Did Jesus die on the day they killed the paschal lamb?

[ralliann]

The main difference between the civil and liturgical calendars is when the start. One on Nisan 1 and the other in the fall. BTW, that quote I wrote was straight from scripture. What is your point. Yes there were daily sacrifices, so?

The festival sacrifices were in relation to the daily sacrifices in the morning. The passover was to have none left in the morning.
Ex 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.


2. Each on it's day, beside the daily sacrifices in the "morning". His feasts were convocations for offerings.
Le 23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

Numb 28:23 Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering.
24 After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

Could we ask.......
The feast days were made for him, not him for the feast days yes?

 

[ralliann]

It is forbidden to eat chametz on the day of the fourteenth [of Nisan] from noon onward—i.e., from the beginning of the seventh hour of the day. Any person who eats chametz during this time is punished by lashes according to Torah law, as [Deuteronomy 16:3] states: "Do not eat any leaven with it "; i.e., together with the Paschal sacrifice. Based on the oral tradition, we received the interpretation of that statement as: Do not eat any chametz during the time which is fit to slaughter the Paschal sacrifice, that being the afternoon—i.e., after midday.

Read how it was done.... (I already gave you Josephus account)
From Chabad:
"With regard to sacrifices, the verse states, “And the flesh of his thanksgiving peace offering shall be eaten on the day it is offered up; he shall not leave any of it over until morning.”4 In other words, if you were given one day to eat an offering, the day consisted of the daytime followed by its night (unlike all other purposes, for which Jewish calendar days consist of the night followed by the day). Thus, as far as sacrifices are concerned, the night after a sacrifice is brought is an extension of the day it is brought."

This is about how it was done then when the temple stood..... It is also about Mosaic LAW, which concerns the priesthood Liturgical ministration and a temple......Not priestless, templess, modern rabbinic judaism..

 

[AFrazier]

You are confused because you refuse to credit what John 19:14 says. The Synoptics are at best confusing on the sequence of events and dates. The Gospel of John steps in for clarity. With John there is no confusion. All is aligned with Jewish practice of the day.

The western Churches have adopted the Synoptics sequence and have a tangled mess, while the Orthodox have adopted the Johannine version and are at ease.

The Last Supper was NOT the Passover. It was NOT a seder. Regular bread was on the table. Jesus had to be buried before the Passover meal. That was the rush to do so. Jesus died on Nissan 14, the same date as the Paschal Lamb was sacrificed. Accept John 19:14 and be at ease!

I'm afraid the gospels don't agree with you. Feel free to review post #53. I'm not confused about anything.

 

[AFrazier]

LOL. Yes they are plain as day and that makes YOU dead wrong because you do not understand them. Again, answer the question I posed regarding the 15th and you will see how wrong you are. Yes Chamatz is prohibited on part of the 14th but that does not make it the 1st of unleavened...which is 7 days (15-21st), not 8 days.

I posted the scripture concerning the first day of unleavened bread. I also posted the rabbinic literature. See Post #53. You're wrong. And I'm not sure which question concerning the 15th you're droning on about. Are you asking about fulfilled prophecy? I don't do historical chronology by philosophical theology. He died when he died. I go by the historical facts.

“In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.”

All leaven had to be disposed of on the 14th before the sacrifice of the Passover. It was prohibited beginning at the sixth hour of the day—about noon—on the 14th of Nisan, when it was all burned. In accordance with the scriptures, the more pious, according to the Talmud, began searching for leaven as early as sundown on the 13th of Nisan (considered the twilight of the 14th), which was the first of three general searches made in preparation for the holiday. The second search occurred early on the morning of the 14th day, and the final search was at the time when all leaven had to be removed from the home. At the sixth hour of the day (about noon) on the 14th, just before the daily sacrifices (which began shortly thereafter), they burned all leaven. As the scripture states, “Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.” It was not to be eaten, or even possessed, from that point forward, until the evening of the 21st.

