Sinning Willfully, a study in Hebrews

[SabbathBlessings]

Numbers 15:32 Now while the children of Israel were in the wilderness, they found a man gathering sticks on the Sabbath day. 33 And those who found him gathering sticks brought him to Moses and Aaron, and to all the congregation. 34 They put him under guard, because it had not been explained what should be done to him.

35 Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must surely be put to death; all the congregation shall stone him with stones outside the camp.” 36 So, as the Lord commanded Moses, all the congregation brought him outside the camp and stoned him with stones, and he died.

The penalty was DEATH. The very 10 carried the highest call that those found "Sinning" by them were to be "Put to DEATH".

The literal exemplification of Sin and Death.

Now, was there any other IMPORTANT figure who was PUT TO DEATH (Outside the Camp)?

So was committing adultery Leviticus 20:10, does that mean we can commit adultery freely?

The wages of sin is death Rom 6:23 we are no longer under a theocracy- Jesus will Judge us on the last day. Same Judgement, but He gives us an opportunity to turn from our sin and be reborn in Him, but sadly many never truly accept this free gift and cling to sin over clinging to Jesus and living by His every Word.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Could you please show the word lifestyle in Hebrews 10?

I'm just going to have to Anchor to where this conversation is going to go. Matthew 23 speaks of one particular "lifestyle" that is a bad idea.

It is speaking of of sinning "Grammatically Present tense" in the way of Trampling Jesus Christ's blood, by declaring it ineffectual and nothing more than something to be Trampled by men. Hebrews 10:29

Matthew 5:13 “You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled underfoot.

This is called the SALT and the LIGHT. The Salt flavors things. It makes it desirable. Salt was a MAJOR deal. Christ's GRACE and LOVE to Sinners is the FLAVOR (Savor/Saltiness).​

Hebrews 10:29 Just think how much worse the punishment will be for those who have trampled on the Son of God, and have treated the blood of the covenant, which made us holy, as if it were common and unholy, and have insulted and disdained the Holy Spirit who brings God's mercy to us.​

This binds GOD's MERCY to Sanctification (Making HOLY). Scripture teaches that is is God's MERCY (Grace - Unmerited Favor) that Makes us HOLY. Holy = FULLY Sanctified in the eyes of God.​

To claim that God's Blood, which SAVES Sinners (Active tense, while we were yet sinners, you who are evil, only God is good), is a thing that can be overpowered by the VERY Law of MOSES which Jesus Christ FULFILLED is to Eradicate the POWER OF THE BLOOD. This renders the Blood of Jesus as something PROFANE. It is saying that God's WILLFUL JUSTIFICATION of the Unholy (UnGodly) is Wicked.​

Romans 4:5 But to the one who does not work, but believes on Him who declares the ungodly to be righteous, his faith is credited for righteousness.​

This context in Hebrews 10:26,27,28,29 draws contrast between the Gospel Revelation and Proverbs 17:15​

Proverbs 17:15 15 He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous are both alike an abomination to the Lord.​

Moses said; "Blot my name out of your book". Yet, Korah was dragged from OPEN EARTH to the bowels of Sheol. Paul Said: "I wish I could be CURSED and Cut off". Yet this same Paul also said; "Galatians 5:12 I wish the people who are bothering you would ·castrate themselves [make themselves eunuchs; L cut it off]!"...​

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Jesus? He literally said; "Father, why have You Forsaken Me"?​

God justified the Wicked and thus the Son was counted an ABOMINATION, though He KNEW NO SIN. Perfect, Loving, Kind, Merciful Jesus, who NEVER SINNED, was counted ALL SIN, for the sake of SINNERS. The Son, who has NEVER NOT Existed, and has always been PERFECTLY without SIN, BECAME our CURSE that we could be BLESSED.​

It is Blasphemy, Profanity to fail to Spiritually discern the immensity of the meaning of this. This is what the THESIS verse of this OP is saying in Context. It is saying that to rebuke Jesus Christ's Righteousness for an Embrace with the Old Covenant Law is Spiritual Adultery, Idolatry, Apostasy!​

