The Problem with Breast Implants

[Whyayeman]

My only real point here is that I don't think saying The Catholic Church is the reason for modern circumcision in the West is a valid argument. Especially given that, generally, Catholicism has historically frowned on circumcision because of historic theological and religious issues that go back to the earliest years of Christianity, when there were still ongoing debates among Christians over whether Christians are obligated to observe Jewish laws or not; with circumcision being one of the big ones.

And my own (granted, meager) reading on the history of the topic tends to suggest that modern medical circumcision (as opposed to religious circumcision) is 1) mostly American and 2) a result of early 20th century medical views.

To focus on the topic on the whole: It's not my business what people do with their bodies, whether it is cosmetic surgery or something else. The only caveat would involve the subject of self-harm; if a person is engaging in self-harm then we should focus on helping them find healing for the emotional traumas and injuries they have experienced. Whatever personal opinion I, or anyone else, has over something like tattoos, piercings, cosmetic surgery, or the like is completely meaningless--because it's not my business.

-CryptoLutheran

I agree with all of this - up to the point of whose business it is. Nearly all circumcision in performed on extremely young babies. There is a school of thought, which emerged out of the modern revulsion about female genital mutilation, that circumcision is mutilation too. Just saying.

 

[ViaCrucis]

I agree with all of this - up to the point of whose business it is. Nearly all circumcision in performed on extremely young babies. There is a school of thought, which emerged out of the modern revulsion about female genital mutilation, that circumcision is mutilation too. Just saying.

I'm familiar with the argument.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Godcrazy]

Circumcision isn't a religious requirement in Christianity. As far as many Christians are circumcised at least in the US, it's for cultural reasons, not religious ones.

I had a friend that had small breasts so she did it after some time she had no feelings in her front areas at all, and they also started to leak. Why on earth should we change what God made. I can understand if you are deformed or something

 

[Godcrazy]

I am a guy, and this body modification culture has got to stop. I will never get a tattoo or anything else. By the way, feel free to read the disclaimer at the bottom of my post first.


Here is why:

Body modification, which includes practices such as piercings, tattoos, and scarification, can have various cons from both a secular and religious perspective. I'll focus on the secular cons first, followed by relevant Biblical verses that some people may interpret as cautioning against body modification.

From a Secular Perspective:
1. Health Risks: Body modifications can lead to infections, allergic reactions, scarring, and other health complications. For instance, poorly done piercings or tattoos can result in infections that may be difficult to treat or even lead to long-term health issues.
2. Cost: Body modifications can be expensive, and the costs can add up quickly for multiple procedures or ongoing maintenance. For example, tattoos require touch-ups and fading over time, which may mean frequent visits to a tattoo artist or even removal procedures.
3. Social Impact: Body modifications can impact your social life and professional opportunities in various ways. Some employers may have policies against visible tattoos or piercings, and certain social circles may not accept these modifications.
4. Regret: People sometimes change their minds about body modifications, leading to feelings of regret or dissatisfaction. For example, a tattoo that seemed cool in your twenties may not be as appealing in your forties.

From a Christian Perspective:
1. Leviticus 19:28: "You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord." This verse is often cited as a reason against body modification from a religious standpoint.
2. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20: "Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies." Some Christians may argue that body modifications go against honoring God with our bodies.
3. Proverbs 20:24: "A man's pride will bring him low, but a humble spirit will obtain honor." Some may argue that the desire for body modifications stems from pride and seeking attention or affirmation from others, which goes against this verse.

*Disclaimer: Interpretations of these verses can vary among different religious groups and individuals. Some may view them as absolute prohibitions, while others may see them as more metaphorical or culturally-bound guidance from ancient times. Ultimately, each person must weigh the potential cons of body modification against their personal beliefs and values.

I'm highly allergic and very fair skin to the point of redness. I can't do tattoos. But I wouldn't anyway. I fail to see any beauty in it.

 

[Godcrazy]

Yeah, if B.I. are used for cancer, then that is okay. But, if it is just used for body modification, that money could be used for more important stuff.

I think people are doing it to fit in. Not to stand out. Herd thinking. I have no respect for that

 

[AlexB23]

I think people are doing it to fit in. Not to stand out. Herd thinking. I have no respect for that

I agree with you entirely on this. Also, wow, reviving an old post.

 

[Godcrazy]

I agree with you entirely on this. Also, wow, reviving an old post.

It fits quite well with renewing your mind after God's mind, not the world. Thinking of that, the imagination goes wild thinking where it could go

 

[AlexB23]

It fits quite well with renewing your mind after God's mind, not the world. Thinking of that, the imagination goes wild thinking where it could go

That is true.

 

[Godcrazy]

That is true.

That's a slippery slope that. I think we either go to holiness or the other way.

 

[AlexB23]

That's a slippery slope that. I think we either go to holiness or the other way.

We agree on this. We literally agree on everything related to this topic, so no need to continue.

 

[RileyG]

Circumcision isn't a religious requirement in Christianity. As far as many Christians are circumcised at least in the US, it's for cultural reasons, not religious ones.

Correct. No Christians, as far as I know, are circumcised for religious reasons.

 

[tgg]

There are women that are modest and try to cover up a bit. Even my wife does not wear a bathing suit. If she goes swimming she wears a tee shirt and shorts. John Wesley said his biggest mistake was not to teach people to be more modest. There is a time and a season for everything.

Modesty has nothing to do with what you put or don't put over your body. It's a state of the heart. The original word for 'modesty' is 'kosmios', which is where the words 'cosmos' and 'cosmetics' originate from. It is possible to wear nothing at all and behave in an orderly manner, just as much as it is possible to be fully dressed or partly dressed and behave in a disorderly manner.

I agree there are times and places for clothes, but also times and places where they are not necessary. The beach and other waterways are one example. Who really wants to or needs to swim in clothes that trap sand and do nothing to protect the skin?

 

[Whyayeman]

Skinny-dipping!

It's been a while...

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Skinny-dipping!

It's been a while...

I actually just did it, lol! Super, super liberating.