Is modern Western Civilization headed down the path of Sodom?

[Grip Docility]

Ezekiel 16:49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.

Hermeneutic understanding of this passage binds to this specific passage of scripture.​

Matthew 25:41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’

45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’

This binds to these verses.​

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John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”

James 2:8 If you really keep the royal law found in Scripture, “Love your neighbor as yourself,” you are doing right. 9 But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10 For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11 For he who said, “You shall not commit adultery,” also said, “You shall not murder.” If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker. 12 Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13 because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

By Colossians 1, we know that Jesus Christ's blood atoned for all creation. Because of this, we are not to count those that haven't repented from self to Jesus as "not our neighbor". In fact, we are to count even the unrepentant as "the least of these". They are enemies of the gospel in many instances, yet Peter writes this oddity.​

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2 Peter 2:21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they had known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.​

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(The Holy Commandment) John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. 35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.”​

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Under the very words; "Be ye perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect", Jesus teaches us to Love far beyond our "family". He states that even the heathens do that. To display the "Perfect Love" of our heavenly Father, we are to love, even our enemies as Jesus did on the cross. Paul even specifies that we were all, once enemies of God. This is why I am scripturally unable to reconcile peace with any doctrine that limits the flow of Jesus Christ's Blood. It would be defaming the core of the Gospel which Jesus and all of the Apostles speak of, time and time again.​

We have fat provision as Western Civilization. Even those in poverty have more than most in other locations. We are steeped with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Jesus forgave All Sin of the Old Covenant. We are under the Law of Love. We have deep knowledge of the Love of Jesus Christ unto all mankind, yet many doctrines dam up Love unto all mankind.​

The Physical reading of the Sheep and the Goats is very obvious, but the Spiritual reading of the Sheep and the Goats is very upsetting.

I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.

Matthew 25:42,43 I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat

Jesus is the very Bread of life that teaches us to Love one another. That is His easy yoke. It is fulfilling to Love as God Loves, by His indwelling. His bread is free to all and especially satisfying to beggars​

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I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,

If a person simply turns from self to Jesus, He instantly indwells them, as they are (thanks to personal repentance), and bubbles up a fountain of Wisdom and Love that again implores one to satisfy humanity with the Magnificent Bread of Life (Jesus). The words that proceed from HIS MOUTH satisfy the most broken of souls.​

43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in,

Spiritually, this is a twofold wonder. Strangers in need, that would be healed by the Gospel are not allowed to enter Physical Brick and Mortar buildings as Brethren, because of their Physical Sins, that Jesus Christ's blood atoned for. They are shunned. Many people also shun these same people because of their physical sins that Jesus atoned for.​

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The other wonder of this verse is that it suggests that people who transgress the Royal Law (Love our neighbor's as Jesus Loved us), have driven Jesus out of their lives and by not turning back to his Royal Commandment (Love), they have shut Him out of their Souls.​

I needed clothes and you did not clothe me,

The wedding garment has been provided for every human being that has ever lived. It is merely Repentance and willingness to become a vessel of LOVE (God's indwelling), that leads us to Love as Commanded by His work, not ours. Even the most carnally destitute of mankind can PUT ON JESUS CHRIST for the mere cost of Surrender/Repentance unto Him, which always results in Unfettered Love unto mankind that Breaks Chains.​

I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.

There is no greater Prison than slavery to a system that is unloving. Jesus is the only key to this prison! But, even so, those that have much financially, could help those that live in areas that rebuke the Gospel and imprison it's witnesses. That last part was carnal, but back to Spiritual, Chains of addiction are not broken by physical will, but Love. Love is the source of all healing in this world. Hate is born of everything else.​

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I don't have the right to indict humanity of Western Civilization. I can merely ask this question. Has the Royal Commandment of LOVE been exalted unto the greatest and the least, within Western Civilization? Do those who have been forgiven much, love much? These are personal questions to work out with fear and trembling. IMO​

 

[d taylor]

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We are headed to the tribulation, well that will be unbelievers.

