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Brutal Bible Bloodbaths is now available on Steam Early Access. It has a ridiculous amount of blood though otherwise the graphics are like Minecraft since they are not very realistic.
Based on a shocking Bible passage, use weapons like your magic laser sword to cleanse the promised land with optional blood splatter and body chopping.
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It is based on Deuteronomy 20:16-20 - and some boys talk about it - I was wondering if Christians thought the humor was offensive...
From the video:
Kevin: So, in this game God said we have to kill everything that breathes in those cities?
Justin: Yes
Kevin: Even babies?
Justin: Yeah
Kevin: Cool.
Kevin: Is it bad for me to love that command?
Justin: No, you're just being enthusiastic about God's perfect plan
Kevin: That's good, I was worried I might be a psychopath
Though I thought the boys seemed to be pretty respectful of God.
This shows footage of a sacrificed toddler being sliced up, worshipping a foreign goddess idol causing soldiers to kill you, chopping clothed temple prostitutes, ordering soldiers to go on a killing spree, a cow corpse spilling blood onto flowers, receiving a quest, being told to chop living chickens' legs but their head was chopped instead of their legs:
This shows the player chasing people around houses in order to kill them, tidying up after the soldiers by pushing chopped bodies into a pit, and skilfully chopping animals.
Here is the Bible passage it is based on:
Deuteronomy 20:16-20
But what about the cities the Lord your God is giving you as your own? Kill everything that breathes in those cities. Completely destroy them. Wipe out the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. That’s what the Lord your God commanded you to do. If you don’t destroy them, they’ll teach you to do all the things the Lord hates. He hates the way they worship their gods. If you do those things, you will sin against the Lord your God.
Suppose you surround a city and get ready to attack it. And suppose you fight against it for a long time in order to capture it. Then don’t chop down its trees and destroy them. You can eat their fruit. So don’t cut them down. Are the trees people? So why should you attack them? But you can cut down trees that you know aren’t fruit trees. You can build war machines out of their wood. You can use them until you capture the city you are fighting against.
Brutal Bible Bloodbaths is now available on Steam Early Access. It has a ridiculous amount of blood though otherwise the graphics are like Minecraft since they are not very realistic.
Based on a shocking Bible passage, use weapons like your magic laser sword to cleanse the promised land with optional blood splatter and body chopping.
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It is based on Deuteronomy 20:16-20 - and some boys talk about it - I was wondering if Christians thought the humor was offensive...
Though I thought the boys seemed to be pretty respectful of God.
This shows footage of a sacrificed toddler being sliced up, worshipping a foreign goddess idol causing soldiers to kill you, chopping clothed temple prostitutes, ordering soldiers to go on a killing spree, a cow corpse spilling blood onto flowers, receiving a quest, being told to chop living chickens' legs but their head was chopped instead of their legs:
This shows the player chasing people around houses in order to kill them, tidying up after the soldiers by pushing chopped bodies into a pit, and skilfully chopping animals.
Here is the Bible passage it is based on:
Deuteronomy 20:16-20
Ephesians 4:31-32 (ESV): "Let all bitterness and wrath and anger and clamor and slander be put away from you, along with all malice. Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you."
Matthew 26:52 (ESV): "Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place. For all who take the sword will perish by the sword."
Explanation
Ephesians 4:31-32 is a call for Christians to put away negative emotions and behaviors such as bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, slander, and malice, and instead be kind, tenderhearted, and forgiving towards one another. This passage emphasizes the importance of love, kindness, and forgiveness in the Christian community.
Matthew 26:52, on the other hand, is a command from Jesus to one of His disciples, Peter, to put away his sword after attempting to defend Jesus with violence. Jesus' message here was that violence and the use of force are not the solutions to conflicts or threats, but rather, love, peace, and forgiveness should be pursued.
Both passages emphasize the importance of non-violence and forgiveness in the context of religious beliefs and communities. Cults or individuals who use tainted religious views as an excuse to commit heinous acts, such as violence, are in direct opposition to these teachings.
Yeah, the OT does not reflect Christian life nowadays. I am glad that Jesus got rid of the OT in the NT. If we all lived like the Old Testament, the world would be a place of death.
Yeah, the OT does not reflect Christian life nowadays. I am glad that Jesus got rid of the OT in the NT. If we all lived like the Old Testament, the world would be a place of death.
Based on a shocking Bible passage, use weapons like your magic laser sword to cleanse the promised land with optional blood splatter and body chopping.
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BTW if you play for at least 5 minutes you can leave a review by going to "Store Page" below the green PLAY button.
Based on a shocking Bible passage, use weapons like your magic laser sword to cleanse the promised land with optional blood splatter and body chopping.
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BTW if you play for at least 5 minutes you can leave a review by going to "Store Page". A review helps the game's visibility even if you set Visibility to "Friends only".
Yeah, the OT does not reflect Christian life nowadays. I am glad that Jesus got rid of the OT in the NT. If we all lived like the Old Testament, the world would be a place of death.
