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Louisiana classrooms now required by law to display the Ten Commandments

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All right, we're getting somewhere now.

The Declaration of Independence was legitimately enacted because the Second Continental Congress was the legitimate government because it was legitimately founded by the Declaration of Independence.
 
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All right, we're getting somewhere now.

The Declaration of Independence was legitimately enacted because the Second Continental Congress was the legitimate government because it was legitimately founded by the Declaration of Independence.
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But it protects the rights of future victims from a vicious predator.
My point was that if “we the people” can deprive someone of an unalienable right, it’s not unalienable.
 
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My point was that if “we the people” can deprive someone of an unalienable right, it’s not unalienable.
So are you asserting that there is no such thing as unalienable rights?
 
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All right, we're getting somewhere now.

The Declaration of Independence was legitimately enacted because the Second Continental Congress was the legitimate government because it was legitimately founded by the Declaration of Independence.
Well. you're almost there.
 
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What Constitution?

Do you mean the Constitution that was dissolved under Lincoln; or did you mean the Emergency Powers Statutes detailed in Senate Report 93-549?


Lincoln didn't dissove the Constitution; he didn't have the power to do so. The confederate traitors tried, but they failed and they hung for it. (Oops, they *should* have hung for it.) What Lincoln did do was suspend habeus corpus, which is permitted under Article I, section 9:

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

as the southern states were in Rebellion against the United States.
 
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Lincoln didn't dissove the Constitution; he didn't have the power to do so. The confederate traitors tried, but they failed and they hung for it. (Oops, they *should* have hung for it.) What Lincoln did do was suspend habeus corpus, which is permitted under Article I, section 9:

The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.

as the southern states were in Rebellion against the United States.
I didn't say that Lincoln "dissove" the Constitution. Words have meaning; and those weren't my words.

When the Southern states walked out of Congress; the quorum to conduct business under the Constitution was lost. The only votes that Congress could lawfully take, under Parliamentary Law, were to set the time to reconvene, take a vote to get a quorum, and vote to adjourn, and set a date, a time, and a place, to reconvene at a later time.

That is not what happened. Congress abandoned the House and Senate without setting a date to reconvene. Under the parliamentary law of Congress, when this happened, Congress became sine die; thus when Congress adjourned sine die, it ceased to exist as a lawful deliberative body.

I absence of Congress the Federal Government was no longer operating under the Constitution. Only Congress has the authority to declare war; but Lincoln stepped up as a de facto Dictator and issued Executive Order 1.

"Now therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, [^_^] and the laws [^_^], have thought fit to call forth, and hereby do call forth, the militia of the several States of the Union, to the aggregate number of seventy-five thousand, in order to suppress said combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed[ ^_^ ]. The details, for this object, will be immediately communicated to the State authorities through the War Department. "
 
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I didn't say that Lincoln "dissove" the Constitution. Words have meaning; and those weren't my words.

When the Southern states walked out of Congress; the quorum to conduct business under the Constitution was lost. The only votes that Congress could lawfully take, under Parliamentary Law, were to set the time to reconvene, take a vote to get a quorum, and vote to adjourn, and set a date, a time, and a place, to reconvene at a later time.

That is not what happened. Congress abandoned the House and Senate without setting a date to reconvene. Under the parliamentary law of Congress, when this happened, Congress became sine die; thus when Congress adjourned sine die, it ceased to exist as a lawful deliberative body.

I absence of Congress the Federal Government was no longer operating under the Constitution. Only Congress has the authority to declare war; but Lincoln stepped up as a de facto Dictator and issued Executive Order 1.

"Now therefore, I, Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States, in virtue of the power in me vested by the Constitution, [^_^] and the laws [^_^], have thought fit to call forth, and hereby do call forth, the militia of the several States of the Union, to the aggregate number of seventy-five thousand, in order to suppress said combinations, and to cause the laws to be duly executed[ ^_^ ]. The details, for this object, will be immediately communicated to the State authorities through the War Department. "
You don't declare war on an insurrection, you suppress it. A mode of operation that Constitution provides the President the power to do.

As for quorum, Article I, Section 5, Clause 1:

Each House shall be the Judge of the Elections, Returns and Qualifications of its own Members, and a Majority of each shall constitute a Quorum to do Business; but a smaller Number may adjourn from day to day, and may be authorized to compel the Attendance of absent Members, in such Manner, and under such Penalties as each House may provide.

