Why is there so much hatred and perverted pornography and over stimulating garbage on the internet ?

[Ace777]

humans existed prior to the invention of symbolism.

The Rabbi teach that God used the Hebrew Language to Create the Universe. Just like the Bible says.

The phrase "God said" appears more than 2,000 times in the Old Testament.

 

[Ace777]

I not for or against God.

Do you think we should walk in love and live the life God is calling us to live?

 

[stevevw]

When people say that we are not animals, they are usually drawing a distinction between humans and non-human animals. Not suggesting that we are mineral or vegetable.

Take, for instance, literary critic Kenneth Burke's definition of human beings:

"Man is the symbol-using (symbol-making, symbol-misusing) animal, inventor of the negative (or moralized by the negative), separated from his natural condition by instruments of his own making, goaded by the spirit of hierarchy (or moved by the sense of order), and rotten with perfection."

We are not non-human animals. Stephen Hawking spoke of animals this way, for instance, in the clips that Pink Floyd used in their song Keep Talking:

God created and spoke. Forming us from the dust of the Earth. Made in his image with the ability to likewise speak and create. Not merely animal, but people. None of which contradicts our biological classification in the kingdom of animalia.

I think before the fall even animals were not animals in the way we understand them as driven by animalistic instincts. We see animals as non moral creatures.

Yet humans are like animals in their biological makeups and also have these base instincts. Perhaps being made in Gods image is that we are capable of knowing God and spirituality.

But without that aspect we can still be capable of acting like animals. So it seems its a battle between our carnal side and our spiritual side.

 

[Ace777]

I think before the fall even animals were not animals in the way we understand them as driven by animalistic instincts. We see animals as non moral creatures.

Some people say the fall was before Animals evolved. But very clearly the Bible teaches that animals will be gentle and no longer devour each other.

 

[stevevw]

Some people say the fall was before Animals evolved. But very clearly the Bible teaches that animals will be gentle and no longer devour each other.

As Romans 8:19 says "For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed".

 

[Larniavc]

There are Rabbi that teach God used the Hebrew Language to create the Universe Just like the Bible says.

Which has nothing to do with biology.

 

[Larniavc]

My understanding is that sapiens implies a capacity for symbolic reasoning and presumably language.

Not true.

 

[Ace777]

Which has nothing to do with biology.

It has EVERYTHING to do with Biology. If you watch PBS you will know we are star stuff and that has everything to do with Physics and the Law of Physics. The Hebrews like the Greeks use letters for numbers.

 

[Ace777]

Or reality

Not what you call reality.

 

[Astrid]

Some people say the fall was before Animals evolved. But very clearly the Bible teaches that animals will be gentle and no longer devour each other.

Lions eating carrots.

" everything to do with biology"

 

[Larniavc]

It has EVERYTHING to do with Biology. If you watch PBS you will know we are star stuff and that has everything to do with Physics and the Law of Physics.

I know that we are built from the results of supernovas. But that is physics and chemistry. That is not biology.

The Hebrews like the Greeks use letters for numbers.

So what? The Sumerians used base 60. And that's just as irrelevant to this thread.

 

[Ace777]

That is not biology.

1. There are theories that align the elements of DNA (hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, and carbon) with specific Hebrew letters based on their atomic masses. For example, hydrogen corresponds to Yod (Y), nitrogen to Hey (H), oxygen to Vav (V), and carbon to Gimel (G)3.

These connections are largely symbolic and metaphysical, reflecting a deep reverence for both the Hebrew language and the genetic code as fundamental to understanding life and the universe.

Kabbalistic Tradition: the Hebrew letters are considered to be the building blocks of creation. The 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet are seen as divine tools used by God to create the universe.

 

[Larniavc]

There are theories that align the elements of DNA (hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, and carbon) with specific Hebrew letters based on their atomic masses. For example, hydrogen corresponds to Yod (Y), nitrogen to Hey (H), oxygen to Vav (V), and carbon to Gimel (G)3.

Did you know Hydrogen corresponds to 1, Helium 2, Lithium 3? Do you know why they are assigned those numbers? From your link it is clear that some guy just decided that they correspond; it was some thing they just made up out of whole cloth.

Can you tell me why H=1, He=2, Li=3 actually means something and is not just made up?

Kabbalistic Tradition: the Hebrew letters are considered to be the building blocks of creation. The 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet are seen as divine tools used by God to create the universe.

With not a jot of empirical evidence to support it being so.

 

[Niels]

Not true.

