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Is the speed of light a constant? Or can it vary? If so, in what kinds of situations, or how much?

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You asked what was special about reflective light. That was the point. Reflective is the result of direct light reflecting off an object and generated everything we see. Everything we see is reflective light. The colors, the shapes, the details.
Stare at the sun a bit (OK, don't actually do it). That is direct light. Same as if you look directly at a light bulb.
Reflective light has special and unique properties that we don’t see in direct light.
It does not.
 
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This is getting very repetitious.

(1) Special relativity postulates the speed of light is isotropic (the speed is the same to all observers) where the two way speed of light is the same as one way speed of light and equals 299,792,458 m/s.
I agree it does make that assumption.
(Having to repeat myself again science is based on evidence, not about debating philosophical and metaphysical concepts like the speed of light being anisotropic which is unfalsifiable and therefore science does not have a standpoint.
Thats rich….when science is presented with something that is unfalsifiable they simply make assumptions. To say science doesn’t have a standpoint is ludicrous, perhaps ignorant. Science is very much based on assumptions at every level. It is unfalsifiable for you to say light is isotopic. Without being able to test the speed of 1 way light. But science can make more assumptions. Oh yeah you call it the simplest and most logical explanation. It sounds like you’ve become like many other have become. A tool for science. Your talking points tow the line for sure. I’m not saying that to ridicule you or demean you. It’s what I see most people doing - accepting science, taking their selective evidence, turning the assumptions into facts….and then ridicule anyone that see between the lines and simply makes comments that those assumptions are not facts and the assumptions by themselves should carry little to no weight.
 
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Stare at the sun a bit (OK, don't actually do it). That is direct light. Same as if you look directly at a light bulb.
Yeah I see a bright light and that’s all I see. Now take a look at your family, at a rose garden, look at your favorite car, your lawn after it’s been mowed. That is reflected light. If you don’t see a difference then I’ll keep it friendly and just say you want to argue for no reason.
 
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This star is the size of a minimal mass main sequence star (M9). They have temperatures of more than 2000 K and are much brighter than a planet.
Yes but a planet‘s light comes from reflection so the larger in size generally would reflect more light and make it more visible from a distance
 
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If we can show that there is a for sure time difference from normal by sending out or traveling towards a destination (but it might have to be directly) at even just a very small fraction of the speed of light, or just enough so our instruments could record that along the way, and show that there is a definite difference in the images or waves, generated by light, both ahead of us, and behind us, etc, and that they (the times) (both ahead of us and behind us) were both always off by the exact same percentage of the exact same percentage of the speed of light that we were traveling both ways, etc, (faster ahead of us, and slower behind us, etc) then doesn't that effectively measure or prove both the one way, and the two way speed of light as being both equal, or both being the same both ways, etc? Since they are both being generated by light both ways, etc?

I somewhat mentioned this in some earlier posts earlier, but don't know if I communicated my ideas well enough to adequately explain, etc?

And I still don't know if I am effectively communicating them now, etc?

Anyway,

God Bless.
 
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Yeah I see a bright light and that’s all I see. Now take a look at your family, at a rose garden, look at your favorite car, your lawn after it’s been mowed. That is reflected light. If you don’t see a difference then I’ll keep it friendly and just say you want to argue for no reason.
I know what reflected light is and it is irrelevant.
 
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If we can show that there is a for sure time difference from normal by sending out or traveling towards a destination (but it might have to be directly) at even just a very small fraction of the speed of light, or just enough so our instruments could record that along the way, and show that there is a definite difference in the images or waves, generated by light, both ahead of us, and behind us, etc, and that they (the times) (both ahead of us and behind us) were both always off by the exact same percentage of the exact same percentage of the speed of light that we were traveling both ways, etc, (faster ahead of us, and slower behind us, etc) then doesn't that effectively measure or prove both the one way, and the two way speed of light as being both equal, or both being the same both ways, etc? Since they are both being generated by light both ways, etc?

I somewhat mentioned this in some earlier posts earlier, but don't know if I communicated my ideas well enough to adequately explain, etc?

And I still don't know if I am effectively communicating them now, etc?

Anyway,

God Bless.
Ok, so it (the measurement of the difference in time) wouldn't be the same exact percentage as the same exact percentage of the speed of light that we were traveling both ahead of us and behind us both ways, since those are different, but are still supposed to be the same both ways, etc, but if maybe it was the same exact percentage of the same exact percentage it was supposed to be both ahead of us and behind us both ways?

Anyway, couldn't we then prove the speed of light both ways, etc?

Take Care/God Bless.
 
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I suggest you look at the video again as the travelling twin is not moving at 172% speed of light.
The distance travelled in twin's frame of reference is reduced by the Lorentz factor ϒ while time dilation in the stationary twin's frame of reference increases by the factor 1/ϒ.
Ok I apologize I misunderstood which person’s perspective the 86% speed of light was in reference to.
 
