Joe Biden Will Be The Democratic 2024 Nominee, He's Not Dropping His Bid For President

[KCfromNC]

I'm impressed how there's a such a coordinated rise of right wing "concern" over the viability of candidate that right wing voters would never vote for. I wonder why they're so interested in giving advice to the other side making it harder for their preferred candidate to win. Or is that not the actual goal of such "concern"?

 

[Fantine]

I watch Trump speak openly at least weekly, no dementia that I see, good try no cigar

So you are saying that the lies, the bragging, portrayal of himself as victim, rabble rousing, promises of vengeance, etc. are indicators of a sound mind?
If the comments of his former cabinet members, those who knew him best, are any indication, they should have employed the 25th amendment, and regret they didn't.

 

[JustOneWay]

I watch Trump speak openly at least weekly, no dementia that I see, good try no cigar

Are you a doctor trained to diagnose dementia over the television? Please show your credentials.

 

[Truth7t7]

So you are saying that the lies, the bragging, portrayal of himself as victim, rabble rousing, promises of vengeance, etc. are indicators of a sound mind?
If the comments of his former cabinet members, those who knew him best, are any indication, they should have employed the 25th amendment, and regret they didn't.

Yes I watch President Trump several times a week, many times these are live at campaign rallies, not one sign of mental or physical incapacity, he was sharp as a tack at the recent presidential debate

I look forward to seeing Donald J. Trump being sworn in on Jan 20, 2025 as President of the USA don't you?

 

[Truth7t7]

I heard murmurings here and there accusing Trump of having dementia. Will that become the rallying cry? Don't vote for Trump! He has dementia!

Smiles!

 

[Pommer]

Yes I watch President Trump several times a week, many times these are live at campaign rallies, not one sign of mental or physical incapacity, he was sharp as a tack at the recent presidential debate

This explains much, thank you.

 

[Fantine]

I hear less about the Republican candidate's "dementia" and more about psychosis. This article, for example, talks about the Republican candidate's psychosis spreading to his followers and becoming a shared psychosis:

Narcissistic symbiosis refers to the developmental wounds that make the leader-follower relationship magnetically attractive. The leader, hungry for adulation to compensate for an inner lack of self-worth, projects grandiose omnipotence—while the followers, rendered needy by societal stress or developmental injury, yearn for a parental figure. When such wounded individuals are given positions of power, they arouse similar pathology in the population that creates a “lock and key” relationship.


“Shared psychosis”—which is also called “folie à millions” [“madness for millions”] when occurring at the national level or “induced delusions”—refers to the infectiousness of severe symptoms that goes beyond ordinary group psychology. When a highly symptomatic individual is placed in an influential position, the person’s symptoms can spread through the population through emotional bonds, heightening existing pathologies and inducing delusions, paranoia and propensity for violence—even in previously healthy individuals. The treatment is removal of exposure. The 'Shared Psychosis' of Donald Trump and His Loyalists

A book is referenced as well: Lee (president of the World Mental Health Coalition) led a group of psychiatrists, psychologists and other specialists who questioned Trump’s mental fitness for office in a book that she edited called The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President.

 

[Truth7t7]

I hear less about the Republican candidate's "dementia" and more about psychosis. This article, for example, talks about the Republican candidate's psychosis spreading to his followers and becoming a shared psychosis:


A book is referenced as well: Lee (president of the World Mental Health Coalition) led a group of psychiatrists, psychologists and other specialists who questioned Trump’s mental fitness for office in a book that she edited called The Dangerous Case of Donald Trump: 27 Psychiatrists and Mental Health Experts Assess a President.

A book that generalizes Trump supporters as having shared psychosis?

Defamation against Trump supporters in my opinion, possibly why the book is no longer available

Oh no! Looks like this book is no longer available. Let’s get you back home.​

 

[Fantine]

That's funny. Amazon has it in kindle and paperback and both the complete book and summary form.

I'm not sure it's legal to post links to sales sites here, but you can check it out easily enough.

I see it as a scholarly work, 544 pages, and it is written because of the concern of the psychological and psychiatric community about the mental health of a candidate/former president and the devastating effect his demagoguery and rabble rousing have on those who believe him.

Here are the scholarly credentials of the authors.

Bandy X. Lee, M.D., M.Div., is a Forensic Psychiatrist at Yale School of Medicine and a Project Group Leader for the World Health Organization Violence Prevention Alliance. She earned her degrees at Yale, interned at Bellevue, was Chief Resident at Mass. General, and was a Research Fellow at Harvard Medical School. She was also a Fellow of the National Institute of Mental Health. She has taught at Yale Law School for more than fifteen years and has spearheaded a number of prison reform projects around the country, including of the notorious Rikers Island jail of New York City. She’s written more than one hundred peer-reviewed articles and chapters, edited more than a dozen academic books, and is author of the textbook Violence.