Originally the game had pretty relaxed groans and gasps for the people being killed. It seems the reviewer was complaining about the suffering not being extreme enough. So I've made all the people scream in agony. Well I couldn't find proper screams for the boys but it is near enough. I've updated the videos on the Steam page.
Who is this man coming from the city of Bozrah in Edom?
His clothes are stained bright red.
Who is he? He is dressed up in all his glory.
He is marching toward us with great strength.
The Lord answers, “It is I.
I have won the battle.
I am mighty.
I have saved my people.”
Why are your clothes red?
They look as if you have been stomping
on grapes in a winepress.
The Lord answers, “I have been stomping on the nations
as if they were grapes.
No one was there to help me.
I walked all over the nations because I was angry.
That is why I stomped on them.
Their blood splashed all over my clothes.
So my clothes were stained bright red.
I decided it was time to pay back Israel’s enemies.
The year for me to set my people free had come.
I looked around, but no one was there to help me.
I was shocked that no one gave me any help.
I used my own power to save my people.
I had the strength to do it because I was angry.
I walked all over the nations because I was angry with them.
I made them drink from the cup of my great anger.
I poured out their blood on the ground.”
Now I have a level where you need to have some survivors...
Numbers 31:7,17-18
They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man.
[Later Moses said:]
"Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
Isn't making a game that glorifies violence and sexual immorality a gross sin against the Lord? The LORD examines both the righteous and the wicked. He hates those who love violence. Psalm 11:5
The Bible does not glorify violence.
Rather, these accounts are there that we can learn from them how God feels about them, and the consequences. In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire. Jude 1:7
If God did not recount these things for his people, they would not have clear examples that would help them avoid falling into the same conduct. Now these things took place as examples for us, that we might not desire evil as they did. 1 Corinthians 10:6
I have in mind making a game based on the Bible, but it will be playable by all - adults and children, and both entertaining and educational.
I will certainly not be glorifying what God hates.
At the start there is now a title screen which asks if you want blood and gore or not. If you choose no it goes to the "Unbrutal Bible Bubblebaths" title screen and there is no blood or chopping. Originally I had groans and sighs instead of screaming but a Christian gave a negative review saying things like:
"...the game fails to demonstrate the real suffering that took place in Philistia and Phoenicia"
So that is why I added screams of agony.
It is cartoonish though. Also there are a large number of games that glorify violence like the Doom games and Mortal Kombat. But I'm including gameplay that is based on Bible passages.
In like manner, Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, who indulged in sexual immorality and pursued strange flesh, are on display as an example of those who sustain the punishment of eternal fire. Jude 1:7
If God did not recount these things for his people, they would not have clear examples that would help them avoid falling into the same conduct. Now these things took place as examples for us, that we might not desire evil as they did. 1 Corinthians 10:6
I have in mind making a game based on the Bible, but it will be playable by all - adults and children, and both entertaining and educational.
I will certainly not be glorifying what God hates.
I thought I'd portray things that are normally ignored in Bible games, etc. If there was no "Sinful Temple" in the game then the player wouldn't really understand why they need to kill everything that breathes.
At the start there is now a title screen which asks if you want blood and gore or not. If you choose no it goes to the "Unbrutal Bible Bubblebaths" title screen and there is no blood or chopping. Originally I had groans and sighs instead of screaming but a Christian gave a negative review saying things like:
"...the game fails to demonstrate the real suffering that took place in Philistia and Phoenicia"
So that is why I added screams of agony.
Isn't that like me making a game with porn, and giving the player the option to choose whether or not they want to see nudity or not?
Do you see a difference?
Groans and wailing leave it to the imagination of the audience, just as two people kissing, but the audience cannot see their lips, or two people naked under the covers, but the audience cannot tell if they have on underwear or not.
When we look at how things are censored, we get the idea that the makers are considering their audience, since they are not catering to people that love things that are shocking.
You know whom you are catering to, John, don't you?
I don't think it is glorifying sexual immorality because the soldiers and you need to kill those people.
It is cartoonish though. Also there are a large number of games that glorify violence like the Doom games and Mortal Kombat. But I'm including gameplay that is based on Bible passages.
Doom; Mortal Kombat; Carmagedon; GTA; Call of Duty; God of War... all designed to desensitize the audience, or the player, to shocking things, so that they love it, and are drawn to them....
More money for the people that care little about sin.
This is why Marvel is so deep into it.
It's why Disney loves their young viewers who aren't aware of the harmful spiritism in their "oh so innocent" movies.
It's a money making affair John, and one can easily get pulled into it, because it's all around us, and sometimes we immerse ourselves in it.
I was there before... well, at least before games got more graphic.
People are mor obsessed now with graphic violence than in the past.
Why do you think that is the case? Desensitization.
Well what you and the soldiers do involves the consquences.
Well in the gameplay you are the punishment for those kinds of things.
I thought I'd portray things that are normally ignored in Bible games, etc. If there was no "Sinful Temple" in the game then the player wouldn't really understand why they need to kill everything that breathes.
