bit elastic.

The question posed was whether God would interfere in the running of human affairs by obliterating the wicked. Well, it has not happened in millennia, if ever. Why would anybody expect this policy of non-interference to change?

(Of course to believe it could happen one must believe such a being exists. I don't.)

 

[David Lamb]

I don't think God is waiting. Not in waiting to punish people like its a walk down the corridore to the principles office to be punished. I think the punishment if you can call it that is happening all the time as a natural consequence of choice.

The bible is full of verses speaking about 'you reap what you sow' or the 'road to sin is death'. So as individuals we suffer for our sins but also as a society we also suffer our sins. We see this with how past choices come back to reap bad consequences a generation later.

I believe as God has been taken out from the public square as a society there has been a build up of choices that are coming back to haunt society. This generation of young people are the most mentally deranged and ill. We see divisions and hate and violence towards each other more and more. Which is further fracturing the foundations of law and order and this will lead to bad outcomes for everyone.

The current state of affairs did not happen overnight. This has been a buildup for sometimes. This is what society or I should say the State and elites wanted for sometime and have finally suceeded. But just as they think they have won the ideological war the foundations are beginning to shake and fall.

Just as Christ also said who we are individually and as a society depends on the foundations its built on. Modern secular society has rejected God as that foundation and order.

If the God of the bible is true then just like in how people even the Isrealites rejected God and bad things followed the same will happen the further society moves away from God. That could come across a range of areas like natural disasters, self inflicted diseases and mental trauma or the fallout from ideologies that defy Gods order.

When we stray from God we are not just rejecting His spiritual order but all order within nature, the universe and reality itself. That is why we are seeing the rise of such strange metaphysical ideas about human order and nature. Where reality is turned on its head. Where everything is relative and there is no truth. This opens the doors for all sorts of spirits and crazy ideas to enter the market place and take hold.

It is sometimes true that bad things happen to people who reject God, or who sin excessively, but we would surely be wrong to look at every bad thing that happens in the world and conclude that it happened because of some particular evil. I think of what Jesus said:

“1 ¶ There were present at that season some who told Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. 2 And Jesus answered and said to them, "Do you suppose that these Galileans were worse sinners than all [other] Galileans, because they suffered such things? 3 "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. 4 "Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all [other] men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 "I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish."” (Lu 13:1-5 NKJV)