On Eve of GOP Convention, Faith Leaders Warn Against White Christian Nationalism

[Pommer]

I am curious: How many of these people do you know? I have spent many years in conservative Christian churches without ever once hearing of such nonsense. Is this a 'hot topic' in your church?

I’ve never personally seen the Parthenon but am assured of its existence from others.

 

[eleos1954]

hardly

obviously

not what's going on here.

There are white nationalists. There are Christian nationalists. Where those two circles overlap on the Venn diagram, you have white Christian nationalists.

Not all Christians are nationalists
Not all whites are Christians
Not all nationalists are white
We could go on and on, but the speech was warning about white Christian nationalism.

Are there non-white "christian nationalists" ??? Whenever one attaches a group with a skin color it is racist against that skin color.

Are Venn diagrams accurate?

Venn diagrams, often characterized by their overlapping circles, can inadvertently create a false impression of the sizes of the sets they represent. The issue arises from the inherent limitations of Venn diagrams, where the circles' sizes are typically not proportional to the actual cardinalities of the sets.Sep 21, 2023

 

[essentialsaltes]

I mean if the topic was simply 'nationalism' then you wouldn't be here.

Oh wouldn't I?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Venn diagrams, often characterized by their overlapping circles, can inadvertently create a false impression of the sizes of the sets they represent.

How fortunate for me that I did not present a Venn diagram. There is no way I could have misled you.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Are there non-white "christian nationalists" ??? Whenever one attaches a group with a skin color it is racist against that skin color.

Yes, of course there are. For example the Lt. Gov. of NC.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Oh wouldn't I?

Considering it is George Orwell, Mr. Dystopia himself, It is a pretty inaccurate description of nationalism.
Nice try though......

 

[civilwarbuff]

I’ve never personally seen the Parthenon but am assured of its existence from others.

I have never personally seen an extraterrestrial but I also am assured of their existence from others.

 

[Larniavc]

there are many Christians that aren't "white".

They are not White Christian Nationalists though. They are not the subject.

 

[bèlla]

What we know about the White nationalist group Patriot Front

With their faces concealed behind white cloths and sunglasses, dozens of protesters marched down the streets of downtown Nashville this weekend, chanting “Sieg Heil” and “Deportation saves the nation,” according to a statement from the Tennessee Democratic Party.

“Reclaim America,” one banner at the front of the group read. Behind it, uniformed marchers in dark shirts and khaki-colored pants hoisted a plethora of Confederate and historic US flags, with some of the American flags turned upside down.

Their attire and tactics are hallmarks of the Patriot Front white supremacist group, with which the protesters are believed to be affiliated. And they’re just part of a multifaceted shift in political rhetoric purportedly aiming to drastically reshape America during this crucial presidential election cycle.

Patriot Front “is a white nationalist hate group that formed in the aftermath of the deadly ‘Unite the Right’ rally in Charlottesville, Virginia,” according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

“The organization broke off from Vanguard America (VA), a neo-Nazi group that participated in the chaotic demonstration,” the SPLC website adds.

“Members of the white supremacist group Patriot Front believe that their ancestors conquered America and bestowed it to them, and no one else,” according to the ADL.

“Patriot Front defines itself as an organization of “American nationalists,” justifying its hate and intolerance under the guise of preserving America’s identity as a “Pan-European nation."

The group’s manifesto claims those in America who are not of European ancestry are not truly American.

“To be an American is to be a descendant of conquerors, pioneers, visionaries, and explorers. This unique identity was given to us by our ancestors, and this national spirit remains firmly rooted in our blood,” the Patriot Front’s manifesto states.

“Nationhood cannot be bestowed upon those who are not of the founding stock of our people, and those who do not share the common spirit that permeates our greater civilization, and the European diaspora,” the manifesto adds.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Especially since the KKK was a democrat organization which has lasted until today.

Democrat or Republican is irrelevant. As you agree it still exists.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Considering it is George Orwell, Mr. Dystopia himself, It is a pretty inaccurate description of nationalism.
Nice try though......

Your irrelevant criticism aside, the point is that I came out against nationalism, contradicting your accusation.

 

[Rajni]

I'm with Einstein on the subject:

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."



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[rjs330]

What we know about the White nationalist group Patriot Front

With their faces concealed behind white cloths and sunglasses, dozens of protesters marched down the streets of downtown Nashville this weekend, chanting “Sieg Heil” and “Deportation saves the nation,” according to a statement from the Tennessee Democratic Party.

“Reclaim America,” one banner at the front of the group read. Behind it, uniformed marchers in dark shirts and khaki-colored pants hoisted a plethora of Confederate and historic US flags, with some of the American flags turned upside down.

Their attire and tactics are hallmarks of the Patriot Front white supremacist group, with which the protesters are believed to be affiliated. And they’re just part of a multifaceted shift in political rhetoric purportedly aiming to drastically reshape America during this crucial presidential election cycle.