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Thats rich….when science is presented with something that is unfalsifiable they simply make assumptions. To say science doesn’t have a standpoint is ludicrous, perhaps ignorant. Science is very much based on assumptions at every level. It is unfalsifiable for you to say light is isotopic. Without being able to test the speed of 1 way light. But science can make more assumptions.
That the speed of light is taken (or assumed) as being Isotropic, is well supported by all the test evidence underpinning Special Relativity (SR).

That the speed of light is not taken (or assumed) as Isotropic, (ie: is Anisotropic), is entirely unsupported by any test evidence.

The valid logic behind the statement that the speed of light is Isotropic, comes by way of proof by contradiction because Anisotropic lightspeed contradicts the direct test evidence which leads up to the theory of SR.
Oh yeah you call it the simplest and most logical explanation. It sounds like you’ve become like many other have become. A tool for science. Your talking points tow the line for sure. I’m not saying that to ridicule you or demean you. It’s what I see most people doing - accepting science, taking their selective evidence, turning the assumptions into facts….and then ridicule anyone that see between the lines and simply makes comments that those assumptions are not facts and the assumptions by themselves should carry little to no weight.
The assumptions being discusssed ARE treated in logic as facts because of the independent verfiability of the SR test results.
 
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That the speed of light is taken (or assumed) as being Isotropic, is well supported by all the test evidence underpinning Special Relativity (SR).

That the speed of light is not taken (or assumed) as Isotropic, (ie: is Anisotropic), is entirely unsupported by any test evidence.

The valid logic behind the statement that the speed of light is Isotropic, comes by way of proof by contradiction because Anisotropic lightspeed contradicts the direct test evidence which leads up to the theory of SR.

The assumptions being discusssed ARE treated in logic as facts because of the independent verfiability of the SR test results.
Nice try but it’s not verifiable and unfalsafiable. Sounds like you may be a tool for science too. Evidence does not equal it’s true. Just because the evidence is verifiable doesn’t make what you out to prove verifiable. Selective science at its finest.
 
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In the spaceship’s frame of reference, the proper time is the time taken for a light beam to bounce between the mirrors in a vertical trajectory.
In the observer’s frame of reference on earth since the spacecraft is travelling in a transverse direction, the light beam is no longer vertical, but follows an oblique longer path resulting in a longer coordinate time for the light beam to bounce between the mirrors.
I wasn’t talking about light bouncing between mirrors. Perhaps I missed that part of the discussion before I commented. I was talking about turning on a light on earth that would be powerful enough to be seen from mars which would travel out in all directions, but I suppose you’d still have to factor in the speed of both planets into the equation which is well beyond my capacity to comprehend. I also wonder if the movement of our solar system within the galaxy would also play a role, I’m guessing it would which would complicate the calculation even further.
 
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but this time plus the extra 1.14% multiplied by 2 of extra minutes of time it took you to travel towards the ten minute light year away way point
Where did the 1.14% and the 2 extra minutes come from?
 
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I agree it does make that assumption.

Thats rich….when science is presented with something that is unfalsifiable they simply make assumptions. To say science doesn’t have a standpoint is ludicrous, perhaps ignorant. Science is very much based on assumptions at every level. It is unfalsifiable for you to say light is isotopic. Without being able to test the speed of 1 way light. But science can make more assumptions. Oh yeah you call it the simplest and most logical explanation. It sounds like you’ve become like many other have become. A tool for science. Your talking points tow the line for sure. I’m not saying that to ridicule you or demean you. It’s what I see most people doing - accepting science, taking their selective evidence, turning the assumptions into facts….and then ridicule anyone that see between the lines and simply makes comments that those assumptions are not facts and the assumptions by themselves should carry little to no weight.
I am so relieved you are not out to demean me after referring to me as being ignorant, ludicrous and a tool of science; I’d hate to be on the receiving end if you were truly out to demean me.

It’s time to expose you as a YEC despite your dishonest claims of stating otherwise.
"I’m not an advocate for YEC. God creating the world young wouldn’t make much sense if He wanted the Earth to be hospitable and functional for Adam from the beginning." (Post #53)

Yet in another thread you made this comment.
"The earth was created approximately 4000BC (6000 years ago). Job was written after creation."
As I stated to one of your fellow creationists be careful what you write as the search function is a wonderful weapon for detecting lies.

Your motivations in this thread are as clear as day, you are a small minded YECist out to attack science and those you insult as being tools of science and it was never your intention to learn anything about the one way speed of light being an exercise in philosophy and metaphysics, and not science.

It’s wishful thinking an anisotropic one way speed of light being unfalsifiable, supports a 6000 year old Earth.
Now do us a favour since you don’t accept anything that supports your YEC narrative, it is pointless for you to participate further in this thread.
 
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Where did the 1.14% and the 2 extra minutes come from?
You are traveling at 86% light speed to a distance ten light minutes away, it adds 1.14 more minutes in both the trip there, and 1.14 minutes on the way back, etc. Which also adds slightly more time, which is why you'll only be 45% to 40% younger then the rest of the people on earth, as opposed to the 50% that time slowed down for you, etc.