Of the 68 Senators, there were never more than 20 vacancies from the rebel states. Well above quorum.
Of the ~240 Representatives, only about 60 seats went vacant. Well above quorum. (Both would have exceeded a 2/3rds quorum.

This is just fractally wrong:

37th United States Congress - Wikipedia
 
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So are you asserting that there is no such thing as unalienable rights?
No, I’ve shown that there are no unalienable rights.
(Also, when did the Declaration of Independence enter the biblical canon?)
 
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(Also, when did the Declaration of Independence enter the biblical canon?)
The $60 Bible, which was originally set to ship early this month to commemorate the 20th anniversary of 9/11, was “inspired by” the country musician Lee Greenwood’s 1980s patriotic anthem “God Bless the USAand packages Scripture with the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, the Pledge of Allegiance, and the handwritten chorus to Greenwood’s song.
 
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Against Ten Commandments in schools? Tell your kid not to look, governor says.

Parents who oppose the display of the Ten Commandments in public classrooms in Louisiana should “just tell the child not to look,” Gov. Jeff Landry (R) said, as he outlined how his government intended to respond to a lawsuit against the state’s new requirement to post the Ten Commandments in every school classroom.

“When you elect people, you elect them by a majority. That majority gets to rule,” he told reporters Monday.

At the same news conference, Louisiana Attorney General Liz Murrill said she is asking the court to dismiss a lawsuit brought by rights groups and nine families of different faiths — including four members of the clergy — that seeks to overturn the law.

It is unclear how the law will fare if it ends up being taken to the Supreme Court. In 1980, the Supreme Court ruled against a similar law in Kentucky, saying it was unconstitutional. However, in recent years the court has been more lenient in its rulings on religion in schools.
 
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Against Ten Commandments in schools? Tell your kid not to look, governor says.

Parents who oppose the display of the Ten Commandments in public classrooms in Louisiana should “just tell the child not to look,” Gov. Jeff Landry (R) said, as he outlined how his government intended to respond to a lawsuit against the state’s new requirement to post the Ten Commandments in every school classroom.

“When you elect people, you elect them by a majority. That majority gets to rule,” he told reporters Monday.

At the same news conference, Louisiana Attorney General Liz Murrill said she is asking the court to dismiss a lawsuit brought by rights groups and nine families of different faiths — including four members of the clergy — that seeks to overturn the law.

It is unclear how the law will fare if it ends up being taken to the Supreme Court. In 1980, the Supreme Court ruled against a similar law in Kentucky, saying it was unconstitutional. However, in recent years the court has been more lenient in its rulings on religion in schools.
Hmmmm....kinda reminds me of all the BLM and PRIDE flags and posters schools have put up everywhere in the schools. I guess we could tell our kids to close their eyes.....but then they would have to walk around the school all day with their eyes closed.
But when the left sees a copy of the TC's posted...."oh my gosh, what is wrong with the world that we should have to put with things like this?"
Right shoe meet left foot.....
 
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Hmmmm....kinda reminds me of all the BLM and PRIDE flags and posters schools have put up everywhere in the schools. I guess we could tell our kids to close their eyes.....but then they would have to walk around the school all day with their eyes closed.
But when the left sees a copy of the TC's posted...."oh my gosh, what is wrong with the world that we should have to put with things like this?"
Right shoe meet left foot.....
I don't know about "the left" but I object to it for religious reasons.
 
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Hmmmm....kinda reminds me of all the BLM and PRIDE flags and posters schools have put up everywhere in the schools.
Mandated by state law in every classroom? I doubt that.

Regardless, the issue in this case is First Amendment religious protections, unlike the things you mention.
 
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Mandated by state law in every classroom? I doubt that.

Regardless, the issue in this case is First Amendment religious protections, unlike the things you mention.
So it is OK if schools are used as political propaganda machines......as long as it is being used by the left of course?
If not, did you object to it on any of the threads about it that were on these forums?
Remember, Silence gives consent.....
 
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So it is OK if schools are used as political propaganda machines....

Political propaganda? Wait, remind me again who is using the force of law to mandate all classrooms in the state present a certain message?
Or trying to use the force of law to ban a particular message from all classrooms in the state?

Teachers have a certain amount of freedom of speech in their roles in the classroom.
 
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