 

[Grip Docility]

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We are headed to the tribulation, well that will be unbelievers.

God knows the appointed Day and Hour, for certain. I have resolved that it could come tomorrow or 1000 years from today. All I can personally do is live each day under the Royal Command and thank Jesus for His ways that in all honesty are captured well at the close of the book of John.

John 21:25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written.

All Love in Jesus Christ to you, d taylor

 

[Reasonably Sane]

For decades people have tried to compare the US to ancient Rome. Though there were similarities, it really ramped up in just the last decade. We've now pretty much reached the level of sexual decadence they had reached. Couple that with the exposure to the world that we are and have been in recent time, leaderless, I think we are headed for trouble before next year. Big trouble.

But that's just my analysis from my following of history and current events. We'll see. Time will tell.

 

[Grip Docility]

For decades people have tried to compare the US to ancient Rome. Though there were similarities, it really ramped up in just the last decade. We've now pretty much reached the level of sexual decadence they had reached. Couple that with the exposure to the world that we are and have been in recent time, leaderless, I think we are headed for trouble before next year. Big trouble.

But that's just my analysis from my following of history and current events. We'll see. Time will tell.

Good Sir, did you read the OP in totality? By no means is this a remark intended to give you difficulty or ask that you devote the time it takes to read through it, as it is not a quick read. I, in fact, appreciate your response! I only ask, because I have a conviction that I shared and wanted to know your opinion on the matter.

If you keep it at this response, know that I deeply appreciate the time you took to share it. If you have a direct response to the OP that is to come, I will be looking forward to that, as well.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

Good Sir, did you read the OP in totality? By no means is this a remark intended to give you difficulty or ask that you devote the time it takes to read through it, as it is not a quick read. I, in fact, appreciate your response! I only ask, because I have a conviction that I shared and wanted to know your opinion on the matter.

If you keep it at this response, know that I deeply appreciate the time you took to share it. If you have a direct response to the OP that is to come, I will be looking forward to that, as well.

I just realized that a lot of your text in your post was hidden because I have my browser set to a black background.

 

[Grip Docility]

I just realized that a lot of your text in your post was hidden because I have my browser set to a black background.

Oh no! Sorry about that! Thank you for sleuthing the matter out!

 

[NBB]

The bible say wickedness would increase, and i am concerned about something related to this post, is like even christians sometimes, bite 'your hand if you 'feed' them, idk whats going on, seem like helping people backfires, so a lot of people just stop trying to help because the people they help are super ungrateful.

 

[Grip Docility]

The bible say wickedness would increase, and i am concerned about something related to this post, is like even christians sometimes, bite 'your hand if you 'feed' them, idk whats going on, seem like helping people backfires, so a lot of people just stop trying to help because the people they help are super ungrateful.

This is where the Law of Freedom (Love your neighbor as yourself) brings suffering. We don't carry the gear of the Romans 1 mile, if asked. We carry it two miles.

We get cursed, we turn and give blessing of a sincere heart. It's not an easy call. It would be a lot easier if the church would just surrender to the Royal Law (Love your neighbor as yourself) and count Christ's blood all powerful to save even the most condemned of sinners. It would be a lot easier if we could all just bind together in agreement.

Satan has been busy sewing division, unfortunately.

We just Love, you, I and those in the know. We Love until we see change, then Love some more. I don't speak of carnal change, but hearts that express gratitude. We Love as Jesus loved. It's an easy yoke, but it can bring us into bad places. We all are only capable of doing this as abundantly as our circumstances allow.

Take Heart Sibling in Jesus. One act of Love beats back 1000 acts of hate. All Love in Jesus to you, Sibling who depends on His Love and extends it to others.

 

[dlamberth]

This is where the Law of Freedom (Love your neighbor as yourself) brings suffering. We don't carry the gear of the Romans 1 mile, if asked. We carry it two miles.

