From Sheol to hell

[tonychanyt]

The word "Sheol" occurs 64 times in the OT. It is always singular.

It is the realm of the dead, Proverbs 7:

27 Her house is the way to Sheol, going down to the chambers of death.

Sheol is singular; chambers are plural.

Genesis 44:

29 If you take this one also from me, and harm happens to him, you will bring down my gray hairs with sorrow to Sheol.

It is a place of the dead.

It is below the ground, Numbers 16:

30 But if Yahweh make a new thing, and the ground open its mouth, and swallow them up, with all that appertain to them, and they go down alive into Sheol; then you shall understand that these men have despised Yahweh.

At least symbolically, it is below ground. Where is Sheol?

Psalm 139:

8 If I ascend to heaven, you are there!
If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!

Heaven was parallel to *Sheol". I interpret both as pointing to locations in the spiritual realm (dimension).

There is a fire at some deep level, Deuteronomy 32:

22 For a fire is kindled by my anger, and it burns to the depths of Sheol, devours the earth and its increase, and sets on fire the foundations of the mountains.

God can bring you down and up, 1 Samuel 2:

6 "Yahweh kills, and makes alive. He brings down to Sheol, and brings up.

Psalms 30 hints about the resurrection:

3 Yahweh, you have brought up my soul from Sheol. You have kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.

Souls are kept in Sheol.

More hints in Psalms 49:

15 God will redeem my soul from the power of Sheol, for he will receive me.

Psalms 86:

13 For your loving kindness is great toward me. You have delivered my soul from the lowest Sheol.

There are different levels in Sheol.

Jesus borrows the image of worms in the last verse of Isaiah 66:

24 “As they go forth, they will see the corpses of the men who have rebelled against Me; for their worm will never die, their fire will never be quenched, and they will be a horror to all mankind.

Hosea 13 alludes to the good news:

14 I will ransom them from the power of Sheol.
I will redeem them from death!
Death, where are your plagues?
Sheol, where is your destruction?

The OT does not clearly mention the concept of eternal conscious fiery torments for the wicket. It does hint at the good news of the resurrection of the dead.

In the NT, Jesus continues this progressive revelation of Sheol and develops the concept of hell, NIV Mark 9:

47 And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, 48‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’

See also

• Sheol = Hades?
• Does the Bible teach conscious torment over an infinite period of time?.

 

[Qubit]

And then one day you realize it was all just allegory for the Womb...

Jesus descended to the 'lower parts of the Earth'... aka... Mary's Womb.

Ephesians 4:9
"Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?"

You have all failed in your understanding. Christianity is dying because of it.

 

[Grip Docility]

The word "Sheol" occurs 64 times in the OT. It is always singular.

It is the realm of the dead, Proverbs 7:


Sheol is singular; chambers are plural.

Genesis 44:


It is a place of the dead.

It is below the ground, Numbers 16:


At least symbolically, it is below ground. Where is Sheol?

Psalm 139:


Heaven was parallel to *Sheol". I interpret both as pointing to locations in the spiritual realm (dimension).

There is a fire at some deep level, Deuteronomy 32:


God can bring you down and up, 1 Samuel 2:


Psalms 30 hints about the resurrection:


Souls are kept in Sheol.

More hints in Psalms 49:


Psalms 86:


There are different levels in Sheol.

Jesus borrows the image of worms in the last verse of Isaiah 66:


Hosea 13 alludes to the good news:


The OT does not clearly mention the concept of eternal conscious fiery torments for the wicket. It does hint at the good news of the resurrection of the dead.

In the NT, Jesus continues this progressive revelation of Sheol and develops the concept of hell, NIV Mark 9:


See also

• Sheol = Hades?
• Does the Bible teach conscious torment over an infinite period of time?.

I’ve been reading your verses and rereading them! Well written!!!!

It’s one of those biblical matters that is seriously difficult to grab enough material on to bring it forward! However… You, Tony, have done fantastic!

Am I crazy to think that David may very well be the most powerful OT Prophet?

 

[tonychanyt]

Am I crazy to think that David may very well be the most powerful OT Prophet?

Maybe just half crazy

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

The word "Sheol" occurs 64 times in the OT. It is always singular.

It is the realm of the dead, Proverbs 7:


Sheol is singular; chambers are plural.

Genesis 44:


It is a place of the dead.

It is below the ground, Numbers 16:


At least symbolically, it is below ground. Where is Sheol?

Psalm 139:


Heaven was parallel to *Sheol". I interpret both as pointing to locations in the spiritual realm (dimension).

There is a fire at some deep level, Deuteronomy 32:


God can bring you down and up, 1 Samuel 2:


Psalms 30 hints about the resurrection:


Souls are kept in Sheol.

More hints in Psalms 49:


Psalms 86:


There are different levels in Sheol.

Jesus borrows the image of worms in the last verse of Isaiah 66:


Hosea 13 alludes to the good news:


The OT does not clearly mention the concept of eternal conscious fiery torments for the wicket. It does hint at the good news of the resurrection of the dead.

In the NT, Jesus continues this progressive revelation of Sheol and develops the concept of hell, NIV Mark 9:


See also

• Sheol = Hades?
• Does the Bible teach conscious torment over an infinite period of time?.

Personally I think the Hebrew Sheol / Greek Hades and the Greek Gehenna (G1067) from Mark 9 refer to different places. Sheol/Hades are not permanent destinations, while Gehenna seems to be.

