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Eleven children and two adults have been knifed at a Taylor Swift-themed event in Southport

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Eleven children and two adults have been knifed at a Taylor Swift-themed event in Southport

A knife-wielding attacker has injured eleven children - two of them fatally - and two adults at a Taylor Swift-themed yoga event in the town of Southport in northwestern England.

Channel 3 named the suspect as Ali-Al-Shakati, an asylum-seeker who arrived in the UK by boat last year.

 

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Be aware that the claims in the OP are false.

According to the BBC News, the suspect is aged 17, born in Cardiff to Rwandan parents and moved to the Southport area in 2012. He was arrested at the scene. For legal reasons, his name cannot be reported.

Tragically a third child died overnight. Five children and two adults remain in a critical condition.

BBC News

Al Jazeera

Daily Mail
(note - I do not like the Daily Mail, but it tends to give more detail than the BBC)

What happened is awful. Please do not make it worse by spreading lies designed to stir up trouble. All too often now, following an event like this (or a 19 year old lad going missing on holiday) false rumours start spreading on social media.

Pray for all those affected or involved.
 
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Eleven children and two adults have been knifed at a Taylor Swift-themed event in Southport

A knife-wielding attacker has injured eleven children - two of them fatally - and two adults at a Taylor Swift-themed yoga event in the town of Southport in northwestern England.

Channel 3 named the suspect as Ali-Al-Shakati, an asylum-seeker who arrived in the UK by boat last year.

The suspect has not been named yet, and will not be unless a judge allows it. We know that the youth is 17 years old, was born in Cardiff (Wales) to Rwandan parents. So far we do not know whether they came for asylum, but they are apparently still living in Southport.

As for the details of the suspect, Channel 3 must have simply made this up. They certainly got it wrong. Perhaps Landon Caeli should delete this reference in the original post.
 
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Suspect was born in the UK to parents who fled from Rwanda during the genocide. To date all the asylum seekers I have met from Rwanda in the UK express Christian faith beliefs it would be prudent and wise to check with UK news sources rather than share online gossip. Under 18 suspects name will NOT be published nor their family name details unless authorised upon conviction by a judge. Anyone who claims to know the name is not being truthful.

Far better for all of us to pray and hold before God all who have been affected by this.
 
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According to UK papers the arrested man came to the UK when he was six - eleven years ago. Not a recent arrival.
he was born in Wales

his parents are from Rwanda
 
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Under 18 suspects name will NOT be published nor their family name details unless authorised upon conviction by a judge. Anyone who claims to know the name is not being truthful.
Probably why that name has been scrubbed from the internet. It would be illegal to post it since he's a minor.
 
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he was born in Wales

his parents are from Rwanda
There has been a disturbance outside a Mosque not far from the scene of the murders, caused by social media lies claiming that the suspect was a Muslim asylum seeker. The rioters were members of the English Defence League, a well-known neo-Fascist organisation. The people of Southport are horrified by these outsiders taking advantage of their grief.

It is important to understand that lies are propagated on the internet. That this thread began with such a lie is, frankly, horrifying.
 
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Probably why that name has been scrubbed from the internet. It would be illegal to post it since he's a minor.
The name that was released, like the story, was fake.
 
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Probably why that name has been scrubbed from the internet. It would be illegal to post it since he's a minor.
Per the BBC link in post #3

A 17-year-old boy remains in custody. Police have urged the public not to engage in speculation about the suspect's identity, saying a name that's been circulated online is incorrect.

A 17-year-old boy, born in Cardiff
and living in a nearby town, has been arrested on suspicion of murder and attempted murder.

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"At around 7.45pm, a large group of people – believed to be supporters of the English Defence League – began to throw items towards a local mosque on St Luke’s Road in Southport.

"Officers who are deployed are currently dealing with criminal behaviour and violence with bottles and wheelie bins being thrown at them."

"As a result, an officer has suffered a suspected broken nose and police vehicles have been damaged and set alight.
 
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Probably why that name has been scrubbed from the internet. It would be illegal to post it since he's a minor.
That website lied. Please take care not to repeat wicked lies designed to cause trouble. People were hurt in the riot outside the mosque round the corner from the murder scene.

Don't you think it would be a good idea to delete the link, even though it may now be broken?
 
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That website lied. Please take care not to repeat wicked lies designed to cause trouble. People were hurt in the riot outside the mosque round the corner from the murder scene.

Don't ypou think it would be a good idea to delete the link, even though it may now be broken?
I haven't seen any evidence that it's the wrong name. I think, more likely, events are taking place to *conceal* this truthful identity.
 
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I haven't seen any evidence that it's the wrong name. I think, more likely, events are taking place to *conceal* this truthful identity.
The seventeen year old's name has not been released. That is in line with British law protecting minors.The website you posted did not know his name. They couldn't have.

I think you are being disingenuous now.
 
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The seventeen year old's name has not been released. That is in line with British law protecting minors.The website you posted did not know his name. They couldn't have.

I think you are being disingenuous now.
"Channel 3 named the suspect as Ali-Al-Shakati, an asylum-seeker who arrived in the UK by boat last year. He was reportedly "on the MI6 watch list and known to Liverpool mental health services."

Until Channel 3 offers a detailed report on how their description was so inaccurate, minus the age, I refuse to believe it was all made up by channel 3.
 
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I haven't seen any evidence that it's the wrong name. I think, more likely, events are taking place to *conceal* this truthful identity.
So, you are standing by your first post? It is these romours that fueled the riots in Southport this evening.
 
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So, you are standing by your first post? It is these romours that fueled the riots in Southport this evening.
Let's not *hide* the truth for the common good.

There's no way channel 3 got all that information wrong, except, the age part was 100% correct. I don't believe it.
 
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"Channel 3 named the suspect as Ali-Al-Shakati, an asylum-seeker who arrived in the UK by boat last year. He was reportedly "on the MI6 watch list and known to Liverpool mental health services."

Until Channel 3 offers a detailed report on how their description was so inaccurate, minus the age, I refuse to believe it was all made up by channel 3.
As I pointed out above, that link is broken. Did you even look to see what Channel 3 now says? Now Channel 3 reports

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"Channel 3 Now" doesn't seem to have a physical address and I don't see any bylines other than Channel 3 Now Staff. Most of their entertainment and sports headlines are people dying.

Oh, but their Twitter feed still has some tasteful pictures of children bleeding out on the sidewalk.
 
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