14 “You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

If we claim that our FLESH is THE LIGHT, we set ourselves up for Herod's fate.​

Acts 12:23 On the appointed day Herod, wearing his royal robes, sat on his throne and delivered a public address to the people. They shouted, "This is the voice of a god, not of a man." Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died.​

The Fulfillment of the Law​

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

Outwardly, NOONE can out keep the Law when compared to Pharisees. Jesus called them Whited Sepulchers. He was acknowledging that they had, indeed, learned to KEEP THE ENTIRE LAW in their FLESH. To teach that they weren't Carnally Obedient to the Law is to deny the very words of Jesus Christ. Paul, also speaks of PERFECT Adherence to the LAW in his Flesh. He counts it Trash, in the same breath.​

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Jesus' Righteousness in the place of our Day to Day failures is the only way to SURPASS the righteousness of the Pharisees and Teachers of the Law! When one turns back from Jesus, to Moses, to judge a brother or themselves by Moses, they have Fallen from Grace.​

Galatians 5:4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace.​

So, we can now discuss personal lives of Believers in reference to this discussion? This will make this entire discussion go more swimmingly.

This is the Same Paul that has God say this to Him; 2 Corinthians 12:9 ... “My grace is sufficient for you, for My power is made perfect in weakness.”

Also the same Paul; I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain

When a Christian turns from Jesus to Moses, they are indeed SLAVE to Sin.

It isn't hard to spiritually discern when Marriage's use in scripture is understood. (Romans 7 summarized)

But if her husband dies, she is released from that law and is not an adulteress if she marries another man.​

This entire Romans 7 Discussion is about being released from Moses and Bound to Jesus.

Paul knows that the Law of Sin and death condemns HIM. He used to LIVE by it. He speaks of this and HIS BLAMELESS obedience to the Law.

He is contrasting the Spirit of Life against His old walk with Moses. It is His highest struggle. It also shows that Paul struggled with SIN. Is Paul condemned by Hebrews 10?

Yet, here, it seems there is CONDEMNATION coming from what I believe to be misunderstanding of NT condemnation scripture.

To live after the flesh IS to be married to Jesus and have a secret rendezvous with MOSES.

Moses (Old Wine) <------Old SKIN-----------------Believer---------------NEW SKIN-------------------->Jesus (New Wine)

The choice is simple. One must discern through scripture. There is no "In-between" on this topic.

This is why I cast the Slave woman and her son FAR FAR away from me.

I cling to Jesus and Jesus alone for this exact reason.

It is so clear when you understand it. But the warnings throughout the NT that "a little leaven leavens the whole lump" is to be taken seriously. It is good to see that the whole lump is not yet entirely leavened.

 

[Grip Docility]

So was committing adultery, does that mean we can commit adultery freely?

Here's the real question. If a person is freed from a law, what would constrain them from hurting others?

Would you commit adultery if freed from the Stone?

Here's an even more important question. Do Christians commit adultery? They do. There isn't a single congregation that doesn't deal with it.

Did Jesus Die so that we could sin, or BECAUSE we are SINNERS?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Here's an even more important question. Do Christians commit adultery? They do. There isn't a single congregation that doesn't deal with it.
Did Jesus Die so that we could sin, or BECAUSE we are SINNERS?

Same would apply to the Sabbath commandment, from the same unit of Ten, would a true Christian break God's Sabbath, when we are really profaning Christ Eze 22:26 Love does no harm, breaking what God deemed holy and blessed and forgetting what He asked us to remember is profaning Christ and doing harm to our relationship with Him.

The issue is when we start making ourselves god and decide what is love to God or love to man instead of letting God be God and obeying what He tells what is love to Him Exo 20:6 John 14:15 and what is righteousness Psa 119:172 and Truth Psa 119:151 and we start depending on our own truth and righteousness and our own sanctification instead of God's Eze 20:12, that gets dangerous.

