Louisiana classrooms now required by law to display the Ten Commandments

[Hans Blaster]

This may be the case now at a federal level (although hopefully this suboptimal condition will soon be rectified), but it is clearly not the case at the state level in a great many states, nor was it the case when the US was founded in 1790.

It was always the case that the Federal government wasn't based on or dependent on any religion. Considering that some of the original states started as theocracies, I can't say the same (sadly) about all of the states in the same year.

 

[Pommer]

It's not the founding document either.

Neither is the DoI.
All that did was to tell King George III that we (the 13 colonies) wouldn’t be colonies any longer…once the rebellion (against the King) was won, there was no guarantee that the 13 would remain one nation-state.

 

[HARK!]

Now I need a new keyboard. The "Declaration" is just political manifesto. It said nothing about forming a country

Have you not actually read it?

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

 

[HARK!]

It is the founding document of the government and arguably the nation. The deistic Declaration was nothing more than that: a declaration that the several colonies were independent. There was a bit of an argument over that with the colonizers before there was an opportunity to join the colonies together into a nation. After that failed, they tried again in 1787 with greater success.

Et tu?

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

 

[Hans Blaster]

Have you not actually read it?

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

And they had new governments -- state governments, some of which had already declared independence.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Et tu?

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

The Declaration does not institute a new government.

This is just an assertion that people have the right to do so.

 

[DaisyDay]

Because you’re a Unitarian and are on CF.com. It seemed opportune. Frankly I had hoped you would be sympathetic to my concerns given that the UUA still has some Unitarian Christian members, clergy, and even parishes, such as King’s Chapel in Boston, and also historically has a reputation for respecting different religions and being opposed to, among other things, cultural appropriation.

It seems a bit random to suppose I would know anything about some church somewhere that did something you don't approve of. Thinking not to bother the actual people in question is also bizarre to me.

It’s literally painted on the wall behind their pulpit. So why indeed?

Huh. So this is a painting of a cross that you're complaining about, not a physical cross. If you actually wanted to know why indeed, you should ask the people who had something to do it it as they would be in a position to know.

The chalice I was referring to was in this case the Flaming Chalice symbol used by the UUA, particularly popular among your parishes which are no longer specifically Christian.

Okay.

The service I viewed online via livestreaming. I noticed the Orthodox Cross and was curious as to its raison d’etre, and alas, it turned out it was literally a decoration, and an inoffensive and inappropriate one at that. It would be a bit like if an Orthodox church installed an icon depicting the mystical tree of Kabbalah with the ten sephirot. Or if our members started wearing Sikh attire and carrying Sikh religious objects such as their sacred blade (actually I think one of the symbols painted on the wall was Sikh).

I suggest you take it up the that church's board of trustees. Try asking them or the pastor.

Or is this just your way of registering your disapproval of my being a Unitarian? You there! I want to file a complaint!

 

[DaisyDay]

You seem to be confusing @The Liturgist with me. He never called for anyone's head.

Thanks, sorry.

 

[DaisyDay]

What do you think that premise is? The Declaration of Independence mentions God several times, but never specifically the Christian God, so it does not invoke any particular Christian doctrine as binding the nation.

Or once and then as "Nature's God" not man's God. "Creator" is also mentioned once.

 

[DaisyDay]

It's not the founding document either.

The Constitution is literally the basis of our country and its laws.

 

[HARK!]

Neither is the DoI.

Yes it is.

 

[HARK!]

The Declaration does not institute a new government.

This is just an assertion that people have the right to do so.

Yes it did; and when that government was challenged; it met its' challenger with force.

 

[HARK!]

The Constitution is literally the basis of our country and its laws.

Let's review;

The Declaration tells us the premise that this country is built on; and without it the Constitution has no standing.

 

[Pommer]

Have you not actually read it?

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government"

Bread is a foodstuff made from cereals that have been ground and sometimes have a leavening agent, along with water and eggs, oils, fats and baked or fried at a high temperature.

This, (one will note) is not a “recipe” for bread, just a descriptor of what bread is.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Yes it did; and when that government was challenged; it met its' challenger with force.

I guess that government used the Obama time machine to fight the Battle of Lexington and Concord in 1775 before its own creation.

 

[BCP1928]

Have you not actually read it?

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --

It's very clear, and a revolutionary statement in it's day. God does not institute government, man does. Governments rule not by divine right, but by the consent of the governed.

 

[HARK!]

It's very clear, and a revolutionary statement in it's day. God does not institute government, man does. Governments rule not by divine right, but by the consent of the governed.

I'll accept your strawman argument as a concession.

 

[HARK!]

Bread is a foodstuff made from cereals that have been ground and sometimes have a leavening agent, along with water and eggs, oils, fats and baked or fried at a high temperature.

This, (one will note) is not a “recipe” for bread, just a descriptor of what bread is.

This thread isn't about bread.

Perhaps this forum would interest you:

Cooking and Culinary Arts

 

[BCP1928]

I'll accept your strawman argument as a concession.

To what? What did I concede?

 

[HARK!]

To what? What did I concede?

To the axiom.