Why Men Are Alone. The Ugly Truth Women Don't Want to Hear.

[trophy33]

An interesting video youtube suggested to me:

 

[ReesePiece23]

We're in the early stages of a new age, it's just teething problems. A healthier, well rounded, less angry landscape is approaching.

I do like the guy in the video though, I have to say; I'm sure if we met we'd enjoy a decent beer over a great chat. I'm just an optimist.

And let's be honest, people in general have become slightly more annoying and entitled since the pandemic.

 

[LoveDivine]

I actually agreed with his points, especially the point he made about likes on social media. I was surprised that I agreed, because the title was a bit sensational and off putting. Normally I really dislike this type of content. I mostly appreciated his logical and more balanced take. I thought his observations were fair.

I truly think that social media and internet forums/ discussion boards are largely to blame for the problems. It's fostered so many divisions and arguments that just don't happen typically when you make friends organically. Also, social media has contributed to the growing self-entitlement and narcissism.

 

[timewerx]

A healthier, well rounded, less angry landscape is approaching.

In UK and Europe maybe. Not in USA though.

At least gullible in the UK are idolizing the monarchy. Still not a good thing from a Christian perspective but at least, they're idolizing the royals who behave with class, dignity, and professionalism. People who don't act entitled unlike many "famous" influencers (false prophets) in the USA who acts incredibly entitled and when they talk, they sound like someone scratching their nails on the chalkboard.

At least the royals of UK did put in the hard work to be person they are now. In USA, everyone is idolizing people making obscene amounts of money with very little work, just gifted with the ability connect to many millions of shallow souls out there. Thus, the curse of entitlement.

Luke 6:26 (NLT)
What sorrow awaits you who are praised by the crowds, for their ancestors also praised false prophets.

 

[TheLastGeek]

Wow. A lot to unpack here. I could probably talk for an hour or two about this video and this thread, as there are so many components and factors involved, but I don't have the time nor energy for that.

I love Bjorn (the guy in the video). I don't agree with everything he says, but he's a good man with a good heart. Bear in mind that he's a bit of an isolationist (spends a lot of time in the wilderness), and comes from a different culture than most of us, so his point of view tends to be a little "out there". Not in a bad way, but in a way that many people will not relate to.

I don't think the points he's making are an "ugly truth". I think coming right out of the gate with that negative assertion is perhaps meant to put women on the defensive from the start of this thread/conversation. I agree that he is speaking truths, but they aren't ugly truths. They're simply truths. But putting that in the thread title makes it seem like the OP has a bone to pick, rather than wanting to open the floor for a fair and free discussion.

For every young, shallow, self-obsessed woman on social media platforms like Instagram, there are a hundred others who are simply living a quiet, normal, ordinary life that you will never see. Social media is not "reality". I would say that this video and thread are aimed at those shallow, self-obsessed women. I think the women here on CF won't fall into that category at all, so I don't think you're reaching your target audience.

Without demand, supply would dry up. Without desperate, horny, simping males, these women would have no reason to portray these shallow, self-obsessed social media personas. Both sides feed into each other, and are foolish and damaging to society as a whole.

I think we would all agree that there is a lot of corruption of both healthy masculinity and healthy femininity in our current world. But I think most of us, if not all of us, would also agree that most of the people we actually interact with face to face, offline, in real life, on a day to day basis, aren't engaging in this behavior. I certainly don't personally know any women who do this stuff.

 

[TheLastGeek]

We're in the early stages of a new age, it's just teething problems. A healthier, well rounded, less angry landscape is approaching.

I do like the guy in the video though, I have to say; I'm sure if we met we'd enjoy a decent beer over a great chat. I'm just an optimist.

And let's be honest, people in general have become slightly more annoying and entitled since the pandemic.

I see hints of this new change as well. Slowly but steadily returning to a healthier, more traditional mindset of gender roles, family, etc. It's heartening. It will not happen overnight, nor will it fix every single problem.

 

[TheLastGeek]

In UK and Europe maybe. Not in USA though.

At least gullible in the UK are idolizing the monarchy. Still not a good thing from a Christian perspective but at least, they're idolizing the royals who behave with class, dignity, and professionalism. People who don't act entitled unlike many "famous" influencers (false prophets) in the USA who acts incredibly entitled and when they talk, they sound like someone scratching their nails on the chalkboard.

