Trump tells Christians their 'religion will be in tatters' if Biden wins: 'We answer to God in Heaven'

[iarwain]

It's exactly what you said, he keeps his religious views and his views on the application of secular separate.

That doesn't address what I said. Besides, why support abortion until birth, which is what Biden and the Democrats support? Why not something more middle of the road, which is what American people actually favor? Like a 15 week restriction?

 

[iarwain]

That would be the difference between a normal politician and a compulsive liar like Donald Trump.

You seriously don't think Biden is a compulsive liar?

 

[BPPLEE]

It doesn't have to. The breath of life was breathed into the original man and no baby can stay alive unless it is able to breathe is that not correct? We are created in the womb but made alive by God. Does that make any sense? I say this also because quite often a fetus will be carried to term but they are never capable of taking a breath, even after receiving aid from a respirator. God stitches us together in the womb but it is at birth we are made alive as an independent human.

Yes it takes a breath of readily available air.
God doesn't breathe into anyone.

 

[The Barbarian]

If Biden truly respected his Catholicism, then he would not receive Holy Communion until he sincerely repents. That's my honest opinion.

The issue iimplies that a Catholic cannot be president. Biden is forbidden by the Constitution from asserting his religion in his duties. On the other hand, this is different than a merely moral question of religious beliefs. If Catholics are right, as I believe we are, then conception defines a new human life, which is sacred. And it's not merely an immorality, it's the killing of another human.

We have no right to compel people to be good, but we have a responsibility to protect the rights and lives of other humans.

It's a dilemma in the real sense. I don't know the answer, unless it's to avoid the very occasion to have to make that choice.

 

[The Barbarian]

You seriously don't think Biden is a compulsive liar?

Perhaps you don't know what a compulsive liar is. What do you think defines a compulsive liar? Hint, it's not just telling lies from time to time.

 

[RileyG]

The issue iimplies that a Catholic cannot be president. Biden is forbidden by the Constitution from asserting his religion in his duties. On the other hand, this is different than a merely moral question of religious beliefs. If Catholics are right, as I believe we are, then conception defines a new human life, which is sacred. And it's not merely an immorality, it's the killing of another human.

We have no right to compel people to be good, but we have a responsibility to protect the rights and lives of other humans.

It's a dilemma in the real sense. I don't know the answer, unless it's to avoid the very occasion to have to make that choice.

No, I did not imply that.

In other words, you believe all life is sacred and should be protected? Do I understand you correctly?

 

[iarwain]

Perhaps you don't know what a compulsive liar is. What do you think defines a compulsive liar? Hint, it's not just telling lies from time to time.

Biden has habitually and consistently lied for decades.

 

[The Barbarian]

Biden has habitually and consistently lied for decades.

Perhaps you don't know what a compulsive liar is. What do you think defines a compulsive liar? Hint, it's not just telling lies from time to time.

 

[The Barbarian]

In other words, you believe all life is sacred and should be protected? Do I understand you correctly?

All human life. Additionally, I believe God wants us to respect all other living things and to never kill needlessly. The point is, there is a human life there, already a unique person, with a biological gender, at the moment of conception. I can't prove scientifically that there is a living soul at that time, but I have God's word on it.

Which is good enough for me.

 

[rturner76]

This isn't a religious issue, it's the difference between right and wrong. Is robbing banks also a religious issue?

Often people decide what is right and wrong based on their religious view like you are on this issue by tying abortion to Catholicism.

You're right, I'm not Biden's judge. However, actions speak louder than words.

So in his actions, has he had an abortion or paid for onr to the best of your knowledge. Remember we have a secular government, not a theocracy like Sauda Arabia for example. As the leader of a secular government, the President is obligated to follow the will of the people, not his personal religion.

If Biden truly respected his Catholicism, then he would not receive Holy Communion until he sincerely repents. That's my honest opinion.

Why would he need to do that if he never had or paid for an abortion? Remember secular law by the will of the people.

 

[rturner76]

That doesn't address what I said. Besides, why support abortion until birth, which is what Biden and the Democrats support? Why not something more middle of the road, which is what American people actually favor? Like a 15 week restriction?

From my understanding not many people support late-term abortion.

 

[rturner76]

Yes it takes a breath of readily available air.
God doesn't breathe into anyone.

Well, according to Genesis, he breathed the breath of life into Adam. Why would he deny Adam's offspring the same breath?

 

[rturner76]

And it's not merely an immorality, it's the killing of another human.

It's the killing of a potential human. We are not independent life until we can breathe. An embryo is a sack of cells that have the potential of becoming a human life.