We get cursed, we turn and give blessing of a sincere heart. It's not an easy call. It would be a lot easier if the church would just surrender to the Royal Law (Love your neighbor as yourself) and count Christ's blood all powerful to save even the most condemned of sinners. It would be a lot easier if we could all just bind together in agreement.

Satan has been busy sewing division, unfortunately.

We just Love, you, I and those in the know. We Love until we see change, then Love some more. I don't speak of carnal change, but hearts that express gratitude. We Love as Jesus loved. It's an easy yoke, but it can bring us into bad places. We all are only capable of doing this as abundantly as our circumstances allow.

Take Heart Sibling in Jesus. One act of Love beats back 1000 acts of hate. All Love in Jesus to you, Sibling who depends on His Love and extends it to others.

I truly believe that your message would touch hearts more clearly if Christianity itself actually "preached" Love. Love, as in your post, is pointed to. But to step up and preach Love as a reality in ones life, that's a whole different level of acting.

 

[Grip Docility]

I truly believe that your message would touch hearts more clearly if Christianity itself actually "preached" Love. Love, as in your post, is pointed to. But to step up and preach Love as a reality in ones life, that's a whole different level of acting.

It's an easy yoke until we realize that the Enemy has be extra busy while we were sleeping. You are 1,000,000 percent correct! Love is a verb, not a noun. It is best served with action.

This said; Thank you so very much for your kind words and call to action! All Love in Jesus Christ to you who clearly rests within His Love and though painful because of the deep presence of "hate" (darkness) in this world, gives that Love as often as possible.

 

[d taylor]

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Well the greatest love message a born again believer can share with a person is. How to receive God's free gift of Eternal Life salvation, by belief in Jesus, which is believing that Jesus is who He says He is The promised Messiah/Son of God, the resurrection and the life.

 

[dlamberth]

It's an easy yoke until we realize that the Enemy has be extra busy while we were sleeping.

One of the area's, there are several, where I find myself disconnected from the Christian religion are the uses of Enemy images. I tend to turn away as soon as that comes up.

But I'm wondering, what do you experience as the essence of the "Heart of Christ?" For instance, when I sit in the Heart of Christ what I experience as His essence is "Infinite, Divine, Compassion/Activated".

 

[Grip Docility]

One of the area's, there are several, where I find myself disconnected from the Christian religion are the uses of Enemy images. I tend to turn away as soon as that comes up.

I will not evoke that imagery when we are talking. Please forgive me for doing so.

But I'm wondering, what do you experience as the essence of the "Heart of Christ?" For instance, when I sit in the Heart of Christ what I experience as His essence is "Infinite, Divine, Compassion/Activated".

I don't speak of this, but I have an unbelievable sense of Compassion and Love that people actually gravitate towards in need. I'm not a magnetic person, but I kid you not, it's like I instantly am plugged in to other people when "I sit in the Heart of Christ" (Beautiful words, by the way that describe a very difficult to explain experience). I speak Love into people that makes them smile, brings them to tears of joy and heals their soul, when in that state. I was pondering on this yesterday and noticing that people were drawn to simply speak to me when I was just grocery shopping. It was odd. It was overwhelming. It is a personal matter that I don't usually share this openly. I know that what is coming from me isn't of me, at that point.

 

[dlamberth]

I will not evoke that imagery when we are talking. Please forgive me for doing so.

Just so that you understand why, as soon as images of an Enemy is brought up, what has to drop to accommodate those images are images of God. And I try not to do that.

I don't speak of this, but I have an unbelievable sense of Compassion and Love that people actually gravitate towards in need. I'm not a magnetic person, but I kid you not, it's like I instantly am plugged in to other people when "I sit in the Heart of Christ" (Beautiful words, by the way that describe a very difficult to explain experience). I speak Love into people that makes them smile, brings them to tears of joy and heals their soul, when in that state. I was pondering on this yesterday and noticing that people were drawn to simply speak to me when I was just grocery shopping. It was odd. It was overwhelming. It is a personal matter that I don't usually share this openly. I know that what is coming from me isn't of me, at that point.