At least the royals of UK did put in the hard work to be person they are now. In USA, everyone is idolizing people making obscene amounts of money with very little work, just gifted with the ability connect to many millions of shallow souls out there. Thus, the curse of entitlement.

Luke 6:26 (NLT)
What sorrow awaits you who are praised by the crowds, for their ancestors also praised false prophets.

I'm in the U.S. and I don't agree. Statements like "everyone is..." are never going to be accurate, because the population of America is not only massive, but contains countless subcultures, backgrounds, and belief systems. There are very, very few statements that will accurately apply to EVERYONE is this country. Personally, I see exactly what Reese is talking about, happening.

 

[timewerx]

An interesting video youtube suggested to me:

I believe what he's saying but I think it only applies to high per capita income countries and basically anyone above a certain income bracket.

It just proves the deceitfulness of wealth.

I live in a low per capita income country and women below a certain income bracket, still behave like women in the 90's. The only problem is when they start handling more money, they learn to start acting entitled too!

Just purely my observation of other people.

 

[trophy33]

I believe what he's saying but I think it only applies to high per capita income countries and basically anyone above a certain income bracket.

It just proves the deceitfulness of wealth.

I live in a low per capita income country and women below a certain income bracket, still behave like women in the 90's. The only problem is when they start handling more money, they learn to start acting entitled too!

Just purely my observation of other people.

He mentioned to the end of the video that when he traveled to Hungary and Romania, he saw women are different there. So he applies his video mostly to the Western Europe and the Northern America, which makes sense.

 

[timewerx]

I'm in the U.S. and I don't agree. Statements like "everyone is..." are never going to be accurate, because the population of America is not only massive, but contains countless subcultures, backgrounds, and belief systems. There are very, very few statements that will accurately apply to EVERYONE is this country. Personally, I see exactly what Reese is talking about, happening.

You're right.

For me, it's only figure of speech based on observation of social media contents. So my opinion would only be limited to active/addictive viewers of social media content.

I see many USA nationals when I visit the park and many of them don't look or behave entitled. Many even wear cheap clothes (cheaper than the average) and the women wearing very little to no make up and I'm not sure if they do that on purpose, to avoid attracting unwanted attention while living in a poor country.

 

[timewerx]

He mentioned to the end of the video that when he traveled to Hungary and Romania, he saw women are different there. So he applies his video mostly to the Western Europe and the Northern America, which makes sense.

Even the context of their Christian beliefs are different.

Christians of persecuted backgrounds pray for more of Christ's presence, how they can love their enemies more. Their preachers are far more interesting to listen to and not make me fall asleep during a sermon. Christians who experience little to no persecution/oppression/injustice pray for things like a winning deal with the house of their dreams, to give them their dream job, well-behaved, straight-A children. A prayer that someone entitled would make.

This is probably why Jesus reached out to more people that are poor and oppressed, especially women and children (severely oppressed in those times). Sure, Jesus had rich followers but they are far fewer in numbers. And because the persecuted and oppressed is less likely to twist the Words of God into the wrong context.

"God loves a contrite heart and a broken spirit". Definitely not in the mainstream culture. Everyone wants to be proud of themselves and to be seen as strong and independent. Exactly the opposite of what the Lord loves and the very thing the Lord hates - a proud and a haughty spirit.

Easy money is like a wrecking ball against one's spirituality. I've experienced it even for just a very brief period. So brief, I'm still poor. It can make you feel like you're a superhero and simply be proud of yourself.

And my concern is that everyone these days wants to make easy money hoping their content will become viral. Nobody cares about their "spiritual health" anymore.

 

[TheLastGeek]

Also, just for a chuckle... if you read the thread title too quickly, you might see "the truth ugly women don't want to hear".

 

[LoveDivine]

He mentioned to the end of the video that when he traveled to Hungary and Romania, he saw women are different there. So he applies his video mostly to the Western Europe and the Northern America, which makes sense.

My guess is that it has something to do with those countries being more Catholic. I know Poland is more conservative and less embracing of liberal ideologies. You are more likely to find some more traditional women/ men there. I think the biggest problem in the west is the loss of religion. You have a generation of young people with nothing to believe in to give them a purpose for their lives. You add to that the focus of self-gratification, self-love, entitlement, and the need for regular validation and you get a mass of miserable, aimless, unsatisfied young people who are seeking for something to make them happy/ fulfilled. Of course the genders are getting more polarized and further apart, because people are miserable and looking for someone else to make them happy. It's easy to resent the other sex when you are miserable inside. Then you have the liberal media fueling this by giving people all kinds of reasons to feel "outrage." Not making light of real inequalities or racial tensions, but it's become the trend to find ways you were supposedly marginalized.

