Louisiana classrooms now required by law to display the Ten Commandments

[HARK!]

If the US Constitution, Amendment 1 had existed then (and it wouldn't for 12 more years) they would have most definitely been violating it by printing the religious text of a particular religion.

Whereas in 1789, Congress, in the midst of framing the Bill of Rights and the First Amendment, passed the first Federal law touching education, declaring that `Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged';

Whereas in 1789, on the same day that Congress finished drafting the First Amendment, it requested President Washington to declare a National day of prayer and thanksgiving, resulting in the first Federal official Thanksgiving proclamation that declared `it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor';

Which God do you suppose our Christian Founders were speaking of?

Whereas in 1854, the United States House of Representatives declared `It [religion] must be considered as the foundation on which the whole structure rests . . . Christianity; in its general principles, is the great conservative element on which we must rely for the purity and permanence of free institutions';

 

[RocksInMyHead]

The new government was established upon the signing of the document

If by "the document" you mean the Articles of Confederation (which established the first American government) or the Constitution (which established the current American government), then yes, the new government was established upon the signing of "the document."

However, the Declaration of Independence did not establish a government - it merely asserted the right to establish one.

 

[HARK!]

By the articles of confederation. You haven't altered or countered my position,.

They were united before that at the signing of the Declaration.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The new government was established upon the signing of the document

No, the United Colonies existed before the signing of the document (and after). But that is not the government that pertains to our nation today, which was founded by the Constitution.

 

[HARK!]

However, the Declaration of Independence did not establish a government - it merely asserted the right to establish one.

Without that Government being formed at the time of it's signing, maybe you can explain exactly who had the authority to institute the documents that followed. Who made Washington a General?

 

[Belk]

Why not just go directly to the source?


That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government

OK? Do you think just referencing the need to establish a new government creates a new government?

Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

Note: The following text is a transcription of the Stone Engraving of the parchment Declaration of Independence (the document on display in the Rotunda at the National Archives Museum.) The spelling and punctuation reflects the original.

www.archives.gov

Do you think that the power to throw off the most powerful government in the world at that time, just happened by happenstance, even as the Founders told the world exactly what they were doing?

Not sure what you are conveying here. Can you explain further?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Without that Government being formed at the time of it's signing, maybe you can explain exactly who had the authority to institute the documents that followed. Who made Washington a General?

The Second Continental Congress on June 15th, 1775. Remember when I mentioned the Battle of Concord and Lexington?

I guess that government used the Obama time machine to fight the Battle of Lexington and Concord in 1775 before its own creation.

 

[HARK!]

But that is not the government that pertains to our nation today, which was founded by the Constitution.

What a ridiculously feeble rebuttal.

That's as ridiculous as saying that the government that we had under the Obama Administration doesn't pertain to our nation today.

 

[HARK!]

OK? Do you think just referencing the need to establish a new government creates a new government?

The Founders faced the death penalty for writing that document; and they knew that when they signed it.

This was no empty reference. It was enforced with military force.

Even Jimmy Carter knew that this nation was founded in 1776.

 

[Belk]

The Founders faced the death penalty for writing that document; and they knew that when they signed it.

This was no empty reference. It was enforced with military force.

Has nothing to do with when and how the government was created.

Even Jimmy Carter knew that this nation was founded in 1776.

What government issued the DEI?

 

[HARK!]

No, the United Colonies existed before the signing of the document (and after). But that is not the government that pertains to our nation today, which was founded by the Constitution.

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The fact that they were united in their own currency only further demonstrates what I have already pointed out.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The fact that they were united in their own currency only further demonstrates what I have already pointed out.

Then you need a time machine again. The Continental Congress issued currency and appointed Washington before they declared their independence.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Whereas in 1789, Congress, in the midst of framing the Bill of Rights and the First Amendment, passed the first Federal law touching education, declaring that `Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged';

Whereas in 1789, on the same day that Congress finished drafting the First Amendment, it requested President Washington to declare a National day of prayer and thanksgiving, resulting in the first Federal official Thanksgiving proclamation that declared `it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor';

Which God do you suppose our Christian Founders were speaking of?

Whereas in 1854, the United States House of Representatives declared `It [religion] must be considered as the foundation on which the whole structure rests . . . Christianity; in its general principles, is the great conservative element on which we must rely for the purity and permanence of free institutions';

You keep quoting that unpassed House Resolution as if it was authoritative. SMH.

 

[HARK!]

You keep quoting that unpassed House Resolution as if it was authoritative.

I quoted it as factual; and I've noticed that you haven't refuted the facts.