 

[RileyG]

Often people decide what is right and wrong based on their religious view like you are on this issue by tying abortion to Catholicism.

So in his actions, has he had an abortion or paid for onr to the best of your knowledge. Remember we have a secular government, not a theocracy like Sauda Arabia for example. As the leader of a secular government, the President is obligated to follow the will of the people, not his personal religion.

Why would he need to do that if he never had or paid for an abortion? Remember secular law by the will of the people.

#1. Fair enough

#2. This isn’t about religion. It’s NOT a religious issue. It’s about protecting ALL people, including the unborn.

#3. He publicly supports abortion, therefore he should abstain so not to cause scandal to the faithful. Simple.

 

[iarwain]

From my understanding not many people support late-term abortion.

You're right, but the Democrats want no restrictions.

 

[BPPLEE]

Well, according to Genesis, he breathed the breath of life into Adam. Why would he deny Adam's offspring the same breath?

Show me where in the Bible it says that. Not your speculation or what you want it to say, what the Bible actually says. Where does it say God breathes the breath of life into anyone else other than Adam?

 

[rturner76]

#2. This isn’t about religion. It’s NOT a religious issue. It’s about protecting ALL people, including the unborn.

Does that include those on death row? Because the Catholic Church allows execution. So is all life really sacred to the Church?

#3. He publicly supports abortion, therefore he should abstain so not to cause scandal to the faithful. Simple.

Ok, so you do have evidence that Biden has paid for a woman's abortion? If not, he has not acted in sin but did his job as the President of a secular judgment. You may want to save your judgement of Christians for your own sins.

You're right, but the Democrats want no restrictions.

Not many do, just the most extreme of them. Most don't support aborting a viable fetus.

Show me where in the Bible it says that. Not your speculation or what you want it to say, what the Bible actually says. Where does it say God breathes the breath of life into anyone else other than Adam?

Here is a place where Jesus breathes the Holy Spirit onto his followers. zzzzzzzzjohm 20:22 is the breath of life in a different context but regard;ess, that is how the original man was made alive. Later, the breath of life was given to give spiritual life to his followers
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

The real question is can a baby or any other human live without the ability to breathe? Does God allow people to breathe and not others? Logic would dictate that the ability to breathe is a gift from God or are we able to breathe without God granting us the ability? I don't think we grant it to ourselves.

 

[BPPLEE]

Does that include those on death row? Because the Catholic Church allows execution. So is all life really sacred to the Church?

Ok, so you do have evidence that Biden has paid for a woman's abortion? If not, he has not acted in sin but did his job as the President of a secular judgment. You may want to save your judgement of Christians for your own sins.

Not many do, just the most extreme of them. Most don't support aborting a viable fetus.

Here is a place where Jesus breathes the Holy Spirit onto his followers. zzzzzzzzjohm 20:22 is the breath of life in a different context but regard;ess, that is how the original man was made alive. Later, the breath of life was given to give spiritual life to his followers
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

The real question is can a baby or any other human live without the ability to breathe? Does God allow people to breathe and not others? Logic would dictate that the ability to breathe is a gift from God or are we able to breathe without God granting us the ability? I don't think we grant it to ourselves.

The example has nothing to do with a baby taking his first breath.
You still haven't answered the question

 

[BPPLEE]

It's the killing of a potential human. We are not independent life until we can breathe. An embryo is a sack of cells that have the potential of becoming a human life.

Keep telling yourself that. I know that makes you feel better

 

[RileyG]

Does that include those on death row? Because the Catholic Church allows execution. So is all life really sacred to the Church?

Ok, so you do have evidence that Biden has paid for a woman's abortion? If not, he has not acted in sin but did his job as the President of a secular judgment. You may want to save your judgement of Christians for your own sins.

Not many do, just the most extreme of them. Most don't support aborting a viable fetus.

Here is a place where Jesus breathes the Holy Spirit onto his followers. zzzzzzzzjohm 20:22 is the breath of life in a different context but regard;ess, that is how the original man was made alive. Later, the breath of life was given to give spiritual life to his followers
21 Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” 22 And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone's sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

The real question is can a baby or any other human live without the ability to breathe? Does God allow people to breathe and not others? Logic would dictate that the ability to breathe is a gift from God or are we able to breathe without God granting us the ability? I don't think we grant it to ourselves.

#1. No. The Church HAS ACTUALLY spoken against the death penalty.
#2. So? He publicly supports it. That's all. He has no right to receive Holy Communion without public repentance. Period.