 

[ReesePiece23]

Without demand, supply would dry up. Without desperate, horny, simping males, these women would have no reason to portray these shallow, self-obsessed social media personas. Both sides feed into each other, and are foolish and damaging to society as a whole.

Let's be real, you're spitting facts.

 

[trophy33]

My guess is that it has something to do with those countries being more Catholic. I know Poland is more conservative and less embracing of liberal ideologies. You are more likely to find some more traditional women/ men there. I think the biggest problem in the west is the loss of religion. You have a generation of young people with nothing to believe in to give them a purpose for their lives. You add to that the focus of self-gratificaion, self-love, entitlement, and the need for regular validation and you get a mass of miserable, aimless, unsatisfied young people who are seeking for something to make them happy/ fulfilled. Of course the genders are getting more polarized and further apart, because people are miserable and looking for someone else to make them happy. It's easy to resent the other sex when you are miserable inside. Then you have the liberal media fueling this by giving people all kinds of reasons to feel "outrage." Not making light of real inequalities or racial tensions, but it's become the trend to find ways you were supposedly marginalized.

I dont think so. Spain is also catholic, or Italy, Ireland, even France, USA or Canada have a lot of Catholics.

It think it has more to do with delayed membership in the EU. While things were already getting worse in the West for decades, new countries from Central and Eastern Europe were closed to these ideas and only began to absorb them after 2000', lets say. They had time to see and learn from the mistakes of the West and limit these influences. Also, the cultural homogeneity and a continuation of communist conservatism/uniformity in at least older generation played a role in slowing changes down, at least the most progressive ones.

Being less economically developed/poorer also played a role.

 

[ReesePiece23]

In UK and Europe maybe. Not in USA though.

At least gullible in the UK are idolizing the monarchy. Still not a good thing from a Christian perspective but at least, they're idolizing the royals who behave with class, dignity, and professionalism. People who don't act entitled unlike many "famous" influencers (false prophets) in the USA who acts incredibly entitled and when they talk, they sound like someone scratching their nails on the chalkboard.

At least the royals of UK did put in the hard work to be person they are now. In USA, everyone is idolizing people making obscene amounts of money with very little work, just gifted with the ability connect to many millions of shallow souls out there. Thus, the curse of entitlement.

Luke 6:26 (NLT)
What sorrow awaits you who are praised by the crowds, for their ancestors also praised false prophets.

It might be hard to believe, but the monarchy is only admired by tourists. The rest of us seldom think about them.

It's not that we don't like them, it's just not really what a 21st century Britain is all about. The Royals think like it's the year 1456. The rest of us have our finger on the pulse.

 

[bèlla]

The conclusions he made on attractiveness aren't wholly correct. No one discovers they're physically appealing when coming online or frequenting social media. They're already aware and they've probably heard comments about their appearance since childhood. That's when it starts and adults are the first to notice. They make comments about boys and girls at home and in the presence of loved ones and friends.

When they go to school they're the object of innocent crushes and childhood silliness. As they begin to mature behaviors change and children notice one another differently. By the time they're in middle school they know the cute guys and girls and that continues in high school. Everyone knows where they stand.

Social media platforms present the person to a wider audience. That isn't first time someone noticed them or commented on their attractiveness or shape. They've heard it before. Now they're hearing it more frequently. Most of the people liking their posts are men and they're responding to the difference. There was a time when most women weren't overweight or obese but that's no longer the case.

But men didn't alter their attractions. They might have made tweaks here and there but what they found appealing remained the same. If anything, social media made them less accommodating because they know she's out there and you see it on the dating apps.

We can take the pretty people off the table. They'll find one another and rarely remain alone. But their example created a trickle down effect and that's the dilemma. Everyone looked at her and saw how others responded and began to do the same. That's when glow ups became the thing and they started to scale.

No one ascends without a goal and the more you do the narrower the pool becomes. She's looking for her equal. Not the one where she was and men aren't rising as fast. That's why it's imbalanced. He's not speaking to the hot chicks. They're out of reach for most. He's addressing the ones leaving men behind who won't step down.