 

[Grip Docility]

Same would apply to the Sabbath, would a true Christian break God's Sabbath,

I don't think the answer to this would please you.

when we are really profaning Christ Eze 22:26 Love does no harm, breaking what God deemed holy and blessed and forgetting what He asked us to remember is profaning Christ and doing harm.

Again, the is Spiritual meaning to these words that scripture reveals. I am uncomfortable pressing forward in this frame. It is a binary on/off matter that I don't think would be received well.

The issue is when we start making ourselves god and decide what is love to God or love to man instead of letting God be God

This is seriously touching the Garment of the matter in the flesh. Do you desire to hear what the Spirit says about this?

and obeying what He tells what is love to Him Exo 20:6 John 14:15 and what is righteousness Psa 119:172 and Truth Psa 119:151 and we start depending on our own truth and righteousness, that gets dangerous.

I dislike this discussion, because it is being pressed in a direction I don't like.

Do you really want me to answer this question per my perspective from scripture?

 

[Grip Docility]

Same would apply to the Sabbath commandment, from the same unit of Ten, would a true Christian break God's Sabbath, when we are really profaning Christ Eze 22:26 Love does no harm, breaking what God deemed holy and blessed and forgetting what He asked us to remember is profaning Christ and doing harm to our relationship with Him.

The issue is when we start making ourselves god and decide what is love to God or love to man instead of letting God be God and obeying what He tells what is love to Him Exo 20:6 John 14:15 and what is righteousness Psa 119:172 and Truth Psa 119:151 and we start depending on our own truth and righteousness, that gets dangerous.

Also, you don't have to, but could you please answer my question?

Did Jesus die so that we COULD SIN, or BECAUSE WE ARE SINNERS?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Also, you don't have to, but could you please answer my question?

Did Jesus die so that we COULD SIN, or BECAUSE WE ARE SINNERS?

He died because we have all sinned and without His Great Sacrifice we would all be lost. If He could of just taken away the law, He would never had to die. If the law was done with as so many teach, we would not need grace, and if we do not need grace, we do not need a Savior and if we do not need a Savior to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 then we would be LOST. Therefore God's law, the way He wrote and spoke on His Authority stands. Just as Jesus taught. Mat 5:18-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 John 14:15

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I dislike this discussion, because it is being pressed in a direction I don't like.

Do you really want me to answer this question per my perspective from scripture?

No, because you will go to Paul's out of context scripture to teach against the teaching of Jesus Christ, who is God. If you can provide one scripture where God says we don't have to keep His Sabbath commandment, that He personally wrote with His finger based on His Authority, He blessed the Sabbath, man cannot reverse Num 23:20 so one would need a thus saith the Lord that says in clear words just as they were clearly written we no longer need the Sabbath commandment thus saith the Lord, I have studied the bible cover to cover and there is no such teaching, all of the thus saith the Lords on the Sabbath and there are many for us to keep and not profane. Thats where my faith is, but we can agree to disagree.

 

[Grip Docility]

He died because we have all sinned and without His sacrifice we would all be lost.

This IS the Gospel.

If He could of just taken away the law, He would never had to die.

HE GAVE THE LAW. He bound HIMSELF to the Law as it's Fulfilling Sacrifice. He did this to defeat one who used God's very PERFECTION against humanity through accusation from Eden to Sinai. God had a very specific accuser sign up as part of the Law to bind the accuser's ways to writ. God used the LAW to cast Azazael from Heaven so the beast would finally be on his belly, as spoken in Genesis. The Dragon struck the Heal of God, but God crushed the Serpents POWER (HEAD). Hebrews 2:14, 1 Corinthians 15:55,56

If the law was done with as so many teach, we would not need grace, and if we do not need grace, we do not need a Savior and if we do not need a Savior to save us from our sins Mat 1:21 then we would be LOST.

We are under a new Law that is higher. We have a choice. The Blood is set before everyone's Door. The question is, who will draw the blood from the vessel and paint their doorpost?

To Resurrect Moses IS to remove the BLOOD. To place MOSES in the Grave and acknowledge that it is Jesus that is Resurrected is to Paint the Blood on our Doorpost.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This IS the Gospel.

