- Dec 23, 2016
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Please be patient as I lay the situation out, because this, what is my life, is a bit of a scrambled mess and I need some advice from a priest.
I am not catholic myself, but rather a non denominational Christian. And I am not here to argue or discuss the whole Catholic vs. Protestant thing. My brother has been working on that for 2 decades.
This is about making and keeping peace between followers of Jesus Christ and my personal relationships.
I married, Justice of The Peace ceremony in my early 20s and while I believed in God and the Lord Jesus, it was... well god and jesus the son of god. (Notice the lower case?) I Came to confession of faith and baptism in my late 20s. At 34 on Easter Sunday my wife came to me and basically told me she wanted a divorce, I decided to get nosy and discovered she had been having multiple affairs going back a number of years. To before our marriage.
I was not going to give up and insisted on marriage counseling, our pastor referred us to a really good counselor, who was actually a Catholic marriage counselor and determined to do all she could to get our marriage in order.
After a dozen sessions, my wife sat in front of both the counselor and myself and swore she didn't believe in the God stuff, it was just for her a social thing, and she was not under any circumstances going to end things with the men she was having affairs with. So we can just stop trying and stop telling her about Gods design for marriage. The counselor asked to speak / have sessions one on one instead of couples to try to get to the bottom of it.
Not long afterwards at my one on one session a Catholic counselor told me that if she left, and she was going to, I was not bound to her morally. Quoting 1 Corinthians 7 15 specifically among other passages. "15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart. For a brother or sister cannot be made subject to servitude in this way. For God has called us to peace." (Catholid Public Domain Version (English)).
My wife at the time divorced me, and rapidly remarried another man, one of the men she was having an affair with. She has since married and divorced at least 2 other men that I am aware of.
I know what I read in scripture and what my pastor teaches about the matter, and I know I am not bound to her any more. But here is where the catholic church comes into play.
I met, courted and wanted to marry a beautiful Godly woman whos family was split down the middle Catholic / Protestant, and I wanted to do it right, and have her fathers blessing to our marriage. He knew I had been divorced and was dead set against it. So I asked him if he would please accompany me to the parish and talk to the priest.
He agreed, and we went, and sat down for a good long while and talked with the priest, after laying out the papers the counselor gave me, the marriage license showing the officiant was a judge and not a pastor or priest, and knowing the marriage was entered into as basically an agnostic, the priest told this womans father, and myself, that in the eyes of the Catholic church, I was never married as she never entered validly into the marriage covenant, among too many other reasons to list.
He gave me his blessing, and I married my beautiful bride in a beautiful ceremony performed by a Baptist Pastor.
We were married 15 years before she passed away during COVID. So now I am a widower.
I was involved with a grief support group for widows and widowers, and one of the widows and I had become friends as our values were both very much aligned and we found the other easy to talk to. She is Catholic. And that difference has not been a stumbling block.
I know we went over my past. I am very open and honest about it.
Well my friendship with this woman has blossomed into a full and proper relationship. And I could seriously see myself marrying her and growing old together.
And the subject of Divorce came up last time we were talking. And it seems she has forgotten that major detail to my life, or has simply accepted the priests prior response and moved on.
I want to talk to her about it, and make sure we are on the same page.
How can I put her mind at ease with my situation?
Does the Catholic Church teach that in situations like mine I should remain unmarried?
I am not catholic myself, but rather a non denominational Christian. And I am not here to argue or discuss the whole Catholic vs. Protestant thing. My brother has been working on that for 2 decades.
This is about making and keeping peace between followers of Jesus Christ and my personal relationships.
I married, Justice of The Peace ceremony in my early 20s and while I believed in God and the Lord Jesus, it was... well god and jesus the son of god. (Notice the lower case?) I Came to confession of faith and baptism in my late 20s. At 34 on Easter Sunday my wife came to me and basically told me she wanted a divorce, I decided to get nosy and discovered she had been having multiple affairs going back a number of years. To before our marriage.
I was not going to give up and insisted on marriage counseling, our pastor referred us to a really good counselor, who was actually a Catholic marriage counselor and determined to do all she could to get our marriage in order.
After a dozen sessions, my wife sat in front of both the counselor and myself and swore she didn't believe in the God stuff, it was just for her a social thing, and she was not under any circumstances going to end things with the men she was having affairs with. So we can just stop trying and stop telling her about Gods design for marriage. The counselor asked to speak / have sessions one on one instead of couples to try to get to the bottom of it.
Not long afterwards at my one on one session a Catholic counselor told me that if she left, and she was going to, I was not bound to her morally. Quoting 1 Corinthians 7 15 specifically among other passages. "15 But if the unbeliever departs, let him depart. For a brother or sister cannot be made subject to servitude in this way. For God has called us to peace." (Catholid Public Domain Version (English)).
My wife at the time divorced me, and rapidly remarried another man, one of the men she was having an affair with. She has since married and divorced at least 2 other men that I am aware of.
I know what I read in scripture and what my pastor teaches about the matter, and I know I am not bound to her any more. But here is where the catholic church comes into play.
I met, courted and wanted to marry a beautiful Godly woman whos family was split down the middle Catholic / Protestant, and I wanted to do it right, and have her fathers blessing to our marriage. He knew I had been divorced and was dead set against it. So I asked him if he would please accompany me to the parish and talk to the priest.
He agreed, and we went, and sat down for a good long while and talked with the priest, after laying out the papers the counselor gave me, the marriage license showing the officiant was a judge and not a pastor or priest, and knowing the marriage was entered into as basically an agnostic, the priest told this womans father, and myself, that in the eyes of the Catholic church, I was never married as she never entered validly into the marriage covenant, among too many other reasons to list.
He gave me his blessing, and I married my beautiful bride in a beautiful ceremony performed by a Baptist Pastor.
We were married 15 years before she passed away during COVID. So now I am a widower.
I was involved with a grief support group for widows and widowers, and one of the widows and I had become friends as our values were both very much aligned and we found the other easy to talk to. She is Catholic. And that difference has not been a stumbling block.
I know we went over my past. I am very open and honest about it.
Well my friendship with this woman has blossomed into a full and proper relationship. And I could seriously see myself marrying her and growing old together.
And the subject of Divorce came up last time we were talking. And it seems she has forgotten that major detail to my life, or has simply accepted the priests prior response and moved on.
I want to talk to her about it, and make sure we are on the same page.
How can I put her mind at ease with my situation?
Does the Catholic Church teach that in situations like mine I should remain unmarried?