Nice., I like how that compassion and love manifests in you. It's God being made a reality in your actions.
But I want to get back to my question which was more Christ centered. From that place while sitting in the Heart of Christ, what do YOU "experience" as HIS essence of being? It could be very different than what I experience, and it may take some meditation time.

 

[Grip Docility]

But I want to get back to my question which was more Christ centered. From that place while sitting in the Heart of Christ, what do YOU "experience" as HIS essence of being? It could be very different than what I experience, and it may take some meditation time.

I am saying this only in exaltation of Jesus, not me. First, I recognize my need for Him. I see the gap of perfection between myself and Him that only He could and has filled with His work. The closer I draw to Him, the more I cling to His work, alone. It is a profound sense of humility. It drives me to know that He is all that is Good, while I am merely a broken vessel under His repair.

In this state, I can open scripture and read one verse, which speaks so loudly, I have had to back away and put on music to not be overwhelmed. I have to willingly calm down in the flesh to a state of peace. Then, when I open scripture, I can focus on one passage of scripture, while, by God only, recalling entire passages of scripture that bind to that scripture. I am compelled to seek out the depths of God's Love and infinite mercy. I am rendered useless to the world until I fully find out how Jesus desires me to use this. It is a matter that is now overwhelming me in my life. I dare not make Ismael, but it has been a matter that is growing on my heart, daily. I start to ask Him to allow me to see myself through His eyes of Love, yet I ache to stay in that state of Humility that allows me to get to know Him more, each day.

I don't usually share this. I apologize if it isn't the answer you were desiring. If you ask again, I will try to specify more clearly what you are asking.

If I answered this to your satisfaction, I would be grateful for you to further define your experience.

My short answer. I feel Love and Compassion capable of healing the entire world that is perpetually asking why so very much of His Body isn't sharing this in the ways that He did. I feel moved to sorrow, sometimes because of the way His Love isn't flowing as freely as it should. I get angry at doctrines that limit His infinite Love that is beyond words. I am perpetually compelled to forgive everyone that I possibly can. When I get angry at certain doctrines, I then feel overwhelmed to forgive those who believe them. I could go on, but this is really a personal matter.

You have articulated a very important question.

 

[common prophets]

There are good places and bad places in all civilizations at all times. So, or we can say the glass is half empty and half full always. So, there are some negative elements in the modern Western civilization but at the same time there are positive elements. The task is not to ask whether they are heading to the past of Sodom. The task is to ask which are the elements going towards Sodom and which are the elements going towards Eden.

 

[durangodawood]

People prefer to judge re sex than re the

Ezekiel 16:49 “‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
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People like to judge others, and society generally, re the sex things.

But the sins mentioned first, above, are trickier. They require one to look hard at ones self. Not a popular pastime.

 

[rvs]

There are good places and bad places in all civilizations at all times. So, or we can say the glass is half empty and half full always. So, there are some negative elements in the modern Western civilization but at the same time there are positive elements. The task is not to ask whether they are heading to the past of Sodom. The task is to ask which are the elements going towards Sodom and which are the elements going towards Eden.

Interesting question @common prophets

Which are the elements going towards Eden

1) What are elements?

2) What is Eden?

3) Are elements only material or also spiritual, and are they both material or spiritual?

4) If elements are moving towards Eden, how can humanity sustain this without leaving Eden?

5) How does Earth know that humanity went to Eden?

 

[rvs]

There are good places and bad places in all civilizations at all times. So, or we can say the glass is half empty and half full always. So, there are some negative elements in the modern Western civilization but at the same time there are positive elements. The task is not to ask whether they are heading to the past of Sodom. The task is to ask which are the elements going towards Sodom and which are the elements going towards Eden.

@common prophets @Mrpp

how come @Mrpp writes about Exodus at physical science and I can't.

Why is that?