Why is this considered not to be true? I am not an anthropologist, but my (apparently incorrect or outdated) understanding of why we are considered homo sapiens pertains to our advanced intellectual capacity. The kind associated with symbolic reasoning. There is evidence for this in neanderthal people, along with physiology conducive to speech. They are also considered homo sapiens. With modern humans being referred to as homo sapiens sapiens.

 

[Larniavc]

The kind associated with symbolic reasoning.

Bears use symbols to communicate with each other. Black bears scratch on trees to show how tall (and big) they are. Some canny bears move thing to stand on to make themselves appear bigger to the 'reader'.

The oldest symbolic markings made by humans are about 40,000 years old. Humans were anatomically modern by about 275,000 year ago.

 

[Astrid]

Why is this considered not to be true? I am not an anthropologist, but my (apparently incorrect or outdated) understanding of why we are considered homo sapiens pertains to our advanced intellectual capacity. The kind associated with symbolic reasoning. There is evidence for this in neanderthal people, along with physiology conducive to speech. They are also considered homo sapiens. With modern humans being referred to as homo sapiens sapiens.

Actually Homo sapiens sapiens.

But anyway...I'd say "untrue" in that
it was too specific and too limited to
define "sapiens".

What sort of ( symbolic?)reasoning crows
use is beyond current understanding.

 

[Astrid]

Bears use symbols to communicate with each other. Black bears scratch on trees to show how tall (and big) they are. Some canny bears move thing to stand on to make themselves appear bigger to the 'reader'.

The oldest symbolic markings made by humans are about 40,000 years old. Humans were anatomically modern by about 275,000 year ago.

Earliest currently known.

 

[Ace777]

Did you know Hydrogen corresponds to 1, Helium 2, Lithium 3?

I know in the beginning we had Hydrogen and that became Helium and Lithium. I do not know that much about Chemistry, my mom got an A in Chemistry and I have a niece that works for NASA that has a PhD in Chemistry but I do not know that much about it myself. I am much more into physics and geometry.

 

[Niels]

Bears use symbols to communicate with each other. Black bears scratch on trees to show how tall (and big) they are. Some canny bears move thing to stand on to make themselves appear bigger to the 'reader'.

That sounds similar to how felines scratch and rub to leave their scent to mark territory, arch their backs or move to higher ground to appear more threatening.

Various animals can move objects to stand on, in order to reach things or escape.

People have trained apes to use sign language, horses mathematics, and other such things with mixed results. A lot has to do with the human trainers. Many animals can mimic the behavior of others, but that doesn't necessarily parallel how humans use symbols.

The oldest symbolic markings made by humans are about 40,000 years old. Humans were anatomically modern by about 275,000 year ago.

Which suggests to me that humans were probably writing and drawing on wood, leaves, animal hide and other biodegradable materials before the earliest evidence we have, on things like stone and bone. This is speculation, an educated guess, however.

Actually Homo sapiens sapiens.

Yes. Homo sapiens sapiens. I mentioned it at the end of the post that you quoted.

But anyway...I'd say "untrue" in that
it was too specific and too limited to
define "sapiens".

What sort of ( symbolic?)reasoning crows
use is beyond current understanding.

Perhaps I should have clarified that I wasn't trying to completely define sapiens. Rather, I mentioned it as a trait that falls within the broader definition.

Animal intelligence is fascinating. There is a temptation to either anthropomorphize or to view their behavior as primitive, but they are actually advanced for what they are. Creatures contemporary to us who share this planet in their own ecological niches. I wouldn't claim that animals aren't intelligent. They are, to varying degrees, but their intelligence seems to be qualitatively different. Not simply quantitative.

 

[Astrid]

That sounds similar to how felines scratch and rub to leave their scent to mark territory, arch their backs or move to higher ground to appear more threatening.

Various animals can move objects to stand on, in order to reach things or escape.

People have trained apes to use sign language, horses mathematics, and other such things with mixed results. A lot has to do with the human trainers. Many animals can mimic the behavior of others, but that doesn't necessarily parallel how humans use symbols.


Which suggests to me that humans were probably writing and drawing on wood, leaves, animal hide and other biodegradable materials before the earliest evidence we have, on things like stone and bone. This is speculation, an educated guess, however.


Yes. Homo sapiens sapiens. I mentioned it at the end of the post that you quoted.


Perhaps I should have clarified that I wasn't trying to completely define sapiens. Rather, I mentioned it as a trait that falls within the broader definition.

Animal intelligence is fascinating. There is a temptation to either anthropomorphize or to view their behavior as primitive, but they are actually advanced for what they are. Creatures contemporary to us who share this planet in their own ecological niches. I wouldn't claim that animals aren't intelligent. They are, to varying degrees, but their intelligence seems to be qualitatively different. Not simply quantitative.

Capital H on homo.