The UK is now a dangerous place to visit?

[Larniavc]

The EDL are not "chumps" by their own account...and they are in the UK, too, while you are not.

The EDL are right wing racist thugs. I live in the UK. I've seen the poison these people peddle. They hate black and brown people. That's all there is to it. Racism; pure and simple.

 

[RDKirk]

Incorrect. He was born in Cardiff. Why are some people on this site so willing to listen to lies without the most remedial of fact checking.

2024 Southport stabbings - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Shame on you and everyone else who can be bothered with the truth.

" Axel Rudakubana, a 17-year-old British citizen born in Cardiff to parents from Rwanda,"

You're right on that point, but it doesn't actually change my point. As I said, we still don't know his politics, and it's foolish to think terrorism based on alien politics is never home-grown.

 

[RDKirk]

The EDL are right wing racist thugs. I live in the UK. I've seen the poison these people peddle. They hate black and brown people. That's all there is to it. Racism; pure and simple.

Why wasn't this a problem so great 50 years ago?

I don't have a dog in that particular fight, but as an intelligence analyst, I'm bound to ask, "Has it always been that way? What has changed?"

It doesn't solve a cultural problem merely to say, "They're just evil." That's for jingoistic populists, not for solving human problems in the real world. Everyone is reactionary...what are they reacting to and why?

 

[Larniavc]

British media is not any less politically biased than US media,

It totally is. We have actual laws that scrutinise our media.

here are "far right" groups popping up across Europe, but unlike in the US, these groups do not seem to be as broadly "right wing"

This is entirely incorrect. They are right wing organisations. Please look them up. Please review the video I posted up thread. The caller in that video is a typical EDL thug with little more than a heat filled sponge between his ears.

 

[Adam56]

So can someone tell me in a nutshell what's the thing that's caused all this rising up of protest in the UK? Do the protestors have unified goal....what are they trying to accomplish?

Anti Eurabia.

 

[Larniavc]

Why wasn't this a problem so great 50 years ago?

It was! Consider this. "If you want a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] for a neighbour, vote Liberal or Labour". That was a political slogan in the UK in the mid 1960s.

England in 1966: Racism and ignorance in the Midlands

Fifty years ago a groundbreaking documentary shone a spotlight on to a West Midlands town as racial tensions reached boiling point.

www.bbc.com

Please educate yourself before opining on this matter; you clearly have done sub-optimal research into it.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The world is much different now than in the past - more people - strained resources. Think what you want ... but what I say about the Muslim/Islamic intent is true and they won't change.

When we say that Islam will dominate the world, we mean as a political system, as the messenger Muhammad (saw) prophesised that the authority on earth will belong to the Muslims, i.e. the believers will be in power and the Sharee’ah of Islam will be implemented in every corner of the earth

(full article here) - duatt_how-islam-will-dominate-the-world_03-10-20.pdf

That's not a proper link, but I did find what I think you were trying to post.

It's just a claim by someone else's religion about how they are going to be top dog because it is ordained by their god. I have no reason to accept their claim, I don't know why you would accept their claim of domination if you don't accept their god. Similarly I have no reason to accept the claims of your religion about the end of the world.

 

[RDKirk]

It totally is. We have actual laws that scrutinise our media.

Well, I'm going to throw out the flag on that one, because I've certainly seen enough of British liberal government control of media to know that's false.

This is entirely incorrect. They are right wing organisations. Please look them up. Please review the video I posted up thread. The caller in that video is a typical EDL thug with little more than a heat filled sponge between his ears.

"They are right wing organizations" doesn't disprove my point. So...they are organized. Organization does not, in itself, make them evil. I'll bet there is an organized Communist Party in the UK as well.

What are they reacting to?

 

[Bradskii]

Why wasn't this a problem so great 50 years ago?

It was. It just wasn't so overt. When I was in my late teens I don't think I knew anyone (and I'm including myself) who wasn't what we would definitely describe as being racist. Likewise homophobic and sexist. And again, I'm including myself.

There were many Pakistani immigrants at the time and a fun night out might have included some (forgive me for using the term) Paki-bashing. That is if you couldn't find someone who you thought was gay. Thankfully the crowd I ran with never sank that low. But there but for the grace of God...