There's the financial angle too. Women are earning more and starting businesses at a higher a rate and women of color are the fastest of all. Which created related issues in those groups and fostered a growing movement of divestment and swirling.

The elephant in the room is struggle. Previous generations worked together and endured hardships. But the current one has a different philosophy. They've watched their parents and seen alternatives that appeal to their goals and sensibilities. The life they desire is in their face. You're not going to convince them to give it up or delay it for a later time when they can have it now.

He's lumping everyone together when they're really different groups. If you want someone willing to build you're looking for a different specimen. The majority are similar to the women @TheLastGeek described. Many are pursuing the wrong people and hoping they'll change. Get the person who fits what you're seeking. Not the one you must convince. The majority won't compromise.

~bella

 

[TheLastGeek]

For whatever it's worth, I think there's a MASSIVE difference between an educated, successful, financially independent woman who has garnered favor and popularity due to her pleasing appearance, and an AI filtered "thot" on TikTok or OnlyFans who is average-looking at best, and has no verified personality or intelligence to speak of, but she's raking in money anyway because she's willing to wear a thong and show her body parts. One could argue that both women trade on their appearance in one way or another, but I don't think they are otherwise comparable. It's hazardous and silly to lump all "pretty women" into any one pigeonhole. Just my two cents.

 

[bèlla]

I don't have to agree with anything a woman says or does because I'm not the buyer. She's not looking to me for attention she's looking at him. That's the one who has the final say. My opinion doesn't change a thing.

We don't think alike, feel alike or live alike and our values differ. What I prioritize in my relationships may be of no consequence to someone else and what they find acceptable may be a dealbreaker for me. They'll never be the same. We have different backgrounds, experiences and priorities that influences our decisions.

I live in a world that's frequently unfair, rewards good and bad, and best is subjective. The better person doesn't always win. I approached dating with a similar perspective. I didn't wish things were different or complain or worry what others were doing. I don't care how a woman moves who isn't like me. If it's negative what is there to discuss?

I focused on my advantages and what the opposite sex found most appealing within me. I didn't listen to the world because I'm not marrying them. Nor my sex if they weren't dating men of a similar caliber. And I didn't have a scarcity mindset. It's okay if you like someone other than me. I haven't lost anything at all. It's a moment. Nothing more or less.

~bella

 

[timewerx]

I think the biggest problem in the west is the loss of religion. You have a generation of young people with nothing to believe in to give them a purpose for their lives. You add to that the focus of self-gratification, self-love, entitlement, and the need for regular validation and you get a mass of miserable, aimless, unsatisfied young people who are seeking for something to make them happy/ fulfilled.

A similar pattern of problems exists within Christianity as well.

Christians in USA for example understand the Bible quite differently than Christians facing lots of persecution like Christians living in developing/poor Muslim countries, living in China for example.

Christians who face very little to no persecution are more entitled and more selfish in their prayers and how they understand the Bible. There's always a hint of the false "Prosperity Gospel" in their understanding of the Word.

Christians facing lots of persecution, even physical attacks, death, all they want is Jesus. Christians who face little to no persecution, they probably love money more than Jesus. Of course they don't know this. The deceitfulness of wealth has already blinded them.

I also observed Christians who are heavily persecuted they dream about Jesus very frequently as I do. I'm not heavily persecuted but I understand the Word of God in the same way these heavily persecuted Christians do. They experience supernatural provisions unlike anything the West had ever seen. The provisions was not in the form of money nor getting healed in a hospital after the doctors did their thing. It was rather things impossible with money nor technology and it wasn't just limited to healing, deliverance from evil spirits, prophesies

When I went to a Muslim country to work, before I went deeper in my spiritual pursuits, I felt the presence of the Holy Spirit in there far stronger than any church I've been to. I could sometimes hear the Holy Spirit shouting loudly while I'm awake. Even crazier things happened right in my room.

Some Christians in the West have started hearing of what is going on with the Christians in Muslim countries and wonder why it's only happening in the Muslim countries but not at home.

And probably because at home, people place too much value in money or their ability to make money. It takes us back to the deceitfulness of wealth, the cares of life, chokes the Word, chokes the Spirit.

The love of money is the root of all evil and underneath all these crazy trends going on around the world is rooted in the love of money.