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Trump tells Christians their 'religion will be in tatters' if Biden wins: 'We answer to God in Heaven'

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You as a Catholic are advocating for something the Church does not teach. You are not allowed to be your own pope. Read the Catechism. It might clarify some issues for you. Do you think that those in the womb do not receive oxygen in the womb? We need to be careful of the witness we give. You can’t straddle the fence.
I don't thinl I advocated for abortion. What I said was there is a difference between a religious belief and a secular belief. I don't think you will be able to quote where I have stated that abortion was right, just that there is a difference in religious belief and secular law.
 
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He believes in a secular government. So while he may disagree with abortion for religious reasons, he knows how to separate secular issues from religious ones.
Keeping his religious views separate from the government is one thing. But if he doesn't personally believe in abortion, I find it hard to believe that he would argue so forcefully and passionately in favor of it as he has, while disparaging those who are pro life.
 
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I don't thinl I advocated for abortion. What I said was there is a difference between a religious belief and a secular belief. I don't think you will be able to quote where I have stated that abortion was right, just that there is a difference in religious belief and secular law.
That’s one thing but you said you do not believe a child is a child until they take a breath. That’s false. And- abortion it’s not taking the life of a child because of that view. That’s a secular view you are pretty much defending as a Catholic.
 
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Former President Donald Trump told a national gathering of Christian conservative activists Saturday not to let the secular left "silence" and "shame" them in a bid to keep them from voting, saying Christianity would be in "tatters" if President Joe Biden is reelected.

On Saturday, Trump addressed the Faith & Freedom Coalition's Road to Majority conference in Washington, D.C., encouraging attendees to do all they can to encourage fellow Christians to vote in the upcoming November election, bemoaning that not all Christians vote.

"We need Christians to turn out in the largest numbers ever to tell Crooked Joe Biden … 'Joe, you're fired,'" said Trump, the 2024 presumptive Republican nominee for president.

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Trump will have to face God and explain why he is everything Jesus told us not to be.
 
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Comes down to evidence. Trump obviously. Biden, not so much.

I'd be open to further evidence, of course.
Are you wanting an example of a Biden lie, or are you wanting to count up each individual lie of Trump's and Biden's and compare them? Because the latter sounds like an incredible waste of time, given that they both lie plenty.
 
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Former President Donald Trump told a national gathering of Christian conservative activists Saturday not to let the secular left "silence" and "shame" them in a bid to keep them from voting, saying Christianity would be in "tatters" if President Joe Biden is reelected.

On Saturday, Trump addressed the Faith & Freedom Coalition's Road to Majority conference in Washington, D.C., encouraging attendees to do all they can to encourage fellow Christians to vote in the upcoming November election, bemoaning that not all Christians vote.

"We need Christians to turn out in the largest numbers ever to tell Crooked Joe Biden … 'Joe, you're fired,'" said Trump, the 2024 presumptive Republican nominee for president.

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Wasn't he trying to curry favor with the LGBT groups in another speech? And prior to becoming the Republican candidate, attempted to become the libertarian candidate?

It sounds like he just "says stuff"
 
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Wasn't he trying to curry favor with the LGBT groups in another speech? And prior to becoming the Republican candidate, attempted to become the libertarian candidate?

It sounds like he just "says stuff"
All politician “say stuff”. I’m sick of all of them.
 
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I am also against murdering children. The thing you are confused about is that a fetus is not a child until it is born. A fetus is not a child. A child is a baby that has been born is a child. Before that, it is a fetus. You seem to be confused about the difference between a child and a fetus
Fetus is latin for "little one." Embryo comes from the greek word for fetus. With all due respect, sir, the Catholic Church teaches that life begins at conception and this issue is non-negotiable. Plenty of secular people and atheist are pro-life.

Biden mocks and insults Catholics by claiming to be a faithful Catholic while advocating for the death of millions of babies in the womb. It's an embarrassment, in my opinion.
 
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Wasn't he trying to curry favor with the LGBT groups in another speech? And prior to becoming the Republican candidate, attempted to become the libertarian candidate?

It sounds like he just "says stuff"
I think Trump considers same-sex marriages and adoption a settled issue and won't try to change anything. That's what I recall.
 