Funny

 

[BCP1928]

What a ridiculously feeble rebuttal.

That's as ridiculous as saying that the government that we had under the Obama Administration doesn't pertain to our nation today.

No, the Obama administration governed under the same Constitution we have today, not the Articles of Confederation.

 

[HARK!]

No, the Obama administration governed under the same Constitution we have today, not the Articles of Confederation.

What Constitution?

Do you mean the Constitution that was dissolved under Lincoln; or did you mean the Emergency Powers Statutes detailed in Senate Report 93-549?

http://ncrepublic.org/images/lib/SenateReport93_549.pdf

 

[Belk]

I'm sure glad that I kept my Bicentennial quarters.

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The Liberals might melt them all down in the name of revisionist history.

I should bury one; so that a Liberal can dig it up 100 years from now, and get a History lesson, unless they destroy this country in the mean time.

Myeh, he'll probably just ignore it and dismiss it anyway.

Ah, you get your understanding based of random objects rather then source books and in depth explanations? That certainly explains a lot.

Here, let me post this again.

Did the Declaration of Independence establish the foundation of the American government?

Answer (1 of 11): All that’s quoted today is the Preamble which sounds stirring, but at the time functioned as a cover letter for the long laundry list of grievances, made as long as possible including even solved issues like the 1763 western lands proclamation. The Americans had already been ar...

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It did not. The Declaration of Independence was written to establish the US as a sovereign state so it could seek aid from France and Spain. While it was a civil war, foreign governments were loathe to get involved. But if the US was an independent country, France and Spain would be more willing to provide and and money. The Declaration worked and France and Spain agreed to supply money and arms to the new country. An excellent book describing why this happened is “Brothers at Arms” by Larrie Ferreiro

Feel free to cite the experts who agree with you.

 

[HARK!]

Ah, you get your understanding based of random objects rather then source books and in depth explanations? That certainly explains a lot.

You can go with opinions. I'll just stick with the facts.

Second Continental Congress​

The Second Continental Congress was the late 18th-century meeting of delegates from the Thirteen Colonies that united in support of the American Revolution and the Revolutionary War, which established American independence from the British Empire. The Congress constituted a new federation that it first named the United Colonies, and in 1776, renamed the United States of America. The Congress began convening in Philadelphia, on May 10, 1775, with representatives from 12 of the 13 colonies, after the Battles of Lexington and Concord.
The Second Continental Congress succeeded the First Continental Congress, which had met from September 5 to October 26, 1774, also in Philadelphia. The Second Congress functioned as the de facto federation government at the outset of the Revolutionary War by raising militias, directing strategy, appointing diplomats, and writing petitions such as the Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms and the Olive Branch Petition.[1] All 13 colonies were represented by the time the Congress adopted the Lee Resolution, which declared independence from Britain on July 2, 1776, and the Congress unanimously agreed to the Declaration of Independence two days later.

Second Continental Congress - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[RocksInMyHead]

You can go with opinions. I'll just stick with the facts.

Second Continental Congress​

The Second Continental Congress was the late 18th-century meeting of delegates from the Thirteen Colonies that united in support of the American Revolution and the Revolutionary War, which established American independence from the British Empire. The Congress constituted a new federation that it first named the United Colonies, and in 1776, renamed the United States of America. The Congress began convening in Philadelphia, on May 10, 1775, with representatives from 12 of the 13 colonies, after the Battles of Lexington and Concord.
The Second Continental Congress succeeded the First Continental Congress, which had met from September 5 to October 26, 1774, also in Philadelphia. The Second Congress functioned as the de facto federation government at the outset of the Revolutionary War by raising militias, directing strategy, appointing diplomats, and writing petitions such as the Declaration of the Causes and Necessity of Taking Up Arms and the Olive Branch Petition.[1] All 13 colonies were represented by the time the Congress adopted the Lee Resolution, which declared independence from Britain on July 2, 1776, and the Congress unanimously agreed to the Declaration of Independence two days later.

Second Continental Congress - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As has already been pointed out, the Continental Congress predates the Declaration of Independence - therefore, it does not constitute a government created by said document.

It would also behoove you to look up the meaning of the Latin phrase de facto.

 

[HARK!]

As has already been pointed out, the Continental Congress predates the Declaration of Independence - therefore, it does not constitute a government created by said document.

It would also behoove you to look up the meaning of the Latin phrase de facto.

That still doesn't negate the fact that the Declaration is the founding document.

Oh, and I'm well familiar with the meaning of de facto. Nihil ad rem.