Relative to these facts, the 14th is, without question, the first day of unleavened bread, as Exodus 12:15 implies, saying that although “Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread,” it is, “even the first day” that “ye shall put away leaven out of your houses [...].” Rabbinical and historical literature both agree with this point of view, based on the same scriptural criteria.

“The School of R. Ishmael taught: ‘We find that the fourteenth is called the first, as it is said, ‘on the first, on the fourteenth day of the month,’’” (Exod. 12:18) and further on, “Raba said, ‘[It is deduced] from here: ‘Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread’: [that means,] thou shalt not kill the Passover sacrifice while leavened bread is still in existence.’”

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

The festival sacrifices were in relation to the daily sacrifices in the morning. The passover was to have none left in the morning.
Ex 12:8 And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.
9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof.
10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain until the morning; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.


2. Each on it's day, beside the daily sacrifices in the "morning". His feasts were convocations for offerings.
Le 23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

Numb 28:23 Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering.
24 After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

Could we ask.......
The feast days were made for him, not him for the feast days yes?

What is your point?

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I posted the scripture concerning the first day of unleavened bread. I also posted the rabbinic literature. See Post #53. You're wrong. And I'm not sure which question concerning the 15th you're droning on about. Are you asking about fulfilled prophecy? I don't do historical chronology by philosophical theology. He died when he died. I go by the historical facts.

“In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.”

All leaven had to be disposed of on the 14th before the sacrifice of the Passover. It was prohibited beginning at the sixth hour of the day—about noon—on the 14th of Nisan, when it was all burned. In accordance with the scriptures, the more pious, according to the Talmud, began searching for leaven as early as sundown on the 13th of Nisan (considered the twilight of the 14th), which was the first of three general searches made in preparation for the holiday. The second search occurred early on the morning of the 14th day, and the final search was at the time when all leaven had to be removed from the home. At the sixth hour of the day (about noon) on the 14th, just before the daily sacrifices (which began shortly thereafter), they burned all leaven. As the scripture states, “Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven.” It was not to be eaten, or even possessed, from that point forward, until the evening of the 21st.

Relative to these facts, the 14th is, without question, the first day of unleavened bread, as Exodus 12:15 implies, saying that although “Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread,” it is, “even the first day” that “ye shall put away leaven out of your houses [...].” Rabbinical and historical literature both agree with this point of view, based on the same scriptural criteria.

“The School of R. Ishmael taught: ‘We find that the fourteenth is called the first, as it is said, ‘on the first, on the fourteenth day of the month,’’” (Exod. 12:18) and further on, “Raba said, ‘[It is deduced] from here: ‘Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leavened bread’: [that means,] thou shalt not kill the Passover sacrifice while leavened bread is still in existence.’”

YOU dead wrong because you do not understand them. Again, answer the question I posed regarding the 15th and you will see how wrong you are. Yes Chamatz is prohibited on part of the 14th but that does not make it the 1st of unleavened...which is 7 days (15-21st), not 8 days.

"On the fourteenth day of the first month is the Passover of the Lord. And on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast; unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days."

Can't you read???????

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Anyone who wants to read our previous exchanges can see them here. No reason to repeat myself...

WHEN WAS CHRIST CRUCIFIED?

I'm curious, does anyone have an opinion on what calendar year Christ was crucified and resurrected?

www.christianforums.com

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Here are some of my previous points for those interested...

Yeshua was not the Hagigah...the peace offering was divided three ways: some to God, some to the priest, and the remainder came back to the offerer. Yeshua was the lamb...The Lamb of God...the Hagigah was offered with the Paschal lamb, it was not the paschal lamb itself.

