The Chosen

[Zaha Torte]

Yikes on trikes is right. What happens if this stuff gets into the show in the future?

I believe all things are going to fail eventually.

Some people are even rewriting the Bible to accommodate sexual sin.

 

[Chris V++]

Then you would mean "Mormon interpretation" - not propaganda. And they only believe in the one Bible.

And we prefer to be called Latter-day Saints or LDS for short.

The LDS Church isn't into demons or Jewish myths that I know of.

Both the makers of the show and the LDS Church have claimed that there is no affiliation.

Have you ever taken the opportunity to read the Book of Mormon?

Year s ago I read some of it. I grew up in town next to Kirtland Oh which is a LDS special place with a historic church. Also been out to Salt Lake City and checked out the temple from the outside only. I really like LDS people. They are nice and peaceful. Even the homeless in Salt lake were nice.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Year s ago I read some of it. I grew up in town next to Kirtland Oh which is a LDS special place with a historic church. Also been out to Salt Lake City and checked out the temple from the outside only. I really like LDS people. They are nice and peaceful. Even the homeless in Salt lake were nice.

Cool. You've seen more than most. They recently purchased the Kirtland Temple back - you can get a tour.

 

[Chris V++]

Cool. You've seen more than most. They recently purchased the Kirtland Temple back - you can get a tour.

I was raised Byzantine Catholic which is like Eastern Orthodox in aesthetics. Our youth group mom took us on a tour way back when. I remember The 33 steps on the stairs.

 

[Chris V++]

Did u ever know the main modern Mormon church was burnt down. I think the arson was one of their own. It was the bottom of the valley I. Kirkland. They did rebuild.

 

[Chris V++]

Also a few notable infamous killers had Kirtland connections. It has an eerie history like Salem or something

 

[AlexB23]

I believe all things are going to fail eventually.

Some people are even rewriting the Bible to accommodate sexual sin.

Eww, that is gross. Yep, we are in the end times.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I was raised Byzantine Catholic which is like Eastern Orthodox in aesthetics. Our youth group mom took us on a tour way back when. I remember The 33 steps on the stairs.

Oh! - that must have been when the Community of Christ owned it. Was it weird?

Did u ever know the main modern Mormon church was burnt down. I think the arson was one of their own. It was the bottom of the valley I. Kirkland. They did rebuild.

Yes - I do remember reading about that. I think a Bishop did it if I'm not mistaken.

Also a few notable infamous killers had Kirtland connections. It has an eerie history like Salem or something

Among the LDS community?

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

I find this logic to be dangerous because if you had lived during The Lord's mortal life and had an opportunity to meet Him - you would have rejected Him if you decided to remain consistent in this belief.

I have no idea what you talking about. Just because I reject to watch a show about Jesus, does not mean I reject Jesus. Otherwise I would not read the Bible, which is all about Jesus. The Bible is the only Word of God and therefore it is all I need.

If you want to watch the show, go ahead. But it is true there are things there that never happened in the Bible.

 

[Zaha Torte]

I have no idea what you talking about. Just because I reject to watch a show about Jesus, does not mean I reject Jesus. Otherwise I would not read the Bible, which is all about Jesus. The Bible is the only Word of God and therefore it is all I need.

If you want to watch the show, go ahead. But it is true there are things there that never happened in the Bible.

I'm sorry, you misunderstood me.

If you had lived at the time of the Lord - you would have rejected Him - since you would have been relying only on past revelation (the Old Testament) and would have rejected the New.

You would have said to yourself, "I heard that man and his disciples and what he said is not in the Torah. I can't mix up what he is saying with what the Writings. That is dangerous. The Prophets alone are sufficient.

I don't care about the TV show.

 

[Chris V++]

Oh! - that must have been when the Community of Christ owned it. Was it weird?

Yes - I do remember reading about that. I think a Bishop did it if I'm not mistaken.

Among the LDS community?

Yeah sort of, but on the fringe. Lundgren was the most famous that comes to mind. Jeffrey Lundgren - Wikipedia. I took that tour probably 40 years ago and I believe it was LDS owned at the time and run like a museum. Maybe they lost control at some point? Kirtland also known for some race of humanoids called Melonheads. I think they made a horror movie about them. You could probably google Kirkland Mellonheads if curious. Kirtland ‘Melonheads’ Make the Movies

 

[Chris V++]

Yeah sort of, but on the fringe. Lundgren was the most famous that comes to mind. Jeffrey Lundgren - Wikipedia. I took that tour probably 40 years ago and I believe it was LDS owned at the time and run like a museum. Maybe they lost control at some point? Kirtland also known for some race of humanoids called Melonheads. I think they made a horror movie about them. You could probably google Kirkland Mellonheads if curious. Kirtland ‘Melonheads’ Make the Movies

Here’s info about Lundgren. Apparently he gave that tour I was on where they pointed out those 33 steps. I doubt he was our specific guide but who knows… ‘Lundgren was living in a church-owned home in Kirtland, Ohio, he volunteered as a tour guide at the RLDS Church's historic Kirtland Temple next door. In this capacity, he began to teach the concept of "dividing the word", known as "chiastic interpretation" or "chiasmus", to interpret scriptures. Lundgren falsely…’

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

If you had lived at the time of the Lord - you would have rejected Him - since you would have been relying only on past revelation (the Old Testament) and would have rejected the New.

Where did I say something that I reject the New Testament?

I read the whole Bible, both OT and NT, as the entire Bible is the Word of God.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Where did I say something that I reject the New Testament?

I read the whole Bible, both OT and NT, as the entire Bible is the Word of God.

I understand your position fully - but you keep not understanding mine.

Had you lived during the time of Christ - there would not have been a New Testament yet. Correct?

If you maintained the same position then as you do now - that you don't accept any new revelations or interpretations outside what you have already received - then if you lived at the time of Christ you would have rejected Him and all the New Testament writings - since they would be new revelations and interpretations to you.

Same goes for if you had lived during the days of Noah - you would have said, "I have the stories of Adam, Seth, Enoch and Methuselah - I don't believe what this new guy is saying about an upcoming Flood."

I am arguing that the claim of, "I have enough revelation from God - I don't need anymore" - is dangerous - because it might cause you to reject what God is doing for you today.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

If you maintained the same position then as you do now - that you don't accept any new revelations or interpretations outside what you have already received - then if you lived at the time of Christ you would have rejected Him and all the New Testament writings - since they would be new revelations and interpretations to you

The Bible canon closed with the book of Revelation 1,900 years ago, therefore there is no new revelations.

A closed canon also implies that there are no apostles or prophets today who are receiving new messages from God. The church is gifted with teachers and preachers of the Word today, but anyone who claims a new revelation from God, proffers his or her message as divinely inspired, or assumes authority on par with the Bible is leading people astray.

If you maintained the same position then as you do now - that you don't accept any new revelations or interpretations outside what you have already received - then if you lived at the time of Christ you would have rejected Him and all the New Testament writings - since they would be new revelations and interpretations to you.

The coming of the Messaih was prophecised from the beginning. The whole OT is about His coming.

Jeremiah 31 also tells us that there will be a new covenant. Verse 31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

Your argument is invalid, and you make assumptions that are simply not true.

The Messiah was promised, the Messiah came, the Messiah was sacrificed, the Messiah risen, the Mesaiah revealed to us the future.

God has placed in the closed canon of Scripture everything we need to know about Himself, and about who we are, how we ought to live.

Proverbs 30:5-6 “Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, or he will rebuke you and prove you a liar.”