J.D. Vance: Women who have not given birth, such as Kamala Harris, are “childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives,”

[DaisyDay]

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It’s remarkably difficult to find anything for that year. 3rd century, tons of stuff; 3rd year, nada.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I already did that. I explained what he most likely actually meant looking at it objectively. As opposed to the hyperbolic spin that he's viciously attacking and victimizing women, lgbtq, people with cats, people without kids, ete etc.

You explained it this way:

JD Vance feels that politicians who are childless don't care as much about the future as those who do have children. That's what the comment meant. As I heard a parent once say regarding the future, "It's not us we have to worry about, it's our kids".

^THAT^ is the interpretation to which I'm responding. Not that he's Hitler or anything else. That childless people don't care as much about the future. It's both insulting and idiotic for a number of reasons, not the least of which being that NIMBY's with kids exist all over the place. Doing the best thing for one's kids and doing the best thing for society are not only not the same thing; they can often be at odds with each other, since "doing the best for one's kids" can often entail placing them at an advantage relative to others.

 

[ozso]

You explained it this way:


^THAT^ is the interpretation to which I'm responding. Not that he's Hitler or anything else. That childless people don't care as much about the future. It's both insulting and idiotic for a number of reasons, not the least of which being that NIMBY's with kids exist all over the place. Doing the best thing for one's kids and doing the best thing for society are not only not the same thing; they can often be at odds with each other, since "doing the best for one's kids" can often entail placing them at an advantage relative to others.

I'm not insulted by it and I relate to it. I usually don't look ahead beyond my own demise. But I understand, it's the latest thing for the other side to express outrage and virtue signal over. Oh and vilify of course.

 

[Sif]

It’s remarkably difficult to find anything for that year. 3rd century, tons of stuff; 3rd year, nada.

If 3 is a reference to AD 3 (AKA 3 CE) there would have been, in Europe, the Roman attempt at pacifying Germania beyond the Rhine. That occurred between 9 BC and AD 9. It was likely in fall of AD 9 that the tribal coalition under Arminius defeated Quintilius Varus' forces in the Teutoburger Forest. So, no, no peace or lack of war in AD 3.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I'm not insulted by it and I relate to it. I usually don't look ahead beyond my own demise.

I suppose the honesty is good, but that speaks very poorly of you. Do most of the people you know act that way? Because most of the people I know do not act that way, at least not deliberately.

 

[RoBo1988]

Former Biden supporter, Ms Sasha Stone's take on JD's "cat lady" comment

Feminists for Trump

Of "Preachy women" and "Childless cat ladies"...

sashastone.substack.com

 

[iluvatar5150]

Former Biden supporter, Ms Sasha Stone's take on JD's "cat lady" comment

Feminists for Trump

Of "Preachy women" and "Childless cat ladies"...

sashastone.substack.com

lol, this piece was just a big string of poor arguments and Republican propaganda. Her rebuttal to Vance's comments about non-parents not caring about the future is nothing more than a strawman fallacy:

They can shame JD Vance all they want, but it is true that if you’ve had children and raised them, you understand things that people who have never had children will never understand, and every honest person knows that.

If you raised them, changed their diapers, wiped their noses, held them when they cried, listened to them when they babbled, rocked them to sleep, tended to their fevers, dressed them and fed them every day you will know your child better than any counselor or teacher ever could. Why would they want to diminish that?

Nobody is claiming that parents don't have greater insight into their own kids. Of course they do. That's not what Vance was talking about.

 

[ozso]

I suppose the honesty is good, but that speaks very poorly of you. Do most of the people you know act that way? Because most of the people I know do not act that way, at least not deliberately.

Like I said, when one has kids they're more mindful of their kids and grandkids future than of their own. From the very beginning their kids future is a foremost thing on their mind. Since I never had kids, that's never been implanted in my mind. That's just a simple thing of life, rather than whatever dark creepy sinister thing you seem determined to paint it as.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Like I said, when one has kids they're more mindful of their kids and grandkids future than of their own. From the very beginning their kids future is a foremost thing on their mind. Since I never had kids, that's never been implanted in my mind. That's just a simple thing of life, rather than whatever dark creepy sinister thing you seem determined to paint it as.