So WHAT are the rules for the Hagigah? What are the rules for the Pesakh sacrifice? What kind of animals could be sacrificed? You do know that Hagigah are sacrificed on Passover, Shavout and Sukkot. Some symbolic parallel...(Luke 24:27)? You DO know that no bone of the Pesakh sacrifice could be broken? Not so with the Hagigah! The Pesakh had to be roasted whole...not so with the Hagigah! Was there a Hagigah on the 14th? I could go on by why bother, you would just discount any Pesakh fulfillment by Yeshua. If no parallels or fulfillments matter, then why didn't He die in July?

Paul must be wrong also? Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy must be wrong too? John the Baptist was wrong too? We KNOW that the lambs were NOT killed on the 15th, the 1st of unleavened...it is a fact...so either you are wrong or those passages mean something else.

You do know that there was a meal...a "last supper" done the evening before the fast of the firstborn (Ta'anit B'khorim) during the daylight hours, sunrise to sunset, of the 14th? This meal was called "seudah maphsehket", literally the "last supper" before the fast...the fast ends with the Pesakh meal, which Yeshua could NOT have eaten because He was in the tomb...

 

[ralliann]

Here are some of my previous points for those interested...

Yeshua was not the Hagigah...the peace offering was divided three ways: some to God, some to the priest, and the remainder came back to the offerer. Yeshua was the lamb...The Lamb of God...the Hagigah was offered with the Paschal lamb, it was not the paschal lamb itself.

So WHAT are the rules for the Hagigah? What are the rules for the Pesakh sacrifice? What kind of animals could be sacrificed? You do know that Hagigah are sacrificed on Passover, Shavout and Sukkot. Some symbolic parallel...(Luke 24:27)? You DO know that no bone of the Pesakh sacrifice could be broken? Not so with the Hagigah! The Pesakh had to be roasted whole...not so with the Hagigah! Was there a Hagigah on the 14th? I could go on by why bother, you would just discount any Pesakh fulfillment by Yeshua. If no parallels or fulfillments matter, then why didn't He die in July?

Paul must be wrong also? Exodus, Leviticus and Deuteronomy must be wrong too? John the Baptist was wrong too? We KNOW that the lambs were NOT killed on the 15th, the 1st of unleavened...it is a fact...so either you are wrong or those passages mean something else.

You do know that there was a meal...a "last supper" done the evening before the fast of the firstborn (Ta'anit B'khorim) during the daylight hours, sunrise to sunset, of the 14th? This meal was called "seudah maphsehket", literally the "last supper" before the fast...the fast ends with the Pesakh meal, which Yeshua could NOT have eaten because He was in the tomb...

All the sacrifices were foreshadowing of him...
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? {spot: or, fault }
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

He is the Atonement sacrifice........

Heb 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

All the sacrifices were foreshadowing of him...
Heb 9:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;
12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:
14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? {spot: or, fault }
15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

He is the Atonement sacrifice........

Heb 9:7 But into the second went the high priest alone once every year, not without blood, which he offered for himself, and for the errors of the people:
Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

OK...what's your point? John called Him "the lamb of God" and Paul specifically said "For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed". John wrote "For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” The lambs were killed on the 14th.

 

[AFrazier]

YOU dead wrong because you do not understand them. Again, answer the question I posed regarding the 15th and you will see how wrong you are. Yes Chamatz is prohibited on part of the 14th but that does not make it the 1st of unleavened...which is 7 days (15-21st), not 8 days.

"On the fourteenth day of the first month is the Passover of the Lord. And on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast; unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days."

Can't you read???????

You’re doing it again. Saying that I’m wrong when the scriptures support me, not you. And you’re going on again about your 15th question, which I asked you to clarify and you have not.

Scripture calls the 14th the first. So does rabbinic literature. Only your interpretation disagrees.

It’s also convenient how you choose to talk in circles around scriptures that blatantly say that it was the day when the lambs were killed. Even if there were a genuine argument over the interpretation of “the first day” of unleavened bread, the context of it being the day when they killed the pascha readily clarifies it.

How about you answer to that instead of talking in circles?

