Louisiana classrooms now required by law to display the Ten Commandments

[RileyG]

I don't know about "the left" but I object to it for religious reasons.

What about those who oppose BLM (as an organization) or pride flags for religious reasons? Do they have a right to speak up and say it’s wrong?

It goes both ways, you know?

 

[essentialsaltes]

What about those who oppose BLM (as an organization) or pride flags for religious reasons? Do they have a right to speak up and say it’s wrong?

It's a free country.

But these messages are not in and of themselves religious ones. So it is not a case of government endorsement of religion.

 

[RileyG]

It's a free country.

But these messages are not in and of themselves religious ones. So it is not a case of government endorsement of religion.

Why not focus on education instead of a political agenda?

That makes no sense.

If you’re fine with that, then it should be ok for people who oppose those organizations to put signs up in public schools too.

Further, the Ten Commandments shouldn’t be in public schools either.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Why not focus on education instead of a political agenda?
If you’re fine with that, then it should be ok for people who oppose those organizations to put signs up in public schools too.

Teachers have a certain amount of freedom of speech in their roles in the classroom.
Obviously this applies to all teachers of all views.

Further, the Ten Commandments shouldn’t be in public schools either.

Right, and that's the actual topic of the OP. The state is mandating it everywhere. This is not a case of individual free speech, but a legal requirement to do something that's, on the face of it, unconstitutional.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Political propaganda? Wait, remind me again who is using the force of law to mandate all classrooms in the state present a certain message?

Certainly not the people who voluntarily try to push their beliefs on students. At least this was done openly and not underhandedly like the leftists and teachers (read leftists again) union.

Or trying to use the force of law to ban a particular message from all classrooms in the state?

Once more, doing it openly and not crawling under the tables like leftists.

 

[BCP1928]

Most leftists make that claim, most libs do to.

Really? What religions do they base their objections on?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Really? What religions do they base their objections on?

They don't. They don't have the courage to espouse religious beliefs. The 'hive' might ostracize them for being sacrilegious.

 

[BCP1928]

What about those who oppose BLM (as an organization) or pride flags for religious reasons? Do they have a right to speak up and say it’s wrong?

It goes both ways, you know?

I think we have done so, throughout this thread. Here and In the wider world, I see people opposing the bill for religious reasons. I also see people who are supporting it for religious reasons,

 

[essentialsaltes]

Certainly not the people who voluntarily try

Oh no, individuals making use of their freedom!

Once more, doing it openly

Legally-mandated government propaganda in classrooms is certainly doing it openly, but I don't see that it redounds to anyone's credit.

 

[RileyG]

Teachers have a certain amount of freedom of speech in their roles in the classroom.
Obviously this applies to all teachers of all views.

Right, and that's the actual topic of the OP. The state is mandating it everywhere. This is not a case of individual free speech, but a legal requirement to do something that's, on the face of it, unconstitutional.

Correct, I agree.

 

[RileyG]

I think we have done so, throughout this thread. Here and In the wider world, I see people opposing the bill for religious reasons. I also see people who are supporting it for religious reasons,

Separation of Church and state. Simple.

 

[BCP1928]

They don't. They don't have the courage to espouse religious beliefs. The 'hive' might ostracize them for being sacrilegious.

Then how can they have religious objections?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Oh no, individuals making use of their freedom!

Against a captive audience of schoolchildren......WOW such brave 'FREEDOM' fighters.......sorry, but that's pretty shallow.

Legally-mandated government propaganda in classrooms is certainly doing it openly, but I don't see that it redounds to anyone's credit.

But teachers pushing their garbage beliefs on captive schoolchildren.......oh yeah, that's real credit to their beliefs and courage......I'm impressed.....NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[civilwarbuff]

Then how can they have religious objections?

They don't simply because they don't have the courage to espouse them publicly.......the leftist hive would disapprove......they would be ostracized until they repented of their blasphemous Christian beliefs......As Jesus said:

Revelation 3:15-17​

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15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth. 17 You say, ‘I am rich; I have acquired wealth and do not need a thing.’ But you do not realize that you are wretched, pitiful, poor, blind and naked.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Louisiana's 2020 Teacher of the Year is trying to block the state's Ten Commandments law​

Dier's suit says the law, referred to by its legislative bill number HB71, targets children with a religious message and “conscripts” teachers into displaying it in violation of First Amendment language forbidding government establishment of religion and guaranteeing religious liberty.

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A previous suit is ongoing. A judge has blocked implementation of the law in the five parishes where the plaintiff live in that case.

 

[Astrid]

Louisiana's 2020 Teacher of the Year is trying to block the state's Ten Commandments law​

Dier's suit says the law, referred to by its legislative bill number HB71, targets children with a religious message and “conscripts” teachers into displaying it in violation of First Amendment language forbidding government establishment of religion and guaranteeing religious liberty.

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A previous suit is ongoing. A judge has blocked implementation of the law in the five parishes where the plaintiff live in that case.

It will never be implemented.

What is your purpose in posting this non- news?

 

[Hans Blaster]

It will never be implemented.

What is your purpose in posting this non- news?

On what basis do you assess that HB71 will never be implemented? There are certainly more than five parishes in Louisiana. This doesn't block it in the other parishes. This is also in the 5th circuit, which has no regard for the precedent generally and the establishment clause specifically.

 

[Astrid]

On what basis do you assess that HB71 will never be implemented? There are certainly more than five parishes in Louisiana. This doesn't block it in the other parishes. This is also in the 5th circuit, which has no regard for the precedent generally and the establishment clause specifically.

Sometimes I think I understand USA better than I actually do.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Sometimes I think I understand USA better than I actually do.

welcome to the club

 

[The Liturgist]

There is an extreme benefit to this sort of legislation, and so my view is that the lawsuit should be thrown out as a matter of public policy, since belief in God is consistent with the national interests of the United States, and we need to de-emphasize the prevalent nihilism, which has taken over our society and resulted in an increasingly corrupt and materialist culture devoid of traditional moral values.