Robert Jay Lifton, M.D., is Lecturer in Psychiatry at Columbia University and Distinguished Professor Emeritus of John Jay College and the Graduate Center of the City University of New York. A leading psychohistorian, his renown comes from his studies of the doctors who aided Nazi war crimes and from his work with Hiroshima survivors. He was an outspoken critic of the American Psychological Association’s aiding of government-sanctioned torture, as he is a vocal opponent of nuclear weapons. His research encompasses the psychological causes and effects of war and political violence and the theory of thought reform.

Gail Sheehy, Ph.D., as author, journalist, and popular lecturer, has changed the way millions of women and men around the world look at their life stages. In her 50-year career, she has written 17 books, including her revolutionary Passages, named one of the ten most influential books of our times. As a literary journalist, she was one of the original contributors to New York Magazine and to Vanity Fair since 1984. A winner of many awards, three honorary doctorates, a Lifetime Achievement Award in 2012 by Books for a Better Life, she has regularly commented on political figures, including in her acclaimed biography of Hillary Clinton.

William J. Doherty, Ph.D., is a Professor of Family Social Science and Director of the Minnesota Couples on the Brink Project and the Citizen Professional Center at the University of Minnesota. In May 2016, he authored the Citizen Therapist Manifesto Against Trumpism, which was signed by over 3,800 therapists. After the election, he founded Citizen Therapists for Democracy. He is a Senior Fellow with Better Angels, an organization devoted to depolarizing America at the grass roots level. He helped pioneer the area of medical family therapy, and in 2017 received the American Family Therapy Association Lifetime Achievement Award.

Noam Chomsky is the author of numerous bestselling political works, including Hegemony or Survival and Failed States. A laureate professor at the University of Arizona and professor emeritus of linguistics and philosophy at MIT, he is widely credited with having revolutionized modern linguistics. He lives in Tuscon, Arizona.

 

[Truth7t7]

That's funny. Amazon has it in kindle and paperback and both the complete book and summary form.

I'm not sure it's legal to post links to sales sites here, but you can check it out easily enough.

I see it as a scholarly work, 544 pages, and it is written because of the concern of the psychological and psychiatric community about the mental health of a candidate/former president and the devastating effect his demagoguery and rabble rousing have on those who believe him.

Here are the scholarly credentials of the authors.

I have no interest in your presented book and it's false claims

A book that generalizes Trump supporters as having shared psychosis?

Defamation against Trump supporters in my opinion

 

[Fantine]

I merely showed it is available for those interested.
It is a scholarly work written by recognized experts in their fields. In my opinion, defamation is what occurs in approximately every other sentence uttered by the subject of this book.

 

[Truth7t7]

I merely showed it is available for those interested.
It is a scholarly work written by recognized experts in their fields. In my opinion, defamation is what occurs in approximately every other sentence uttered by the subject of this book.

Try quoting the poster you're responding to, it will make things a little more orderly IMHO

 

[Laodicean60]

I remember when John McCain was running for president and the left said he was too old. Now look at us lol.

 

[JustOneWay]

I remember when John McCain was running for president and the left said he was too old. Now look at us lol.

Age was never an issue with McCain. Palin was his issue.

 

[Laodicean60]

Age was never an issue with McCain. Palin was his issue.

Selective memory is always in politics.

https://www.usnews.com/news/campaign-2008/articles/2008/05/09/mccains-age-and-past-health-problems-could-be-an-issue-in-the-presidential-race

"Just days before his expected nomination at the Republican National Convention, John McCain will celebrate his birthday. But don't bet on seeing a prime-time bash during the GOP's September get-together in Minneapolis: a presidential nominee blowing out 72 candles is not an image party bosses want to see on YouTube going into the fall battle.

Especially when that nominee visibly wears the toll of a long and, at times, extraordinarily difficult life. One that has included surviving a bone-crushing ejection from his Navy jet, torture during 5½ years as a prisoner of war in Vietnam, major surgery to remove a dangerous skin cancer from his face, and the stiff and sometimes pained bearing shared by many of his contemporaries. If elected, McCain would steal Ronald Reagan's record as the oldest first-term president in the nation's history.