Mark and Luke both say that the afternoon leading up to the last supper was the day when the pascha was killed. I challenge you to defy it, so that everyone can see that it is you who is misinterpreting, you who is ignoring scripture, and you who is dead wrong.

 

[ralliann]

OK...what's your point? John called Him "the lamb of God" and Paul specifically said "For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed". John wrote "For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.” The lambs were killed on the 14th.

Yep, he was also our atonement in the seventh month, the first Fruit. The days for these not being the 14th, 15th etc. do not nullify that.
The significance of The passover, unleavened bread, and pentecost (the day of firstfruits) is the Abrahamic covenant.

 

[AFrazier]

Yep, he was also our atonement in the seventh month, the first Fruit. The days for these not being the 14th, 15th etc. do not nullify that.
The significance of The passover, unleavened bread, and pentecost (the day of firstfruits) is the Abrahamic covenant.

I told him the same thing once upon a time. The Passion even demonstrates the scapegoat. Two goats, Jesus, the son of God, and Bar-Abbas (son of the father), chosen between, with one led out of town with the sins of the people. Jewish tradition even states that the scapegoat would have a cord of crimson wool tied around its head, like the cord of blood from the crown of thorns.

I also pointed out to him that insisting that the date to be adhered to for the spiritual aspect was moot. He didn’t fulfill any of the other Passover protocols. He wasn’t killed in the temple, but outside of town. He wasn’t of the first year, but in his thirties. He didn’t have his throat cut, his blood drained into a bowl, and then sprinkled on the altar, but was crucified. He was neither roasted nor eaten, and what remained of him was not burned with fire, but resurrected. If denial of the specific protocol of the death not occurring on the 14th is enough to make him not the Passover, then the same technically applies to all the protocols.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

I told him the same thing once upon a time. The Passion even demonstrates the scapegoat. Two goats, Jesus, the son of God, and Bar-Abbas (son of the father), chosen between, with one led out of town with the sins of the people. Jewish tradition even states that the scapegoat would have a cord of crimson wool tied around its head, like the cord of blood from the crown of thorns.

I also pointed out to him that insisting that the date to be adhered to for the spiritual aspect was moot. He didn’t fulfill any of the other Passover protocols. He wasn’t killed in the temple, but outside of town. He wasn’t of the first year, but in his thirties. He didn’t have his throat cut, his blood drained into a bowl, and then sprinkled on the altar, but was crucified. He was neither roasted nor eaten, and what remained of him was not burned with fire, but resurrected. If denial of the specific protocol of the death not occurring on the 14th is enough to make him not the Passover, then the same technically applies to all the protocols.

You didn't tell me that one time, lol I already knew that. Again, if nothing matters in you world, no prphecies needed to be fulfilled, then I guess there were no need for the prophets to write all of them...nice try. Dates matter in scripture, fulfillments matter (of which you just proved my point). Passover, death...resurrection, firstfruits...shavuot, pentecost...

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yep, he was also our atonement in the seventh month, the first Fruit. The days for these not being the 14th, 15th etc. do not nullify that.
The significance of The passover, unleavened bread, and pentecost (the day of firstfruits) is the Abrahamic covenant.

Yes and the dates MATTERED. Fulfillments MATTERED. The prophecies MATTERED.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You’re doing it again. Saying that I’m wrong when the scriptures support me, not you. And you’re going on again about your 15th question, which I asked you to clarify and you have not.

Scripture calls the 14th the first. So does rabbinic literature. Only your interpretation disagrees.

It’s also convenient how you choose to talk in circles around scriptures that blatantly say that it was the day when the lambs were killed. Even if there were a genuine argument over the interpretation of “the first day” of unleavened bread, the context of it being the day when they killed the pascha readily clarifies it.

How about you answer to that instead of talking in circles?

Mark and Luke both say that the afternoon leading up to the last supper was the day when the pascha was killed. I challenge you to defy it, so that everyone can see that it is you who is misinterpreting, you who is ignoring scripture, and you who is dead wrong.

