vain repetitions

[Xeno.of.athens]

What do you think that the Lord means when he says "Thus therefore shall you pray"?

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.​

(Matthew 6:5-13 KJV)
Can you obey the Lord's command without praying the Lord's prayer?

 

[Grip Docility]

What do you think that the Lord means when he says "Thus therefore shall you pray"?

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.​

(Matthew 6:5-13 KJV)
Can you obey the Lord's command without praying the Lord's prayer?

My Sibling in Jesus, I believe this is referring to the persons Heart behind the words, that is praying.

Romans 8:26 In the same way the Spirit also joins to help in our weakness, because we do not know what to pray for as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with unspoken groanings.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

What do you think that the Lord means when he says "Thus therefore shall you pray"?

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.​

(Matthew 6:5-13 KJV)
Can you obey the Lord's command without praying the Lord's prayer?

Key word "vain", producing no result and useless. Our Lord's prayer does not fit that description. We know that when we pray to our Father through His Son Jesus Christ of Nazareth we pray with the power of His Holy Spirit. The heathens, pray to false god's who do not exist so it IS in vain. Blessings.

 

[ozso]

What do you think that the Lord means when he says "Thus therefore shall you pray"?

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.​

(Matthew 6:5-13 KJV)
Can you obey the Lord's command without praying the Lord's prayer?

Jesus said to pray in that manor. How you should pray, not what you should pray.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

My Sibling in Jesus, I believe this is referring to the persons Heart behind the words, that is praying.

Romans 8:26 In the same way the Spirit also joins to help in our weakness, because we do not know what to pray for as we should, but the Spirit Himself intercedes for us with unspoken groanings.

I quoted from the King James Version because it uses the expression "vain repetitions." I've met a few people who say that praying the Lord's Prayer every Sunday in the liturgy is vain repetition. I think they mean it is repeating the same prayer without truly meaning it in one's heart. So, I wrote this post to ask how a Christian can obey what Jesus says in the passage without praying the Lord's Prayer, because Jesus says, "Thus therefore shall you pray ..." (Matthew 6:9 DRB), which implies that the Lord's Prayer should be part of a Christian's way of praying. So, what you say is right. Additionally, praying the Lord's Prayer in the liturgy is a good and wholesome part of the Church's prayer.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Jesus said to pray in that manor. How you should pray, not what you should pray.

The King James Version is the Bible translated by the Church of England, commissioned by King James I of England. In the Church of England, the Lord's Prayer is recited as part of the liturgy.

 

[eleos1954]

What do you think that the Lord means when he says "Thus therefore shall you pray"?

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.​

(Matthew 6:5-13 KJV)
Can you obey the Lord's command without praying the Lord's prayer?

Yes

The heathen looked upon their prayers as having in themselves merit to atone for sin. Hence the longer the prayer the greater the merit.

God desires the unspoken cry of the heart broken and subdued with a sense of its sin and utter weakness finds its way to the Father of all mercy.

I do not think there is anything wrong with praying the Lord's prayer occasionally. Regardless ... our prayers are to be in sincerity.

We pray to communicate with our Creator God. Prayer methods may vary, but the overall purpose is the same. The Bible is rich with wisdom about the many reasons humans can and do pray, and why God welcomes us to pray to Him. Through prayer we are relying on Him.

I think Jesus was pointing out in this particular passage that the reason for prayer should be sincere and from the heart ... not as a means to try and impress anyone. Also mentions to pray in private .... if one prays in private then there is nobody to impress.

 

[Grip Docility]

I quoted from the King James Version because it uses the expression "vain repetitions." I've met a few people who say that praying the Lord's Prayer every Sunday in the liturgy is vain repetition. I think they mean it is repeating the same prayer without truly meaning it in one's heart. So, I wrote this post to ask how a Christian can obey what Jesus says in the passage without praying the Lord's Prayer, because Jesus says, "Thus therefore shall you pray ..." (Matthew 6:9 DRB), which implies that the Lord's Prayer should be part of a Christian's way of praying. So, what you say is right. Additionally, praying the Lord's Prayer in the liturgy is a good and wholesome part of the Church's prayer.

When you pray that prayer, I know that you mean it in your heart. That was the heart of my response.

All Love to you, sibling in Jesus.

 

[RandyPNW]

What do you think that the Lord means when he says "Thus therefore shall you pray"?

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.​

(Matthew 6:5-13 KJV)
Can you obey the Lord's command without praying the Lord's prayer?

Of course one can obey the Lord's command without praying the Lord's Prayer! We are told to pray without ceasing. Vain repetition and begging for things that are uninspired by God's love aren't going to get the Lord's attention. Sincere prayer from the heart that is open to the Lord's will is always heard by God.