Yes, and once Jesus heals from sin (breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12) He says go and sin NO MORE.

Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21, we are not saved in our sins.

Why Jesus taught not to break the least of these commandments because it affects our status in heaven Mat 5:19-30 and our hearts are far from Him Mat 15:3-14. Jesus wants us close and gives us the power to overcome if we have faith in and of Him and love Him. Rom 3:31 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Rev 14:12 which reconciles Rev 22:14

 

[Grip Docility]

No, because you will go to Paul's out of context scripture to teach against the teaching of Jesus Christ, who is God.

I do not profess to speak for God. I Ardently Reject, Abhor, Distain, Cast asunder any teaching from anyone that claims to be His prophet, beyond Closed Cannon.

If you can provide one scripture where God says we don't have to keep His Sabbath commandment, that He personally wrote with His finger based on His Authority, He blessed the Sabbath, man cannot reverse Num 23:20 so one would need a thus saith the Lord that says in clear words just as they were clearly written we no longer need the Sabbath commandment thus saith the Lord, I have studied the bible cover to cover and there is no such teaching, all of the thus saith the Lords on the Sabbath and there are many for us to keep and not profane.

TODAY, I tell you TODAY He offers a Rest that was not offered to the Hebrews. TODAY, TODAY we can REST in the ARMS of the LORD.

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His

Thats where my faith is, but we can agree to disagree.

Forgive me, but I would like to know this one thing. Which saves you? Jesus, or obedience to the Sabbath command (Motivation is not asked, but result. I desire no motivation for the Keeping of a command, I'm asking about the simple act).

1- Jesus
2- Keeping the Sabbath
3- Both

 

[Grip Docility]

Yes, and once Jesus heals from sin (breaking God's law 1 John 3:4 Rom 7:7 James 2:10-12) He says go and sin NO MORE.

John 16:9 The world’s sin is unbelief in me; 10 there is righteousness available because I go to the Father and you shall see me no more; 11 there is deliverance from judgment because the prince of this world has already been judged.

2 Corinthians 4:4 In their case, the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers so they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Our salvation is from sin Mat 1:21, we are not saved in our sins.

Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Paul specifically says other wise and Paul is the words of Jesus, according to Paul.

Why Jesus taught not to break the least of these commandments because it affects our status in heaven Mat 5:19-30 and our hearts are far from Him Mat 15:3-14. Jesus wants us close and gives us the power to overcome if we have faith in and of Him and love Him. Rom 3:31 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 Rev 14:12 which reconciles Rev 22:14

The literal Law of 10, the Tablets of the Covenant point out SIN and demand DEATH.

Who fulfilled that DEATH for Humanity?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

The literal Law of 10, the Tablets of the Covenant point out SIN and demand DEATH.

Who fulfilled that DEATH for Humanity?

Going in circles. We are not saved in our sins, we are saved from sin Mat 1:21 we need a conversion in Christ which means our lives change. If one is still clinging to sin, which is shown through God's law Rom 3:20 Rom 7:7 breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12 why Jesus taught not to break or teach other to break the least of these Mat 5:19-30 and God's law is a guide of what God deems is right or wrong Psa 119:172, will not be so happy when Jesus comes Mat 7:23 Rev 22:14-15 as He warns us because He loves us so much and longs for us to not fall in a ditch Mat 15:3-14. With the power of Jesus Christ we can obey His commandments John 14:15-18 and be free of the bondage of sin. It's the devil who wants us to believe we can be saved in our sin, we don't need to overcome or obey God's law, we can disobey God and live, it worked in the Garden of Eden, and he keeps using the same old tricks.

Anyway, I need to run.

God bless all!!

 

[Grip Docility]

Going in circles. We are not saved in our sins, we are saved from sin Mat 1:21

Romans 5:8 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

we need a conversion in Christ which means our lives change. If one is still clinging to sin, which is shown through God's law Rom 3:20 Rom 7:7 breaking one we break them all James 2:10-12

This should be a give away. One law condemns upon ONE Single Infraction.