 

[d taylor]

Take away the right wing thugs and you take away the violence.

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So how is that done without violence from your side.

 

[RDKirk]

It was. It just wasn't so overt. When I was in my late teens I don't think I knew anyone (and I'm including myself) who wasn't what we would definitely describe as being racist. Likewise homophobic and sexist. And again, I'm including myself.

There were many Pakistani immigrants at the time and a fun night out might have included some (forgive me for using the term) Paki-bashing. That is if you couldn't find someone who you thought was gay. Thankfully the crowd I ran with never sank that low. But there but for the grace of God...

You've just said it was not such a problem 50 years ago. What is happening today was not happening at the scale it is today.

So, what has changed? What are they reacting to now?

 

[Larniavc]

Organization does not, in itself, make them evil.

What they do makes them evil. Being racist makes them evil. Using the murder of three little girls to further their aims makes them evil. Terrorising British citizens who happen to be black or brown makers them evil.

 

[Larniavc]

What are they reacting to?

Who knows why racist hate people who don't look like them? Some people are wired to be vicious thugs.

 

[Larniavc]

but as an intelligence analyst, I'm bound to ask,

Then analyse the information that you have at you finger tips and stop posting inaccurate information. Please.

 

[RDKirk]

What they do makes them evil. Being racist makes them evil. Using the murder of three little girls to further their aims makes them evil. Terrorising British citizens who happen to be black or brown makers them evil.

Who knows why racist hate people who don't look like them? Some people are wired to be vicious thugs.

Then analyse the information that you have at you finger tips and stop posting inaccurate information. Please.

That's not information, that's just a diatribe.

 

[wing2000]

So can someone tell me in a nutshell what's the thing that's caused all this rising up of protest in the UK? Do the protestors have unified goal....what are they trying to accomplish?

The current wave of rioting was instigated by far-right media/Russian propaganda outlets (deliberately, I would assume) misidentifying the suspect in a recent stabbing attack as a Muslim asylum seeker.

A Welsh young man killed three children with a knife. Many people on the internet began to post deliberate falsehoods that were then uncritically reposted by people didn't do the most remedial fact checking. Specifically the murders where done by an asylum seeker who was on a terrorist watch list who was ignored because of his browness.

The the EDL a band of right wing thugs started rioting. Protesting against brown and black people and Muslims. Various thrill seekers and opportunistic criminal started looting. Libraries, hotels and religious buildings were attacked, burned and ruined.

...as I recall, there was a thread on this forum misrepresenting the facts.

You know who wins when people fail to vet information or fall for titles intented to inflame? Vladimir Putin. He loves to see groups within Western democracies turn on each other.

 

[Bradskii]

You've just said it was not such a problem 50 years ago. What is happening today was not happening at the scale it is today.

So, what has changed? What are they reacting to now?

I think it's more organised. And there's more immigration. The only people I saw when I was late teens that were foreign born were the waiters in the local Indian or Chinese restaurant. That was certainly true where I grew up in South Wales. So if you were racist then there wasn't a lot of opportunity to be racist. But now, if you're doing it tough and maybe out of work (and after quite a few dire years under the Conservatives, that's a lot of people), then it's easy to pick immigrants as people who are taking the jobs. Causing your problems. So 'we don't want them here'. Where 'them' means anyone who looks like they were born overseas.

Their religion, their colour, their place of origin, why they are there, what they contribute, how long they have been there doesn't really concern most of these thugs. They are just 'them'. And they don't want 'them'. It's xenophobia plain and simply. Uber nationalism.

Time was when you saw someone walking down the street waving the Union flag it was celebrating the anniversary of D Day or something similar. Now it's a sign of a far right demonstration.

 

[RileyG]

It is certainly a consideration if you are black or brown. The EDL have been stopping cars in towns if the driver is black or brown and assaulting them.

It’s awful some of my friends are afraid to come to work on public transport.

That’s horrible!

 

[Adam56]

 

[RDKirk]

""A riot is the language of the unheard" -- Martin Luther King