 

[Dan Perez]

I quoted from the King James Version because it uses the expression "vain repetitions." I've met a few people who say that praying the Lord's Prayer every Sunday in the liturgy is vain repetition. I think they mean it is repeating the same prayer without truly meaning it in one's heart. So, I wrote this post to ask how a Christian can obey what Jesus says in the passage without praying the Lord's Prayer, because Jesus says, "Thus therefore shall you pray ..." (Matthew 6:9 DRB), which implies that the Lord's Prayer should be part of a Christian's way of praying. So, what you say is right. Additionally, praying the Lord's Prayer in the liturgy is a good and wholesome part of the Church's prayer.

And Jesus says to Israel in Matt 6:7 when you pray , use NOT // ME is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE , and that Greek word says NEVER USE VAIN REPETITIONS and you use it on TV , that I have seen , many times , am I wrong ??

dan p

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Of course one can obey the Lord's command without praying the Lord's Prayer! We are told to pray without ceasing. Vain repetition and begging for things that are uninspired by God's love aren't going to get the Lord's attention. Sincere prayer from the heart that is open to the Lord's will is always heard by God.

But when the Lord himself says "This, then, is how you should pray" was he encouraging Christians to pray the prayer he gives to them?

This, then, is how you should pray: 'Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, your kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one. '​

(Matthew 6:9-13 NIV )

 

[ARBITER01]

What do you think that the Lord means when he says "Thus therefore shall you pray"?

And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.​

(Matthew 6:5-13 KJV)
Can you obey the Lord's command without praying the Lord's prayer?

Yes.

Repetitive prayers can have no heart, they could be just words thrown about.

GOD desires us to worship Him in spirit and in "Truth." I talk to Him as a person, from my heart. I share my ideas, my problems, my disappointments, my joys when things go right for me. I'm constantly thanking Him for all the things He does for me. I aim to be real with Jesus about what I think and how I feel, and there are times when He does the same to me. He has an amazing sense of humor at times also.

For me, it's an everyday relationship with Him. You should strive to find that also.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Repetitive prayers can have no heart, they could be just words thrown about.

It's okay to pray the Lord's prayer, isn't it. I pray the Lord's prayer often, it helps me to shape my intentions in prayer, it reminds me to pray for things that I sometimes forget, such as God's name being glorified, and the coming of his kingdom. I need to be reminded that in my deepest being I want God's will to be done like it is in heaven here in me and in all that I say and do and think.

 

[ozso]

It's okay to pray the Lord's prayer, isn't it. I pray the Lord's prayer often, it helps me to shape my intentions in prayer, it reminds me to pray for things that I sometimes forget, such as God's name being glorified, and the coming of his kingdom. I need to be reminded that in my deepest being I want God's will to be done like it is in heaven here in me and in all that I say and do and think.

Yes it's okay.

 

[ARBITER01]

It's okay to pray the Lord's prayer, isn't it. I pray the Lord's prayer often, it helps me to shape my intentions in prayer, it reminds me to pray for things that I sometimes forget, such as God's name being glorified, and the coming of his kingdom. I need to be reminded that in my deepest being I want God's will to be done like it is in heaven here in me and in all that I say and do and think.

I guess if that's all you wish to do, by all means carry on, but GOD is much more than just a repetitive prayer you say everyday.

 

[ozso]

I guess if that's all you wish to do, by all means carry on, but GOD is much more than just a repetitive prayer you say everyday.

I think he's saying he starts off with it as a preamble and then goes forward continuing to pray in his own words.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

I think he's saying he starts off with it as a preamble and then goes forward continuing to pray in his own words.

Often that is so, but I also pray liturgical prayers with my heart intentions guided by the words I read aloud (or silently). Prayer is a rich ground for communion with God, and the psalms and gospels and prayers of the New Testament are very comforting guides to take on the journey to God's presence. After all, God gave Israel the psalms to sing his praises in their divine worship, and he has given no less to the church.

 

[ARBITER01]

I think he's saying he starts off with it as a preamble and then goes forward continuing to pray in his own words.

A sort of pattern prayer that leads into a more personal one?

That's certainly better than just a repetition. Might I add though,..... if everything was limited to just my mind, what I was able to form in my thoughts, that would limit me. There are times when what we need inside can't be placed into words.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

A sort of pattern prayer that leads into a more personal one?

That's certainly better than just a repetition. Might I add though,..... if everything was limited to just my mind, what I was able to form in my thoughts, that would limit me. There are times when what we need inside can't be placed into words.

It is in those moments, when words fail me, that the prayers of holy scripture and the church come to my aid, providing me with God's own words to guide my unutterable yearnings in the Holy Spirit.

 

[ARBITER01]

It is in those moments, when words fail me, that the prayers of holy scripture and the church come to my aid, providing me with God's own words to guide my unutterable yearnings in the Holy Spirit.

Interesting.

You spend quite a bit of time on here discussing a wide range of subjects. I think you will reach a point where you will need something more than you have, something more than what you can find to help you. Something that only GOD can give you inside beyond what you have.

Hopefully you do.