Radical Islamists raise £3m to buy Scottish island for new 'homeland'

[Landon Caeli]

A RADICAL religious group has raised more than £3 million to buy an entire Scottish island, with the aim to create a closed community which practices sharia law.

On Sunday, the Daily Mail reported that the London-based preacher Sheikh Yasser al-Habib and his followers were in “advanced talks” to purchase the island of Torsa, in Argyll.

The Daily Mail reported that, in a video calling for donations to help buy Torsa, al-Habib says he will negotiate with the UK Government to allow Muslims “from all over the world” to get a visa to live in their new “homeland”.

Radical Islamists raise millions to buy Scottish island for new 'homeland'

A RADICAL religious group has raised more than £3 million to buy an entire Scottish island, with the aim to create a closed community which…

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[Pommer]

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A RADICAL religious group has raised more than £3 million to buy an entire Scottish island, with the aim to create a closed community which practices sharia law.

On Sunday, the Daily Mail reported that the London-based preacher Sheikh Yasser al-Habib and his followers were in “advanced talks” to purchase the island of Torsa, in Argyll.

The Daily Mail reported that, in a video calling for donations to help buy Torsa, al-Habib says he will negotiate with the UK Government to allow Muslims “from all over the world” to get a visa to live in their new “homeland”.

Radical Islamists raise millions to buy Scottish island for new 'homeland'

A RADICAL religious group has raised more than £3 million to buy an entire Scottish island, with the aim to create a closed community which…

www.thenational.scot

A Scottish Island goes for ~$4.5 million?
Won‘t this be nice!

 

[Lost4words]

Old news as the current owner has stated he is not selling it to them:

Tiny island owner WON'T sell to cleric who wants to make 'Islamic homeland'

A REMOTE Scottish island owner is refusing to sell the land to a controversial Muslim cleric who plans to turn it into an ‘Islamic homeland’. Sheikh Yasser al-Habib, 45, is looking to b…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Landon Caeli]

These radical Sharia-lovers need to be put into check!

Not in any Western country... Ever..!

 

[Occams Barber]

These radical Sharia-lovers need to be put into check!

Not in any Western country... Ever..!

I agree.

Let's also keep Christian missionaries out of non-Christian countries,

OB

 

[Landon Caeli]

I agree.

Let's also keep Christian missionaries out of non-Christian countries,

OB

Now that's going too far.

 

[Pommer]

These radical Sharia-lovers need to be put into check!

Not in any Western country... Ever..!

Innocents shouldn’t be allowed to move from THEIR war-torn regions?
How nice of you to decide how they should live their lives!

 

[Hazelelponi]

Innocents shouldn’t be allowed to move from THEIR war-torn regions?
How nice of you to decide how they should live their lives!

I don't consider anyone who wants to live under sharia to be innocent.

As a citizen of a sovereign nation I for one will have a say in who lives next door....

And I don't want people who follow sharia next door. They don't want to live under the same ideals I do. You can't even pretend that sharia law is compatible with western ideals.

The Bible says to pray for our enemies, not move them into our land. Where's the Biblical command to have open borders? To make sure to move terrorists into our lands? There's not one... The only law is to treat foreign guests with care.

We do that, we treat legal immigrants perfectly well in any western nation.

But any suggestion to move the terrorists from half a world away and move them in nextdoor is literally insane. It's not Biblical. It's not following any measure of common sense.

It's not anything but a way to commit national suicide and make sure your grandchildren live daily in the midst of guerilla warfare in a land that was once safe for them.

 

[Pommer]

I don't consider anyone who wants to live under sharia to be innocent.

As a citizen of a sovereign nation I for one will have a say in who lives next door....

And I don't want people who follow sharia next door. They don't want to live under the same ideals I do. You can't even pretend that sharia law is compatible with western ideals.

The Bible says to pray for our enemies, not move them into our land. Where's the Biblical command to have open borders? To make sure to move terrorists into our lands? There's not one... The only law is to treat foreign guests with care.

We do that, we treat legal immigrants perfectly well in any western nation.

But any suggestion to move the terrorists from half a world away and move them in nextdoor is literally insane. It's not Biblical. It's not following any measure of common sense.

It's not anything but a way to commit national suicide and make sure your grandchildren live daily in the midst of guerilla warfare in a land that was once safe for them.

I’m sorry that your faith isn’t robust enough to withstand the pressures that would brought to bear by some war refugees moving to an island 3000 miles away.

 

[Nithavela]

Let's not pretent that "living under sharia law" for these people would only include some dietary and clothing restrictions and that this would just be a harmless commune of consenting adults doing their own thing. If they would REALLY live under Sharia law, that would include beatings and executions for things that modern western society doesn't even consider crimes. Then you throw in children and people being forced into such a community by their families.

There can only be one kind of law in a country.

If they just wanted to be practicing muslims, that is already easily possible in Scotland.

OTOH, if that guy is really the founder of a terrorist organisation, I'm confused why he's free to do such things in the first place?

 

[Larniavc]

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A RADICAL religious group has raised more than £3 million to buy an entire Scottish island, with the aim to create a closed community which practices sharia law.

