What about this Peace Plan?

[Hans Blaster]

Both sides believe they own Crimea.

International law says one is wrong. The invaders.

 

[Love365]

You might get a ceasefire if…
1. Neutral UN Blue Helmets
2. Belarus is banned from nato.

You might get Russia to pull out some troops if…
1. Formal ownership of Crimea
2. Georgia is banned from nato.
3. Kazakhstan is banned from nato.

Anyone else want to talk about this?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Anyone else want to talk about this?

No.

 

[Love365]

If NATO would just admit they make a mistake,
and got too close to the Russian border,
that would help the peace process.

 

[Hans Blaster]

If NATO would just admit they make a mistake,
and got too close to the Russian border,
that would help the peace process.

Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia apparently made the mistake of being too close to Russia. There should be a buffer...

 

[Love365]

Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia apparently made the mistake of being too close to Russia. There should be a buffer...

1. Poland is Not on Russia’s main border.

2. The 3 tiny countries,
with 3 tiny populations,
with 3 tiny borders.
Don’t really seem like a threat to Russia.

 

[Hans Blaster]

1. Poland is Not on Russia’s main border.

Oh, yeah, that's right. "Kaliningrad" is now part of Czechia.

2. The 3 tiny countries,
with 3 tiny populations,
with 3 tiny borders.
Don’t really seem like a threat to Russia.

You have the threat vector backward. Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia deserve a buffer between them and Russia, not the othr way around.

 

[Love365]

Russia and Ukraine need seats in the European Union.

Russia and Ukraine need seats in the Council of Europe.

 

[Gene2memE]

1. Poland is Not on Russia’s main border.

And.... ?

2. The 3 tiny countries, with 3 tiny populations, with 3 tiny borders.

Don’t really seem like a threat to Russia.

Was Ukraine a "threat to Russia"? Which country did the invading?

If Russia is viewed as a threat to the Baltic states, how much Russian land do you think they should take if they invade?

Why are you so singularly focused on Russia's interests?

 

[Love365]

Why are you so singularly focused on Russia's interests?

Empathy can help us find a peace plan.

Can you see things from their point of view?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Empathy can help us find a peace plan.

Can you see things from their point of view?

What empathy has russia shown?

 

[Love365]

What empathy has russia shown?

They let Finland and Sweden join NATO.

 

[Arcangl86]

They let Finland and Sweden join NATO.

That's like saying I let Keir Stamer become Prime MInister of the UK. Russia has absolutely zero say in who is in NATO.

 

[BCP1928]

Empathy can help us find a peace plan.

Can you see things from their point of view?

Certainly. Putin wants Ukraine because it is a breadbasket, exporting over 20% of the world's food grains. He wants control of the Black Sea because China is trying to rebuild the Silk Road and Putin wants to own the western end of it.

 

[Hans Blaster]

They let Finland and Sweden join NATO.

Russia couldn't stop it if they tried. Only members of NATO can prevent a new member. Why do you continue to post such ignorant nonsense?

 

[Gene2memE]

Empathy can help us find a peace plan.

Can you see things from their point of view?

Unfortunately, I really can't put myself in the shoes of a dictator who launches unprovoked wars of aggression, supports war crimes, has his political opponents murdered, embezzles tens or hundreds of billions of dollars from the national economy and has foreign nationals locked up to use as international bargaining chips.

If Russia had empathy, it wouldn't have launched an offensive war in the first place.

If you want a peace plan, how about you start with the nation that LAUNCHED THE WAR IN THE FIRST PLACE??

 

[Gene2memE]

They let Finland and Sweden join NATO.

Russia didn't "let" Finland and Sweden do anything.

Both are sovereign nations. Both can make the defense arrangements as they see fit.

If Russia doesn't like them entering multilateral defense agreements, then maybe it shouldn't give its neighbours reasons (oh so many reasons) to enter such agreements.

 

[Love365]

You might get a ceasefire if…
1. Neutral UN Blue Helmets
2. Belarus is banned from nato.

You might get Russia to pull out some troops if…
1. Formal ownership of Crimea
2. Georgia is banned from nato.
3. Kazakhstan is banned from nato.

?

 

[Hans Blaster]

?

If you don't understand what you are writing, how are we to understand it?

 

[Love365]

If you don't understand what you are writing, how are we to understand it?

You already gave your opinion on that plan.

I’m looking for other people’s opinion on it.