LOL, I just posted the scripture! You can't read! Here I will post it once again: "On the fourteenth day of the first month is the Passover of the Lord. And on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast; unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days." The lambs were killed on the 14th. You conveniently always leave out John...hmmm, why is that? I know why, because it destroys your theory. You are dead wrong.

 

[AFrazier]

LOL, I just posted the scripture! You can't read! Here I will post it once again: "On the fourteenth day of the first month is the Passover of the Lord. And on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast; unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days." The lambs were killed on the 14th. You conveniently always leave out John...hmmm, why is that? I know why, because it destroys your theory. You are dead wrong.

Which one of us doesn't know how to read? Which one of us is dead wrong?

Mark 14:12 — And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

Luke 22:7-8 — Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.

According to you . . .

[ . . . ] The lambs were killed on the 14th. [ . . . ]

Jesus was arrested that night following the last supper, aaaaaaaaand . . .

Matthew 27:1-2 — When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death: And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.

Mark 15:1 — [ . . . ] straightway in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council, and bound Jesus, and carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate.

Luke 22:66, 23:1 — [ . . . ] as soon as it was day [ . . . ] the whole multitude of them arose, and led him unto Pilate.

SO . . .

If the last supper occurred on the day when the lambs were killed, which is conspicuously attested to in Mark 14:12 and Luke 22:7-8, and you agree that the lambs were killed on the 14th, per your own statement . . . and Jesus was taken to Pilate the next morning, then he died on the 15th.

If you think that John is in disagreement with this, then you are saying that the Bible is contradictory. If you think that your interpretation of "prophecy" trumps the direct statements of the gospels, then you are presumptuous. And if you think I'm wrong when the scriptures, which require no interpretation whatsoever, say plainly what I've been saying, then you are blind.

If you choose to maintain your personal interpretation of the events, that's your prerogative. I can be at peace with, "I see where you're coming from, but I have difficulty dismissing what I believe John is saying, so I'm going to disagree with you." I will never be at peace with you arrogantly telling me I'm wrong when the evidence is as plain as the nose on your face. You can disagree with my conclusions, but stop telling me I'm wrong when the scriptures say otherwise.

Furthermore, reputable scholars, like Alfred Edersheim, have the same conclusions, and for the same reasons. Declaring me wrong is presumptuous in the extreme, because you're not just insulting me and my intelligence, but also the intelligence of several eminent scholars who know far more than you do.

I would also like to say that you're going to start looking foolish in the eyes of other readers if you continue to arrogantly declare me wrong. You may choose not to see the evidence that's plain as day, but others will. It doesn't take a genius to see it.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Which one of us doesn't know how to read? Which one of us is dead wrong?

Mark 14:12 — And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?

Luke 22:7-8 — Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat.

According to you . . .



Jesus was arrested that night following the last supper, aaaaaaaaand . . .

Matthew 27:1-2 — When the morning was come, all the chief priests and elders of the people took counsel against Jesus to put him to death: And when they had bound him, they led him away, and delivered him to Pontius Pilate the governor.

Mark 15:1 — [ . . . ] straightway in the morning the chief priests held a consultation with the elders and scribes and the whole council, and bound Jesus, and carried him away, and delivered him to Pilate.

Luke 22:66, 23:1 — [ . . . ] as soon as it was day [ . . . ] the whole multitude of them arose, and led him unto Pilate.

SO . . .

If the last supper occurred on the day when the lambs were killed, which is conspicuously attested to in Mark 14:12 and Luke 22:7-8, and you agree that the lambs were killed on the 14th, per your own statement . . . and Jesus was taken to Pilate the next morning, then he died on the 15th.

If you think that John is in disagreement with this, then you are saying that the Bible is contradictory. If you think that your interpretation of "prophecy" trumps the direct statements of the gospels, then you are presumptuous. And if you think I'm wrong when the scriptures, which require no interpretation whatsoever, say plainly what I've been saying, then you are blind.