Top McCain aide Charlie Black says that the candidate's records will prove that he is in "good health." But their release is bound to reignite the debate over how much a candidate's age and health history should or could factor into the November contest, including how they may influence McCain's choice for vice president. And it will very likely renew discussion about the public's desire to know versus its right to know the full scope of nominees' medical conditions. The genie of disclosure will never be put back in the bottle, says Brian Balogh of the University of Virginia's Miller Center. When Thomas Eagleton's history of depression and electroshock therapy forced him to step down as Democrat George McGovern's running mate in 1972, "everyone became pretty self-conscious about candidates' past medical history," Balogh says. And post-Watergate, disclosure became de rigueur. "This was what the press demanded and what the American public expected and wanted to know about their presidential candidates," he says.

But the history of presidential health is marked by bigger lies, subterfuge, and what historians characterize as flat-out medical malpractice. The two most notorious, says Graff, involve the conspiracy between Woodrow Wilson's wife and his doctor to keep the president's strokes and in-office incapacitation a secret from Congress and the nation and a similar connivance to keep Franklin Roosevelt's life-threatening high blood pressure under wraps while he ran for his fourth term during what would be the final months of World War II. In both cases, Graff says, "the public was ill-served."

Wilson, elected president in 1912, had been suffering strokes since 1898—before he was governor of New Jersey, says Graff, 86. As a young code breaker during WWII, Graff says he witnessed firsthand the international concern over Roosevelt's failing health and attempts by his doctor, Ross McIntire, and aides to keep it hidden. (In an interview with U.S. News six years after Roosevelt's death in 1945, the now discredited McIntire insisted the president's health had been fine, that only a persistent cough and flu had depleted his reserves.) "We read the codes of many nations who thought Roosevelt was too ill for another term, and they were concerned he wouldn't live out his term," Graff says. The president died three months after his inauguration; the war ended four months later.

Voters may need to be reminded, says Brands, that presidential candidates are human, a package of both good and bad—health histories included. McCain can take inspiration from Jackson, he says, who though beset by illness and considered old for his time, "was clearheaded and forceful until the last day of his presidency." But there's little doubt that what McCain's new medical records reveal and whether youth will be a quality he seeks in a vice president will both prove crucial to the case he'll make to the demanding American people about his own health and ability to serve. A case that becomes even more critical with 46-year-old Barack Obama as the Democratic front-runner."

 

[Mayzoo]

Well.. four more years of Trump, here we go.

We survived the first four, though this time it will be even more humiliating as an American as we will have elected an amoral, convicted Felon as president. Since he cannot legally run again, he will have to be more creative in his grab for dictatorship, and we can hope/pray that no violence occurs due to it this time. But in the long run, he will eventually be ousted and hopefully, the country can begin to heal afterwards.

That is the best we can hope for, the country begins to heal in time from the divisive, toxic ways it currently embraces.

 

[Nithavela]

We survived the first four, though this time it will be even more humiliating as an American as we will have elected an amoral, convicted Felon as president. Since he cannot legally run again, he will have to be more creative in his grab for dictatorship, and we can hope/pray that no violence occurs due to it this time. But in the long run, he will eventually be ousted and hopefully, the country can begin to heal afterwards.

That is the best we can hope for, the country begins to heal in time from the divisive, toxic ways it currently embraces.

Once you have finished restoring your country, perhaps spare some time reconquering Europe from Putin after Trump has the USA leave NATO.

 

[Mayzoo]

Once you have finished restoring your country, perhaps spare some time reconquering Europe from Putin after Trump has the USA leave NATO.

That is another subject altogether. Trump will stop all aid to Ukraine very early in his administration thus allowing Putin to overrun it. As you stated, Putin will not stop there. I do not believe Trump will help almost any other country as they fall as he states, America First which means other countries are on their own. His idolization of Putin will also hinder his willingness to help other countries as they fall until it is overtly obvious that Putin will not stop. He may not join the war then as it would imply he made a poor initial choice. Plus, war against one;s idol is not likely. Most likely, the president that follows Trump will likely be entering the war.

 

[dogs4thewin]

That is another subject altogether. Trump will stop all aid to Ukraine very early in his administration thus allowing Putin to overrun it. As you stated, Putin will not stop there. I do not believe Trump will help almost any other country as they fall as he states, America First which means other countries are on their own. His idolization of Putin will also hinder his willingness to help other countries as they fall until it is overtly obvious that Putin will not stop. He may not join the war then as it would imply he made a poor initial choice. Plus, war against one;s idol is not likely. Most likely, the president that follows Trump will likely be entering the war.

so we should support other countries a before supporting our own people and b even when they do not support us when it is one-sided?

 

[Nithavela]

so we should support other countries a before supporting our own people and b even when they do not support us when it is one-sided?

You are absolutely right. The USA already got its article 5 war support out of NATO during the Afghanistan war, so better withdraw before they have to step to the plate.

It's just good business.