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Biden’s recent statement to donors saying “it’s time to put Trump in a bullseye.”

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This thread is about Biden, the post I am responding to is whataboutism
I was answering a question.
I don't remember asking you anything.
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silly conspiracies involving Obama's birth certificate, or even violent rhetoric in the corners of the Internet..
I was talking about the divisive and incendiary rhetoric of a prominent GOP politician, not some remote corner of the internet..

trying to assassinate a presidential candidate
If you're talking about Saturday, that was a registered republican.
yes, all the violent rhetoric needs to stop, and the temperature needs to go way down,
agree
but I am not going to sit here and pretend..
Oh, you're pretending, but you ain't foolin' anyone.
 
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Sure, sure and this young, white, Republican took that to heart...
Yeah this kid cares about politics enough to register as a republican in a state where democrats do that in order to mess with rwpublican elections. And he doea that with a Democrat mother and a non-republican father and then doesn't say or post a thing afterwards relating to anything political at all. Not for anything or against anything. He joins no groups and has zero social media activity.

But what we do know is that he IS a republican through and through, believes in the republican party and it's platform. And as a republican decides he has to.take out the republican candidate.

Yup he's a true republican all right. His entire life and writings, postings, voting record opinions say so.
 
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My team? What team would that be? I never called him Hitler or Stalin , so you can drop that lie right now.
Yeah your team. Unless somehow you have just changed sides and become a staunch conservative.

I didn't say a single untrue word and I'll say it again. There were people on your side who kept claiming Trump is dangerous. A Democratic congressman said Trump can't be allowed to win and is dangerous and he has to be eliminated.
however I have never rejoiced in violence towards him or anyone else so you should apologize for that. And check the beam in your own eye.
Never said you did. But it's pure hypocrisy to attack Trump for his so called dangerous rhetoric and not do the same thing regarding people on your side. No you didn't say a peep against it. In fact I bet you defended it.
We should wait before coming to conclusions about this guy. Perhaps we should also wait before bashing the other side.
Yes we should wait, and you should take your own advice.
 
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Yeah this kid cares about politics enough to register as a republican in a state where democrats do that in order to mess with rwpublican elections. And he doea that with a Democrat mother and a non-republican father and then doesn't say or post a thing afterwards relating to anything political at all. Not for anything or against anything. He joins no groups and has zero social media activity.

His classmates all said that he was a political conservative in highschool. Not just somewhat conservative, but reflexively so about everything.



Crooks' father was registered Libertarian, which in US politics often is just another way of saying conservative and suspicious of government. And just because his mom was registered Democrat doesn't mean much. In the Midwest in particular at one time there were alot of people that register as Democrats because of social class or ethnicity.

It's important to not politicize an event like this. Most presidential assassins in recent years have been motivated by mental illness and insanity, not politics.
 
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Yeah this kid cares about politics enough to register as a republican in a state where democrats do that in order to mess with rwpublican elections. And he doea that with a Democrat mother and a non-republican father and then doesn't say or post a thing afterwards relating to anything political at all. Not for anything or against anything. He joins no groups and has zero social media activity.

But what we do know is that he IS a republican through and through, believes in the republican party and it's platform. And as a republican decides he has to.take out the republican candidate.

Yup he's a true republican all right. His entire life and writings, postings, voting record opinions say so.
His classmates indicate as such.
 
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Yeah this kid cares about politics enough to register as a republican in a state where democrats do that in order to mess with rwpublican elections.
Yes, we have closed primaries in PA.
This notion that other party members register as a Republican to “mess with republican elections” is just nonsense though...unless you want to back it up with verifiable data, that is.
 
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Yes, we have closed primaries in PA.
This notion that other party members register as a Republican to “mess with republican elections” is just nonsense though...unless you want to back it up with verifiable data, that is.
I'm sure it happens, but I don't think it's especially common. At least, no one I know has done it.
 
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I'm sure it happens, but I don't think it's especially common. At least, no one I know has done it.
Especially PA where once one gets ten miles from a city it’s deep dark red.
 
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Since when did prophesies need to match reality 100% for Christians to run with them?
We appreciate the input from our local scriptural expert. Thank you.
1 Cor 2:14
 
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We appreciate the input from our local scriptural expert. Thank you.
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I still stand by it. Just watching believing Christians discuss among themselves we can see that many jump the gun on attributing prophetic design to various events. Other Christians agree with me here.

Its not a Christian thing per se. Its just human nature to project meaning onto events when the lack of meaning makes us uneasy.
 
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I still stand by it. Just watching believing Christians discuss among themselves we can see that many jump the gun on attributing prophetic design to various events. Other Christians agree with me here.

Its not a Christian thing per se. Its just human nature to project meaning onto events when the lack of meaning makes us uneasy.
Nothing EVER has a lack of meaning.....it is just there are some people (usually the same crowd) that are unwilling or unable to accept it.
 
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Nothing EVER has a lack of meaning.....it is just there are some people (usually the same crowd) that are unwilling or unable to accept it.
We can read meaning into virtually anything.
 
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Nothing EVER has a lack of meaning.....it is just there are some people (usually the same crowd) that are unwilling or unable to accept it.
The need for meaning is in the mind of the beholder. Some people need more than others to feel at ease, and so they pile on unnecessary complications and designs.
 
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The need for meaning is in the mind of the beholder. Some people need more than others to feel at ease, and so they pile on unnecessary complications and designs.
Can't disagree with that......
 
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His classmates all said that he was a political conservative in highschool. Not just somewhat conservative, but reflexively so about everything.



Crooks' father was registered Libertarian, which in US politics often is just another way of saying conservative and suspicious of government. And just because his mom was registered Democrat doesn't mean much. In the Midwest in particular at one time there were alot of people that register as Democrats because of social class or ethnicity.

It's important to not politicize an event like this. Most presidential assassins in recent years have been motivated by mental illness and insanity, not politics.
Of course it's important. Until we know exactly why a person tries to assassinate a presidential candidate it's perfectly reasonable to ascribe political reasoning of rhe shooter. And it's perfectly reasonable to suspect the vitrioloc rhetoric against Trump played a part. Was it the cause? Probably not solely. And I certainly don't believe Biden meant a literal bullseye. He wad using pitical speech. Just like Trump and umpteen other politicians used the word fight ad political speech and didn't mean it literally. When the Democrat congressman said Trump needed to be eliminated I don't think he meant literally. But we all have to recognize that when it gets that bad as calling someone Hitler and a threat to all people that it might help some weak minded person decide to take action.

Rhe responsibility of the shooting is on the shooter alone. But it should give us pause and make us consider how our rhetoric effects others.
 
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