James speaks of the ROYAL LAW (Love your neighbor as yourself), which FORGIVES, as WE are Forgiven.

why Jesus taught not to break or teach other to break the least of these Mat 5:19-30 and God's law is a guide of what God deems is right or wrong Psa 119:172.

Only God can deem and do Right, while distinguishing WRONG from Right.

With the power of Jesus Christ we can obey His commandments John 14:15-18 and be free of the bondage of sin.

Context for John 14:15,16,17,18

John 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

It's the devil who wants us to believe we can be saved in our sin,

Hebrews 2:14 14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—

1 Corinthians 15:55 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

we don't need to overcome or obey God's law, we can disobey God and live, it worked in the Garden of Eden, and he keeps using the same old tricks.

Jesus OVERCAME, because we fail, daily until carnal death. <- Carnal Death holds 2 meanings, here.

Anyway, I need to run.

God bless all!!

May you be safe and protected in all of your endeavors. God bless all!

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I do not profess to speak for God. I Ardently Reject, Abhor, Distain, Cast asunder any teaching from anyone that claims to be His prophet, beyond Closed Cannon.

TODAY, I tell you TODAY He offers a Rest that was not offered to the Hebrews. TODAY, TODAY we can REST in the ARMS of the LORD.

For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His

Forgive me, but I would like to know this one thing. Which saves you? Jesus, or obedience to the Sabbath command (Motivation is not asked, but result. I desire no motivation for the Keeping of a command, I'm asking about the simple act).

1- Jesus
2- Keeping the Sabbath
3- Both

Have you ever read Psalms 95 which is what Heb 4 is quoting. It doesn't say what you want it to.

It doesn't say Today we rest in Christ, as if that someone how deletes one of God's commandments

This is what it actually says....

Psa 95:7 Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of [d]trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

It's actually telling us the opposite, to not be in rebellion to God, just like the Israelites who profaned God's Sabbath in the wilderness and never entered into their rest Eze 20:21 Eze 20:13 we are told not to follow their same path of disobedience and rebellion Heb 4:6 Heb 4:11

In Christ rest, there is no rebellion to Him or His commandments, why there is only peace.

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

So I asked you to find one thus saith the Lord and you did exactly what I thought you would do, use Paul, which I believe wrote Hebrews, but it doesn't say, so you used a chapter in the bible that we don't know who wrote it, over a thus saith the Lord- only God can remove His blessing Num 23:20 and like I stated and you have proved my point, there is no thus saith the Lord we can profane His holy Sabbath commandment .

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Romans 5:8 8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

This should be a give away. One law condemns upon ONE Single Infraction.

James speaks of the ROYAL LAW (Love your neighbor as yourself), which FORGIVES, as WE are Forgiven.

Only God can deem and do Right, while distinguishing WRONG from Right.

Context for John 14:15,16,17,18

John 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

Hebrews 2:14 14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil—

1 Corinthians 15:55 “Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?”
56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.


Jesus OVERCAME, because we fail, daily until carnal death. <- Carnal Death holds 2 meanings, here.

May you be safe and protected in all of your endeavors. God bless all!

Going in circles. Yes, He died while we are still sinners, but we if in Christ we do not stay in that same state. Rom 6, Rom 8

Take care.

 

[guevaraj]

I ask one question. Which one of us is without sin by MOSES (Which includes the 10, from my scriptural perspective)?

Brother, I can be freed of sin daily just as David was without sin in the following passage because of God's forgiveness, which is available daily in the High Priestly ministry of Jesus in the heavenly temple. God counted David's having "believed" as work to complete his faith without having done any regular work at the temple. This is how the thief on the cross was saved, because his having believed was credited to him as having worked to have faith. This was the experience of David when he was forgiven for his new belief of being worthy of death for committing adultery with Bathsheba without having done the regular work at the temple for his forgiveness. What many think can only happen after Jesus happened to David before Jesus! I say again, what has been assumed as unique to the new covenant David experienced before the new covenant! Way before Jesus' death on the cross, David received an initial act of "righteousness" for having believed, free of the regular work of animal sacrifices at the temple for the forgiveness of his past sin of adultery! Something everyone thinks only happens after Jesus happened to David before Jesus! David's free "righteousness" experience of getting "righteousness" free of the regular work of animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of the past sin of adultery took place before Jesus.