On Sunday, the Daily Mail reported that the London-based preacher Sheikh Yasser al-Habib and his followers were in “advanced talks” to purchase the island of Torsa, in Argyll.

The Daily Mail reported that, in a video calling for donations to help buy Torsa, al-Habib says he will negotiate with the UK Government to allow Muslims “from all over the world” to get a visa to live in their new “homeland”.

Radical Islamists raise millions to buy Scottish island for new 'homeland'

A RADICAL religious group has raised more than £3 million to buy an entire Scottish island, with the aim to create a closed community which…

www.thenational.scot

This is what the really devout should do if they don’t like modern day society. Go live in your own land like these guys or the Amish. As long as they obey the law of the land or course.

If all religious people did this there would be a lot fewer arguments.

 

[The IbanezerScrooge]

I've been suggesting something similar to some more radical Christians on this board who want their religion foisted upon the entire country. Pool your money, buy Greenland and form a Christian Utopia.

 

[durangodawood]

Man wants an island for his cult. Its a story as old as time.

 

[JosephZ]

I don't consider anyone who wants to live under sharia to be innocent.

This would include well over a billion of the world's Muslims. What crime do you consider the majority of the world's Muslims to be guilty of?

 

[ThatRobGuy]

I agree.

Let's also keep Christian missionaries out of non-Christian countries,

OB

If you're comparing what goes on between the two, you're making a false equivalency.

Christian missionaries, attempting to proselytize, typically don't keep people trapped inside a closed community where people inside are subject to human rights abuses with no recourse or easy access for getting help from the outside world.

That'd be like trying to compare Jehovah's Witnesses to Scientology or some other cult that lives in a compound.

Despite me not being a huge fan of spending money to proselytize when it could be used to help people in other ways...
Recruitment efforts (that one can walk away from at any time) are very different than a "guards face inward" type situation.

 

[durangodawood]

If you're comparing what goes on between the two, you're making a false equivalency.

Christian missionaries, attempting to proselytize, typically don't keep people trapped inside a closed community where people inside are subject to human rights abuses with no recourse or easy access for getting help from the outside world.

That'd be like trying to compare Jehovah's Witnesses to Scientology or some other cult that lives in a compound.

Despite me not being a huge fan of spending money to proselytize when it could be used to help people in other ways...
Recruitment efforts (that one can walk away from at any time) are very different than a "guards face inward" type situation.

Half agree. When you see the horrible influence western Christian "influencers" are having in places like Uganda, teaming up with locals to make the lives of gay people miserable - or worse, thats the half where I dont agree.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

This is what the really devout should do if they don’t like modern day society. Go live in your own land like these guys or the Amish. As long as they obey the law of the land or course.

If all religious people did this there would be a lot fewer arguments.

The problem is that within certain "closed communities", the reason they want to keep it "closed" (very limited information going in and out) is specifically because they don't want any eyes on them for the things they want to do that go against the law of the land.

Even comparing the Amish to "Sharia Island" would be unfair to the Amish.

While I think some Amish communities are doing their children and families a disservice by not properly educating them on certain topics, and not embracing modern medicine, they're certainly not forcing anyone to stay via threats and coercion (and making sure people born into it can't make it to the outside world to report abuses). In fact, the Amish let their teens have the option of venturing out into the world for a period to see if they want to "Join the English" or come back...and have no problem interacting with people on the outside for the most part.


Perhaps a more proper comparison would be to compare "Closed Sharia Communities" to a culture like what was rampant in the FLDS under the likes of Warren Jeffs.

 

[iluvatar5150]

A Scottish Island goes for ~$4.5 million?
Won‘t this be nice!

Land is cheap in the middle of nowhere.

Torsa · United Kingdom

★★★★☆ · Island

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Christian missionaries, attempting to proselytize, typically don't keep people trapped inside a closed community where people inside are subject to human rights abuses with no recourse or easy access for getting help from the outside world.

...anymore

The problem is that within certain "closed communities", the reason they want to keep it "closed" (very limited information going in and out) is specifically because they don't want any eyes on them for the things they want to do that go against the law of the land.

Even comparing the Amish to "Sharia Island" would be unfair to the Amish.

While I think some Amish communities are doing their children and families a disservice by not properly educating them on certain topics, and not embracing modern medicine, they're certainly not forcing anyone to stay via threats and coercion (and making sure people born into it can't make it to the outside world to report abuses). In fact, the Amish let their teens have the option of venturing out into the world for a period to see if they want to "Join the English" or come back...and have no problem interacting with people on the outside for the most part.

lol, "joining the English" often involves being excommunicated from the entire society, including your family. It absolutely is coercive.

 

[durangodawood]

They could support themselves by opening a whisky distillery.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

...anymore



lol, "joining the English" often involves being excommunicated from the entire society, including your family. It absolutely is coercive.

I was referring to coercion in the form of "if you leave, we'll be treating your family brutally".

I'm pretty sure a former Amish boy leaving the community doesn't come with the fear of his mother and father being physically abused (or worse).