I can understand the logic behind such a belief; I just don't know anybody who actually thinks that way. Do people button up their own finances and personal habits after having kids? Sure. Do they treat the world at large differently? Not in my experience.

 

[ozso]

I was actually friends with a next door neighbor cat lady named Mrs. Blankenship when I was a wee lad. She had at least 15 cats. Had a small fenced in yard that was topped with chicken wire. I used to pay her little visits.

 

[ozso]

I can understand the logic behind such a belief; I just don't know anybody who actually thinks that way. Do people button up their own finances and personal habits after having kids? Sure. Do they treat the world at large differently? Not in my experience.

I have no idea what you're going on about. Since I have no kids and grandkids I don't think about their future because they don't exist. Has nothing whatsoever to do with how I treat the world (whatever that means exactly). BTW, it's not after having kids. Your kids are always your kids. A 60 year old man is still a baby to his 80 year old father. I heard a grandparent once say, the children of my children are twice my children.

 

[iluvatar5150]

It is not the flipping of a switch. It is the norm, but it happens over months and years.

Maybe it's just the circles in which I run, but most everybody I know is already conscientious of the world around them, whether or not they have kids.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I have no idea what you're going on about.

wut

Since I have no kids and grandkids I don't think about their future because they don't exist. Has nothing whatsoever to do with how I treat the world (whatever that means exactly).

Vance's point was that having kids does influence how you treat the world, and that childless people are less trustworthy as leaders because they don't have a "direct stake" in the future of our country.

Here's the clip if you haven't seen it:

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[ozso]

Maybe it's just the circles in which I run, but most everybody I know is already conscientious of the world around them, whether or not they have kids.

We're talking about the level of mindfulness regarding the future. When you're childless, you plan for your future. When you have kids, you plan for their future.

 

[ozso]

wut





Vance's point was that having kids does influence how you treat the world, and that childless people are less trustworthy as leaders because they don't have a "direct stake" in the future of our country.

Here's the clip if you haven't seen it:

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Yes that's right, a direct stake in the future. It's far more here and now for those without children.

 

[iluvatar5150]

We're talking about the level of mindfulness regarding the future. When you're childless, you plan for your future. When you have kids, you plan for their future.

And Vance was talking about mindfulness, regarding the future of the country, of people who've been elected to office.

 

[Merrill]

"In a video drawn from a 2021 interview on Fox News’s “Tucker Carlson Tonight,” J.D. Vance, now the GOP vice-presidential nominee, said that Harris and other prominent Democrats (including Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg and Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez) “don’t really have a direct stake” in the country’s future because they are “people without children.” In the clip, which has amassed more than 25 million views since it was shared Monday on X, Vance also refers to Democrats as “a bunch of childless cat ladies who are miserable at their own lives and the choices they’ve made.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/parenting/2024/07/24/kamala-harris-childless/

Harris is the step-mother of two children.
Buttigieg has two children (born in 2022).

and where is the lie?

 

[ozso]

And Vance was talking about mindfulness, regarding the future of the country, of people who've been elected to office.

Yes, I know.

 

[RoBo1988]

Nobody is claiming that parents don't have greater insight into their own kids. Of course they do. That's not what Vance was talking about.

Of course they do... Oh wait

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/us/california-schools-parents-pronouns/index.html

For the record, we have 4 cats; 3 of them because my stepdaughter didn't take the late Bob Barker's advice.

 

[Laodicean60]

Of course they do... Oh wait

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/15/us/california-schools-parents-pronouns/index.html

For t

My wife told me about this yesterday. This is ridiculous and it shows that the government is imposing on our liberties or rights as parents. She also told me that my little nephew was being talked to by his teacher about gender and mommy had to give him a class on biology (El Paso). Some states have taken kids away from their parents because of this lunacy of transgenderism. I get the fear and it's real!