David was furious. “As surely as the LORD lives,” he vowed, “any man who would do such a thing deserves to die! He must repay four lambs to the poor man for the one he stole and for having no pity.” Then Nathan said to David, “You are that man! . . . Then David confessed to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” Nathan replied, “Yes, but the LORD has forgiven you, and you won’t die for this sin. Nevertheless, because you have shown utter contempt for the word of the LORD by doing this, your child will die.” (2 Samuel 12:5-7a, 13-14 NLT)​

David gained initial forgiveness for his free of regular work "righteousness", having done no regular work at the temple when God counted his having "believed" he was worthy of death for adultery as equivalent to an act of "work" to complete his new faith of being worthy of death for breaking the Seventh Commandment of committing adultery with another man's wife. David gained forgiveness for his past sin of adultery without having done the regular work of animal sacrifices at the temple! What many think happens after Jesus, gaining free work credit of an act of "righteousness" without having done the regular work of animal sacrifices at the temple, happened to David before Jesus. David's experience of gaining an initial act of "righteousness" without having done the regular work of animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of his past sin of adultery was before Jesus!

When people work, their wages are not a gift, but something they have earned. But people are credited righteousness (work), not because of their work, but because of their faith/belief (pistis) in God who forgives sinners. David also spoke of this when he described the happiness of those who are credited righteousness (work) without working for it: “Oh, what joy for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. Yes, what joy for those whose record the LORD has cleared of sin.” Now, is this blessing only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham was credited righteousness (work) by God because of his faith/belief (pistis). But how did this happen? Was he credited righteousness (work) only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised! (Romans 4:4-10 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

 

[Grip Docility]

Have you ever read Psalms 95 which is what Heb 4 is quoting. It doesn't say what you want it to.

It doesn't say Today we rest in Christ,

This is what it actually says....

Psa 95:7 Today, if you will hear His voice:
8 “Do not harden your hearts, as in the [c]rebellion,
As in the day of [d]trial in the wilderness,
9 When your fathers tested Me;
They tried Me, though they saw My work.
10 For forty years I was [e]grieved with that generation,
And said, ‘It is a people who go astray in their hearts,
And they do not know My ways.’
11 So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’ ”

They can't enter His rest, if they stay in or go back to Moses. David was a very powerful Prophet of the old Testament. TODAY? Why does it say Today?

It's actually telling us the opposite, to not be in rebellion to God, just like the Israelites who profaned God's Sabbath in the wilderness and never entered into their rest Eze 20:21 Eze 20:13 we are told not to follow their same path of disobedience and rebellion Heb 4:6 Heb 4:11

The opposite of what?

In Christ rest, there is no rebellion to Him or His commandments, why there is only peace.

Why is this saying "Today" which is EVERY DAY?

Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.

Only ONE is Righteous. We can wear that Garment or discard it, being Naked and destitute of it's Power. Only ONE overcame, what we cannot. We have a hope, which will be received upon Death.

So I asked you to find one thus saith the Lord and you did exactly what I thought you would do, use Paul, which I believe wrote Hebrews, but it doesn't say, so you used a chapter in the bible that we don't know does not say who wrote it, over a thus saith the Lord- only God can remove His blessing and like I stated and you have proved my point, there is no thus saith the Lord we can profane His holy Sabbath.

TODAY is every day. The Jewish Shabbat is only on the 7th day.

Why did the Author suggest that Shabbat is EVERY DAY?