Patriot Front “is a white nationalist hate group that formed in the aftermath of the deadly ‘Unite the Right’ rally in Charlottesville, Virginia,” according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

“The organization broke off from Vanguard America (VA), a neo-Nazi group that participated in the chaotic demonstration,” the SPLC website adds.

“Members of the white supremacist group Patriot Front believe that their ancestors conquered America and bestowed it to them, and no one else,” according to the ADL.

“Patriot Front defines itself as an organization of “American nationalists,” justifying its hate and intolerance under the guise of preserving America’s identity as a “Pan-European nation."

The group’s manifesto claims those in America who are not of European ancestry are not truly American.

“To be an American is to be a descendant of conquerors, pioneers, visionaries, and explorers. This unique identity was given to us by our ancestors, and this national spirit remains firmly rooted in our blood,” the Patriot Front’s manifesto states.

“Nationhood cannot be bestowed upon those who are not of the founding stock of our people, and those who do not share the common spirit that permeates our greater civilization, and the European diaspora,” the manifesto adds.

Craziness come in all makes and models. The trouble with groups like this on both sides of the aisle is they damage the message on the side they are on. I sure wish there was a way to remove them from the side. I totally reject their ideology. As I'm sure those on the other side totally reject the ideology of some groups on their side. I just don't know what to do about it. I'm just a guy. I would never vote for anyone who came from a group like that and I'm sure most democrats would never vote for a known antifa-member.

Geez I wish there was a way to get rid of them. But having them around is tge price of freedom.

 

[bèlla]

Craziness come in all makes and models. The trouble with groups like this on both sides of the aisle is they damage the message on the side they are on.

I've never heard of them but noticed messages along those lines on Twitter. I don't go there often but the rhetoric spurs a lot of hateful comments about minorities and other groups. And the women are just as bad. There's a lot of disgruntled people in the country and you'd never guess by their appearance. We must remain vigilant in prayer. There's a lot we're not aware of but the Lord knows and we need His guidance.

~bella

 

[civilwarbuff]

Your irrelevant criticism aside, the point is that I came out against nationalism, contradicting your accusation.

With an opinion from a fiction writer......uh, OK.....

 

[christian-surfer]

Ghandi was a nationalist as was Chiang Kai-shek (China) who opposed the communists. There was nationalist movements in Africa that opposed British rule, there was Ukrainian nationalism, the French revolution was nationalistic in some sense. Nationalist in Europe may involve people who don't want to be part of the European Union.

Other Nationalists oppose Globalism. If you oppose NAFTA then that could be considered nationalistic or if you believe in stronger border controls. Most countries in the world have border controls or controls on immigration. If that is nationalistic or fascist then most of the world fits that category. Immigration to Thailand or many countries has many hurdles and is not easy

There's various kinds of nationalism. It would be just as easy to claim that liberals are communists as how they paint others and throw them into one large categorization

 

[BCP1928]

This all sounds so bit like the boogeyman to me.

I don't think thus group is any more dangerous than any other small time radical group.

All this talk about them having influence over Trump and setting up some sort of Christian Theocracy ket alone a white one is ridiculous. The only theocracy we gave to be concerned with us the Anti Christ.

This country will never be one until he comes along.

If Trump gets in he certainly won't be creating one.

I wonder if this scare tactic is just another attempt at trying to stop people from voting for Trump.

Then why are Republicans electing them? Speaker Johnson is an outspoken Christian Nationalist and many of the Freedom Caucus are as well.

 

[Pommer]

I have never personally seen an extraterrestrial but I also am assured of their existence from others.

That’s nice, here’s a link to help bring you up to speed. It’s from the Public Religion Research Institute, which seems a bit lefty, but the info should still be good.

 

[rjs330]

Ghandi was a nationalist as was Chiang Kai-shek (China) who opposed the communists. There was nationalist movements in Africa that opposed British rule, there was Ukrainian nationalism, the French revolution was nationalistic in some sense. Nationalist in Europe may involve people who don't want to be part of the European Union.

Other Nationalists oppose Globalism. If you oppose NAFTA then that could be considered nationalistic or if you believe in stronger border controls. Most countries in the world have border controls or controls on immigration. If that is nationalistic or fascist then most of the world fits that category. Immigration to Thailand or many countries has many hurdles and is not easy

There's various kinds of nationalism. It would be just as easy to claim that liberals are communists as how they paint others and throw them into one large categorization

Norway is very nationalistic. There is nothing wrong with Nationalism for Nationalism sake. Really it's the leaders that matter.

 

[rjs330]

Then why are Republicans electing them? Speaker Johnson is an outspoken Christian Nationalist and many of the Freedom Caucus are as well.

There is nothing wrong with Nationalism and being a Christian.

What has Johnson done that is so dangerous?