No, that is not what I said. I have always said He died ON the 14th as the lambs were killed. Your BIG problem is YOU say he died on the 15th. YOU have a big problem if all that happened on the 15th...but you do not know why. The last supper was NOT the passover meal after the lambs were killed on the 14th. I have explained this to you before but since you know nothing about 2nd temple Judaism you do not understand it. You also do not understand what the last supper actually was. Here I will post it once again: "On the fourteenth day of the first month is the Passover of the Lord. And on the fifteenth day of this month is the feast; unleavened bread shall be eaten for seven days." The lambs were killed on the 14th. Yeshua was killed on the 14th. All of the Gospels state that He was crucified and buried on “the day of Preparation” which is Friday (Matt. 27:62; Mark 15:42; Luke 23:54; John 19:14, 31, 42) so all four agree.

"But in the month of Xanthicus; which is by us called Nisan, and is the beginning of our year; on the fourteenth day of the Lunar month, when the sun is in Aries; for on this month it was that we were delivered from bondage under the Egyptians: the law ordained that we should every year slay that sacrifice which I before told you we slew when we came out of Egypt: and which was called the Passover. And so we do celebrate this Passover in companies, and leave nothing of what we sacrifice till the day following. The feast of unleavened bread succeeds that of the Passover, and falls on the fifteenth day of the month, and continues seven days: wherein they feed on unleavened bread."
Josephus Antiquities of the Jews in Book III, Chapter 10, verse 5

"But on the second day of unleavened bread, which is the sixteenth day of the month, they first partake of the fruits of the earth, for before that day they do not touch them."
Josephus Antiquities of the Jews in Book III, Chapter 10, verse 5


"As late as the Second Temple period, Passover and Chag HaMatzot were viewed as two separate holidays."
Dr. Malka Simkovich PhD

 

[ralliann]

Yes and the dates MATTERED.

Dates mattered for what? His one time offering was effective for ALL sacrifices. Dates do not nullify that.

Fulfillments MATTERED. The prophecies MATTERED.

Fulfillments of what? The covenant promises sworn by God to Abraham are not tossed aside, but a central focus, as they always have been.
Ge 50:24 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I die: and God will surely visit you, and bring you out of this land unto the land which he sware to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.
Ex 2:24 And God heard their groaning, and God remembered his covenant with Abraham, with Isaac, and with Jacob.

Ex 6:8 And I will bring you in unto the land, concerning the which I did swear to give it to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob; and I will give it you for an heritage: I am the LORD. {swear: Heb. lift up my hand }
Ex 32:13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.

Ex 33:1 And the LORD said unto Moses, Depart, and go up hence, thou and the people which thou hast brought up out of the land of Egypt, unto the land which I sware unto Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, saying, Unto thy seed will I give it:
Le 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

De 9:5 Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
De 9:27 Remember thy servants, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; look not unto the stubbornness of this people, nor to their wickedness, nor to their sin:
De 29:13 That he may establish thee to day for a people unto himself, and that he may be unto thee a God, as he hath said unto thee, and as he hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob.

The feasts are all memorials as it relates to his faithfulness to TO FULFILL oath to Abraham.....
Which the Lords supper a memorial to all the seed of Abraham. The new covenant made in his blood...... Our Passover

Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Ro 4:16 Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,
Ro 4:18 Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.
Ro 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Ro 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Dates mattered for what? His one time offering was effective for ALL sacrifices. Dates do not nullify that.

Well why did it not happen in July then if dates do not matter??? Appointed times (Moedim) MATTER. Romans 5:6..."at the appointed time Christ died for the ungodly." Even Yeshua said many time that “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified" or "My hour has not yet come". Ever read Exodus, Leviticus or Deuteronomy? SPECIFIC days. The prophets provided SPECIFIC prophecies. None of the scriptures you posted have any bearing on the subject at hand.