 

[Grip Docility]

Personally I think the Hebrew Sheol / Greek Hades and the Greek Gehenna (G1067) from Mark 9 refer to different places. Sheol/Hades are not permanent destinations, while Gehenna seems to be.

There is EVEN hope for those in Sheol/Hades.

Once a person dips their toe in the LAKE OF FIRE (Gehenna / Hell / Ga Hinnom), it seems to be a permanent issue. What that means, exactly, is up to the Almighty. His Mercy seems to be a pretty important matter, so, I'm not holding on to the idea of God employing Eternal Torture! It's one of those theological matters that I honestly don't have the specifics on, but instead can say... so and so say it will be this way, while others say this and such forth.

 

[RDKirk]

Personally I think the Hebrew Sheol / Greek Hades and the Greek Gehenna (G1067) from Mark 9 refer to different places. Sheol/Hades are not permanent destinations, while Gehenna seems to be.

Some translations use "hell" where the Greek uses Hades and use "hellfire" where the Greek uses Gehenna. When you read the distinction in context, yes, Hades is not used contextually as a permanent destination, but Gehenna is.

There is yet a third place mentioned, Tartarus, which in Greek mythology was a prison for the gods, and as mentioned in the NT, it's the final eternal prison specifically for Satan and demons.

 

[eleos1954]

The word "Sheol" occurs 64 times in the OT. It is always singular.

It is the realm of the dead, Proverbs 7:


Sheol is singular; chambers are plural.

Genesis 44:


It is a place of the dead.

It is below the ground, Numbers 16:


At least symbolically, it is below ground. Where is Sheol?

Psalm 139:


Heaven was parallel to *Sheol". I interpret both as pointing to locations in the spiritual realm (dimension).

There is a fire at some deep level, Deuteronomy 32:


God can bring you down and up, 1 Samuel 2:


Psalms 30 hints about the resurrection:


Souls are kept in Sheol.

More hints in Psalms 49:


Psalms 86:


There are different levels in Sheol.

Jesus borrows the image of worms in the last verse of Isaiah 66:


Hosea 13 alludes to the good news:


The OT does not clearly mention the concept of eternal conscious fiery torments for the wicket. It does hint at the good news of the resurrection of the dead.

In the NT, Jesus continues this progressive revelation of Sheol and develops the concept of hell, NIV Mark 9:


See also

• Sheol = Hades?
• Does the Bible teach conscious torment over an infinite period of time?.

• Sheol = Hades? is not a working link.

The OT teaches death as a sleep .... Jesus taught from the OT ... Jesus said death was a sleep and was laughed at.

Luke 8:52

52Meanwhile, everyone was weeping and mourning for her. But Jesus said, “ Stop weeping; she is not dead but asleep.” 53And they laughed at Him, knowing that she was dead.…

Because Jesus has the power of resurrection it's not surprising at all He calls death a sleep.

This confusion about it comes from the belief of an immortal "soul" ... we are not immortal in any way .... that don't happen until Jesus
returns and the 1st resurrection happens.

We are complete beings and when we die our complete being dies and we turn to dust ... we don't have a "spirit" that is separate from our body.

The words "immortal" and "soul" do not appear together anywhere in the Bible.

Death is death (whether the first or the second death) .... we aren't supposed to be confused about it.

 

[Grip Docility]

• Sheol = Hades? is not a working link.

The OT teaches death as a sleep .... Jesus taught from the OT ... Jesus said death was a sleep and was laughed at.

Luke 8:52

52Meanwhile, everyone was weeping and mourning for her. But Jesus said, “ Stop weeping; she is not dead but asleep.” 53And they laughed at Him, knowing that she was dead.…

Because Jesus has the power of resurrection it's not surprising at all He calls death a sleep.

This confusion about it comes from the belief of an immortal "soul" ... we are not immortal in any way .... that don't happen until Jesus
returns and the 1st resurrection happens.

We are complete beings and when we die our complete being dies and we turn to dust ... we don't have a "spirit" that is separate from our body.

The words "immortal" and "soul" do not appear together anywhere in the Bible.

Death is death (whether the first or the second death) .... we aren't supposed to be confused about it.

According to scripture, only One being is capable of "Destroying" a soul. What word would you use for something that only the Almighty can destroy, yet remains indestructible to all of creation?

 

[eleos1954]

According to scripture, only One being is capable of "Destroying" a soul. What word would you use for something that only the Almighty can destroy, yet remains indestructible to all of creation?

God created everything ... He is sovereign over all of His creation ... He can destroy all of it ... and will someday ... other than those in the 1st resurrection that are taken up and receive ever lasting life (immortality)

Ezekiel 18:4 ESV​

Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Genesis 3:19 Amplified Bible (AMP)“By the sweat of your face You will eat bread Until you return to the ground, For from it you were taken (created); For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.”

 

[Grip Docility]

God created everything ... He is sovereign over all of His creation ... He can destroy all of it ... and will someday ... other than those in the 1st resurrection that are taken up and receive ever lasting life (immortality)

Ezekiel 18:4 ESV​

Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

Genesis 3:19 Amplified Bible (AMP)“By the sweat of your face You will eat bread Until you return to the ground, For from it you were taken (created); For you are dust, And to dust you shall return.”

Right, those that UNBELIEVE in the Final day, their souls will be "Destroyed" by God.

Do you have a word for something that is Immortal to all of creation and only Mortal to God? Jesus, Himself, made it clear that only He, God, can destroy souls. By Jesus' very words, the SOUL exists until the Lake of Fire is lit and souls are cast into it.

What word would you assign to that?