 

[Grip Docility]

Brother, I can be freed of sin daily just as David was without sin in the following passage because of God's forgiveness, which is available daily in the High Priestly ministry of Jesus in the heavenly temple. God counted David's having "believed" as work to complete his faith without having done any regular work at the temple. This is how the thief on the cross was saved, because his having believed was credited to him as having worked to have faith. This was the experience of David when he was forgiven for his new belief of being worthy of death for committing adultery with Bathsheba without having done the regular work at the temple for his forgiveness. What many think can only happen after Jesus happened to David before Jesus! I say again, what has been assumed as unique to the new covenant David experienced before the new covenant! Way before Jesus' death on the cross, David received an initial act of "righteousness" for having believed, free of the regular work of animal sacrifices at the temple for the forgiveness of his past sin of adultery! Something everyone thinks only happens after Jesus happened to David before Jesus! David's free "righteousness" experience of getting "righteousness" free of the regular work of animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of the past sin of adultery took place before Jesus.

David was furious. “As surely as the LORD lives,” he vowed, “any man who would do such a thing deserves to die! He must repay four lambs to the poor man for the one he stole and for having no pity.” Then Nathan said to David, “You are that man! . . . Then David confessed to Nathan, “I have sinned against the LORD.” Nathan replied, “Yes, but the LORD has forgiven you, and you won’t die for this sin. Nevertheless, because you have shown utter contempt for the word of the LORD by doing this, your child will die.” (2 Samuel 12:5-7a, 13-14 NLT)​

David gained initial forgiveness for his free of regular work "righteousness", having done no regular work at the temple when God counted his having "believed" he was worthy of death for adultery as equivalent to an act of "work" to complete his new faith of being worthy of death for breaking the Seventh Commandment of committing adultery with another man's wife. David gained forgiveness for his past sin of adultery without having done the regular work of animal sacrifices at the temple! What many think happens after Jesus, gaining free work credit of an act of "righteousness" without having done the regular work of animal sacrifices at the temple, happened to David before Jesus. David's experience of gaining an initial act of "righteousness" without having done the regular work of animal sacrifices for the forgiveness of his past sin of adultery was before Jesus!

When people work, their wages are not a gift, but something they have earned. But people are credited righteousness (work), not because of their work, but because of their faith/belief (pistis) in God who forgives sinners. David also spoke of this when he described the happiness of those who are credited righteousness (work) without working for it: “Oh, what joy for those whose disobedience is forgiven, whose sins are put out of sight. Yes, what joy for those whose record the LORD has cleared of sin.” Now, is this blessing only for the Jews, or is it also for uncircumcised Gentiles? Well, we have been saying that Abraham was credited righteousness (work) by God because of his faith/belief (pistis). But how did this happen? Was he credited righteousness (work) only after he was circumcised, or was it before he was circumcised? Clearly, God accepted Abraham before he was circumcised! (Romans 4:4-10 NLT fixed)​

United in our hope for the soon return of Jesus, Jorge

I apologize to cut to the chase, but I have a very specific question for you, Brother. Consider this the act of a fellow Christian Knight, stepping off my horse, taking off my metal Gauntlet to shake a fellow Believer's hand.

I am a sinner that fails daily. I am only saved by the Grace of Jesus Christ and am only HOLY by His righteousness, not mine.

Brother, I have confessed to you that I am a sinner that "sins". Now I ask you, do you not sin?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

They can't enter His rest, if they stay in or go back to Moses. David was a very powerful Prophet of the old Testament. TODAY? Why does it say Today?

The opposite of what?

Why is this saying "Today" which is EVERY DAY?

Only ONE is Righteous. We can wear that Garment or discard it, being Naked and destitute of it's Power. Only ONE overcame, what we cannot. We have a hope, which will be received upon Death.

TODAY is every day. The Jewish Shabbat is only on the 7th day.

Why did the Author suggest that Shabbat is EVERY DAY?

Your words. Take a bit of scripture adding our words to it, is exactly what we are warned not to do Pro 30:5-6

I will stick with what God says.
There is no Jewish Sabbath, God calls His Sabbath, My holy day, the holy day of the Lord thy God. Isa 58:13 Jesus said was made for man Mark 2:27, not Jew.

Take care,