The exact speed of light example is easier, etc.

Though physical matter/material, or anything with mass, cannot ever travel at the exact speed of light as far as we know right now though, etc.

God Bless.
 
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I wasn’t talking about light bouncing between mirrors. Perhaps I missed that part of the discussion before I commented. I was talking about turning on a light on earth that would be powerful enough to be seen from mars which would travel out in all directions, but I suppose you’d still have to factor in the speed of both planets into the equation which is well beyond my capacity to comprehend. I also wonder if the movement of our solar system within the galaxy would also play a role, I’m guessing it would which would complicate the calculation even further.
The point I was making was to give you a physical interpretation of time dilation which not about perceptions or optical illusions.
 
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it would now be appearing to now be elapsing at 172% normal speed so that when you got back to earth,
I don’t think this is worded correctly. If time appears to be half speed traveling away from the earth at 86% speed of light then traveling back towards earth at 86% speed would make time appear to be double speed, not 172% speed. But again this is not actually altering time because regardless of what speed you travel in any direction you’re not actually affecting clocks on earth or on your space ship. When you’re traveling away from a clock at the speed of light the only reason it appears to stop is because you’re traveling the exact same speed as light. Think of it like a projector that is passing frames of pictures by at the speed of light. If you travel at the speed of light you’re traveling the same speed as each frame so they’re not passing by you anymore so it doesn’t look like a moving video it looks like a single still image. So your only seeing one frame but behind that frame there’s still every single frame lined up following behind you that you can’t see. All of those frames still took place, therefore time never actually stopped, it just looks like it did from your perspective. If time actually stopped if you flew at the speed of light for 10 minutes you’d have to wait another 10 minutes before you actually saw the clock move again because the light would’ve stopped. If light travels at 299,792,458 meters per second and time actually stopped that would mean that for 10 minutes zero seconds went by and therefore the light didn’t actually move anywhere, you would’ve left it behind and technically the clock would be appearing to go backwards because you’d be traveling at an infinite speed, your speed would be absolutely instantaneous. Any distance you travel while time is stopped is instantaneous. So you’d actually be traveling faster than the speed of light which means you’d be passing the frames that were in front of you and the clock would appear to go backwards.
 
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You are traveling at 86% light speed to a distance ten light minutes away, it adds 1.14 more minutes in both the trip there, and 1.14 minutes on the way back, etc. Which also adds slightly more time, which is why you'll only be 45% to 40% younger then the rest of the people on earth, as opposed to the 50% that time slowed down for you, etc.

The exact speed of light example is easier, etc.

Though physical matter/material, or anything with mass, cannot ever travel at the exact speed of light as far as we know right now though, etc.

God Bless.
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It could be 1.4 minutes each way, etc.

I don't know, really suck at math, but I know it's in that ball park though, etc.

God Bless.
 
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I don’t think this is worded correctly. If time appears to be half speed traveling away from the earth at 86% speed of light then traveling back towards earth at 86% speed would make time appear to be double speed, not 172% speed. But again this is not actually altering time because regardless of what speed you travel in any direction you’re not actually affecting clocks on earth or on your space ship. When you’re traveling away from a clock at the speed of light the only reason it appears to stop is because you’re traveling the exact same speed as light. Think of it like a projector that is passing frames of pictures by at the speed of light. If you travel at the speed of light you’re traveling the same speed as each frame so they’re not passing by you anymore so it doesn’t look like a moving video it looks like a single still image. So your only seeing one frame but behind that frame there’s still every single frame lined up following behind you that you can’t see. All of those frames still took place, therefore time never actually stopped, it just looks like it did from your perspective. If time actually stopped if you flew at the speed of light for 10 minutes you’d have to wait another 10 minutes before you actually saw the clock move again because the light would’ve stopped. If light travels at 299,792,458 meters per second and time actually stopped that would mean that for 10 minutes zero seconds went by and therefore the light didn’t actually move anywhere, you would’ve left it behind and technically the clock would be appearing to go backwards because you’d be traveling at an infinite speed, your speed would be absolutely instantaneous. Any distance you travel while time is stopped is instantaneous. So you’d actually be traveling faster than the speed of light which means you’d be passing the frames that were in front of you and the clock would appear to go backwards.
I tried to explain it, and I did my best, etc.

God Bless.
 
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You are traveling at 86% light speed to a distance ten light minutes away, it adds 1.14 more minutes in both the trip there, and 1.14 minutes on the way back
You only said that it adds 1.14 minutes, you didn’t explain why.
 
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I tried to explain it, and I did my best, etc.

God Bless.
Do you understand what I was saying? If time actually stopped while you were traveling at the speed of light the light would also stop. So you would be traveling at an instantaneous speed since you’re changing your position in zero time. So you would end up passing the light that was in front of you when you left which would make the clock appear to go backwards.
 
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