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Keeping his religious views separate from the government is one thing. But if he doesn't personally believe in abortion, I find it hard to believe that he would argue so forcefully and passionately in favor of it as he has, while disparaging those who are pro life.
It's exactly what you said, he keeps his religious views and his views on the application of secular separate.
 
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That’s one thing but you said you do not believe a child is a child until they take a breath. That’s false. And- abortion it’s not taking the life of a child because of that view. That’s a secular view you are pretty much defending as a Catholic.
It also says in the Bible that Adam wasn't made alive until he received the breath of life in his nose. So while I understand the Church's view and do not personally support abortion, I believe that the Bible on it's own indicates that the breath of life is required. We don't support abortion because of the potential for a life but life can't be made manifest until a person breathes. While a fetus is viable in the womb it needs to breathe in order to live outside of the womb.
 
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Okay, where in the Bible does it say that God breathed the breath of life into anyone else?
It doesn't have to. The breath of life was breathed into the original man and no baby can stay alive unless it is able to breathe is that not correct? We are created in the womb but made alive by God. Does that make any sense? I say this also because quite often a fetus will be carried to term but they are never capable of taking a breath, even after receiving aid from a respirator. God stitches us together in the womb but it is at birth we are made alive as an independent human.
 
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Fetus is latin for "little one." Embryo comes from the greek word for fetus. With all due respect, sir, the Catholic Church teaches that life begins at conception and this issue is non-negotiable. Plenty of secular people and atheist are pro-life.

Biden mocks and insults Catholics by claiming to be a faithful Catholic while advocating for the death of millions of babies in the womb. It's an embarrassment, in my opinion.
You are right a fetus is a little one but it can't breathe until it is granted the breath of life. I understand that the Church teaches that life begins in the womb and it does, however, it is not made manifest until it breathes. Can a human live outside of the womb if it can't breathe? I am personally against abortion but I understand how in a secular country, women would be granted the right to be in control of their reproductive rights. I can also see why a Christian may believe that an independent life begins with the ability to breathe. I don't think the issue is black and white. I can believe it's wrong without requiring everyone to think it's wrong. If that makes me a bad Catholic I still trust that God will forgive me. Especially because I am not a woman and will never be faced with that choice.

Also, I disagree that Biden "mocks and insults" Catholics. You are not his judge and one can disagree with a tenant of Catholicism and still believe in the sacraments. Especially if they are elected to represent both Christians and non-Christians. He is a public servant of a secular government.
 
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You are right a fetus is a little one but it can't breathe until it is granted the breath of life. I understand that the Church teaches that life begins in the womb and it does, however, it is not made manifest until it breathes. Can a human live outside of the womb if it can't breathe? I am personally against abortion but I understand how in a secular country, women would be granted the right to be in control of their reproductive rights. I can also see why a Christian may believe that an independent life begins with the ability to breathe. I don't think the issue is black and white. I can believe it's wrong without requiring everyone to think it's wrong. If that makes me a bad Catholic I still trust that God will forgive me. Especially because I am not a woman and will never be faced with that choice.

Also, I disagree that Biden "mocks and insults" Catholics. You are not his judge and one can disagree with a tenant of Catholicism and still believe in the sacraments. Especially if they are elected to represent both Christians and non-Christians. He is a public servant of a secular government.
I completely disagree. It's a life in development that deserves protection. No women should have the "right" to kill her offspring just because she wants to. That's selfish. I'm also not a woman, but AM a former fetus.

This isn't a religious issue, it's the difference between right and wrong. Is robbing banks also a religious issue?

You're right, I'm not Biden's judge. However, actions speak louder than words.

If Biden truly respected his Catholicism, then he would not receive Holy Communion until he sincerely repents. That's my honest opinion.
 
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Are you wanting an example of a Biden lie, or are you wanting to count up each individual lie of Trump's and Biden's and compare them?
That would be the difference between a normal politician and a compulsive liar like Donald Trump.

Because the latter sounds like an incredible waste of time, given that they both lie plenty.

Trump’s false or misleading claims total 30,573 over 4 years


Seems like a huge number even for a politician.
 
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