Is God eventually going to punish evil humans ?

[Neogaia777]

This thread is evidence as to why He still waits.

God Bless.

 

[Astrid]

From a western rationalist standpoint this might seem reasonable, but everything is more connected than we might imagine.

That's a nonanswer to make a politician blush.

 

[Astrid]

Yes, but I don't know what he's waiting for.

You're asking the wrong question.

 

[pc_76]

The good news: we are all sinners
The bad news: we are all sinners

 

[RaymondG]

"23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord God: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?"

 

[stevevw]

And if so what's the wait for ? God could just snap his mighty fingers and boom all the evil people are erased out of existence I don't know why God simply won't do this.

I don't think God is waiting. Not in waiting to punish people like its a walk down the corridore to the principles office to be punished. I think the punishment if you can call it that is happening all the time as a natural consequence of choice.

The bible is full of verses speaking about 'you reap what you sow' or the 'road to sin is death'. So as individuals we suffer for our sins but also as a society we also suffer our sins. We see this with how past choices come back to reap bad consequences a generation later.

I believe as God has been taken out from the public square as a society there has been a build up of choices that are coming back to haunt society. This generation of young people are the most mentally deranged and ill. We see divisions and hate and violence towards each other more and more. Which is further fracturing the foundations of law and order and this will lead to bad outcomes for everyone.

The current state of affairs did not happen overnight. This has been a buildup for sometimes. This is what society or I should say the State and elites wanted for sometime and have finally suceeded. But just as they think they have won the ideological war the foundations are beginning to shake and fall.

Just as Christ also said who we are individually and as a society depends on the foundations its built on. Modern secular society has rejected God as that foundation and order.

If the God of the bible is true then just like in how people even the Isrealites rejected God and bad things followed the same will happen the further society moves away from God. That could come across a range of areas like natural disasters, self inflicted diseases and mental trauma or the fallout from ideologies that defy Gods order.

When we stray from God we are not just rejecting His spiritual order but all order within nature, the universe and reality itself. That is why we are seeing the rise of such strange metaphysical ideas about human order and nature. Where reality is turned on its head. Where everything is relative and there is no truth. This opens the doors for all sorts of spirits and crazy ideas to enter the market place and take hold.

 

[Tinker Grey]

From a western rationalist standpoint this might seem reasonable, but everything is more connected than we might imagine.

Are there things that an omnipotent being can't do? I don't care how "connected" something is, if your god can't do something, your god is not omnipotent.

Words have meaning.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

And if so what's the wait for ? God could just snap his mighty fingers and boom all the evil people are erased out of existence I don't know why God simply won't do this.

... I thought the 2 letter of Peter already answered this a few days ago.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Are there things that an omnipotent being can't do? I don't care how "connected" something is, if your god can't do something, your god is not omnipotent.

Words have meaning.

Words have meaning, but words from the Great Beyond are a different matter. I think we all know this.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Are there things that an omnipotent being can't do? I don't care how "connected" something is, if your god can't do something, your god is not omnipotent.

Words have meaning.

If an omnipotent God creates a rule, but then breaks it, what then of said omnipotence?

 

[Tinker Grey]

If an omnipotent God creates a rule, but then breaks it, what then of said omnipotence?

This doesn't address the point

 

[Gregory Thompson]

This doesn't address the point

It does however, just not according to your logical premise.

 

[Aaron112]

And if so what's the wait for ? God could just snap his mighty fingers and boom all the evil people are erased out of existence I don't know why God simply won't do this.

So many false ideas are daily published, taught by parents to children , by pastors and preachers and teachers to students, to the public by tens of thousands of vectors (sources).....

Instead, ask God.

 

[pc_76]

I don't think God is waiting. Not in waiting to punish people like its a walk down the corridore to the principles office to be punished. I think the punishment if you can call it that is happening all the time as a natural consequence of choice.

In the most extreme example, millions of relatively innocent people would have to die in a nuclear war and every plant and living thing will be destroyed and irradiated, all because of a relative very few wicked powerful people and they have fooled the gullible to be dumb enough to blindly support them. But hey, it doesn't matter how tragic the event is or how many people are lost or tormented, as long as it's for God's bigger plan, right?

 

[pc_76]

Are there things that an omnipotent being can't do? I don't care how "connected" something is, if your god can't do something, your god is not omnipotent.

Words have meaning.

"Can" is different from "will".

 

[Tinker Grey]

"Can" is different from "will".

Yup. I never said otherwise. An omnipotent certainly could will to not do something. But if you read my exchange with my interlocutor, the argument was about "can".

 

[jayem]

I lean towards #1. It is the simplest answer.

Here is something I read the other day. Points for anybody who can identify their author:

I have never felt the need for religious faith to help me comprehend and deal with the world. However, I understand that for many people religion provides a moral anchor and seems essential. And, in my view, the private faith of anyone is nobody’s business except that of the individual concerned. I have no issue with religion when it occupies this private space and doesn’t seek to impose its values on others. But when religion becomes politicised, even weaponised, then it’s everybody’s business, because of its capacity for harm.​

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When people call for divine intervention in the lives of the non-religious it strikes me as a form of politicising or weaponising religion, though the writer was more concerned about direct action by religious zealots.

I think perhaps calling for the death of 'evil' people is a nod towards temporal justice rather than divine.

Good quote. I don't know its origin, but I agree fully with the message. Here are two of my favorite quotes that are somewhat similar:

“Religion is based primarily upon fear. It is partly the terror of the unknown and partly as the wish to feel that you have a kind of elder brother who will stand by you in all your troubles and disputes. Fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand.​

---Bertrand Russell

Men never do evil as cheerfully and as completely as when they do it from religious conviction.

---Blaise Pascal (a lifelong Catholic)

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[Whyayeman]

Good quote. I don't know its origin, but I agree fully with the message. Here are two of my favorite quotes that are somewhat similar:

“Religion is based primarily upon fear. It is partly the terror of the unknown and partly as the wish to feel that you have a kind of elder brother who will stand by you in all your troubles and disputes. Fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand.​

---Bertrand Russell

Men never do evil as cheerfully and as completely as when they do it from religious conviction.

---Blaise Pascal (a lifelong Catholic)

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Would you like to know? If you don't mind I will wait for some guesses before I make the revelation (no, not Revelation!)

 

[Bradskii]

Instead, ask God.

Whoever tells you to do something I hope you question it internally.

 

[MassimoTheChristian]

In the most extreme example, millions of relatively innocent people would have to die in a nuclear war and every plant and living thing will be destroyed and irradiated, all because of a relative very few wicked powerful people and they have fooled the gullible to be dumb enough to blindly support them. But hey, it doesn't matter how tragic the event is or how many people are lost or tormented, as long as it's for God's bigger plan, right?

It probably won't get to that but innocent people do suffer and die.