There are ways to make a game, or movie of the Bible without being graphic, and still let the audience know something is sinful, or some form of punishment has taken place.
Movie makers do it all the time.
It's usually up to the developer what they want to be seen, or not seen... promoted, or not promoted. Isn't that so?
Isn't that like me making a game with porn, and giving the player the option to choose whether or not they want to see nudity or not?
Do you see a difference?
Actually there is a hidden version of the game that is more explicit. It quotes Ezekiel 23 including verse 20 which I think could be considered pornographic (if the language is more literal like the NIRV rather than using euphemisms in the translation). It is $1 which limits it to people with access to payment systems and you need certain options enabled.
Groans and wailing leave it to the imagination of the audience, just as two people kissing, but the audience cannot see their lips, or two people naked under the covers, but the audience cannot tell if they have on underwear or not.
When we look at how things are censored, we get the idea that the makers are considering their audience, since they are not catering to people that love things that are shocking.
You know whom you are catering to, John, don't you?
Well the title is "Brutal Bible Bloodbaths" and the capsule shows a woman being sliced open vertically. If it didn't deliver blood and gore they might feel disappointed. Though on the other hand there is the option to turn off the blood and gore where they have a Y or N choice at the warning screen.
Also I got a negative review from a Christian about the lack of suffering. I don't want to get any more of those negative reviews. I wanted to point out that you aren't the target market.
...There are ways to make a game, or movie of the Bible without being graphic, and still let the audience know something is sinful, or some form of punishment has taken place.
Movie makers do it all the time.
It's usually up to the developer what they want to be seen, or not seen... promoted, or not promoted. Isn't that so?
Well I wanted to have a different approach to regular games about the Bible. I think the passages are shocking so the gameplay reflects that - in a cartoonish way (a bit like South Park). If the graphics were photorealistic it would be more shocking.
Actually there is a hidden version of the game that is more explicit. It quotes Ezekiel 23 including verse 20 which I think could be considered pornographic (if the language is more literal like the NIRV rather than using euphemisms in the translation). It is $1 which limits it to people with access to payment systems and you need certain options enabled.
Well the title is "Brutal Bible Bloodbaths" and the capsule shows a woman being sliced open vertically. If it didn't deliver blood and gore they might feel disappointed. Though on the other hand there is the option to turn off the blood and gore where they have a Y or N choice at the warning screen.
Also I got a negative review from a Christian about the lack of suffering. I don't want to get any more of those negative reviews. I wanted to point out that you aren't the target market.
Well I wanted to have a different approach to regular games about the Bible. I think the passages are shocking so the gameplay reflects that - in a cartoonish way (a bit like South Park). If the graphics were photorealistic it would be more shocking.
You know the audience you are targeting, and it's not for Christians - those that follow Christ, that is, and love the Lord. Psalm 11:5 expresses that, as well as Psalm 97:10 and Romans 12:9.
Brutal Bible Bloodbaths is now available on Steam Early Access. It has a ridiculous amount of blood though otherwise the graphics are like Minecraft since they are not very realistic.
Based on a shocking Bible passage, use weapons like your magic laser sword to cleanse the promised land with optional blood splatter and body chopping.
store.steampowered.com
It is based on Deuteronomy 20:16-20 - and some boys talk about it - I was wondering if Christians thought the humor was offensive...
Though I thought the boys seemed to be pretty respectful of God.
If this Game is for children, have you considered rating it PG?
Not that that would matter, if only atheists are playing this, since they will probably try to make God look as ugly as possible, and not tell them the whole truth.
For example, were the Israelites to love the command, in the sense the young boy thinks?
Proverbs 17:5
...whoever rejoices in the ruin of another will not go unpunished.
Would it therefore please God, if one sits and enjoys doing this... finding delight, and glee, as they slaughter their victims?
Of course not.
While that may not bother atheists, warning people with children who may want to please God about how God feels about the matter, would be to their benefit.
No lover of God would enjoy this game though, for those two reasons.
God (1) hates the one loving violence, and (2) will punish the one that delights in the destruction of individuals.
In fact, God himself does not delight or pleasure in the death of anyone. Ezekiel 18:23, 32
For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord GOD
A child being aware of this, and considering God, would most certainly avoid this game, and any like it.
This shows footage of a sacrificed toddler being sliced up, worshipping a foreign goddess idol causing soldiers to kill you, chopping clothed temple prostitutes, ordering soldiers to go on a killing spree, a cow corpse spilling blood onto flowers, receiving a quest, being told to chop living chickens' legs but their head was chopped instead of their legs:
Think of a firing squad.
They line the criminals who received their death sentence, in front of their grave, and on the order, they fire their guns... making sure they don't miss.
It may not be a job they enjoy, but it's a job.
It's not likely they would be grinning as they pull the trigger... although living in a world where many have developed callous hearts, and will sit and enjoy watching Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and the like, there are the odd number that would take pleasure in hanging someone; chopping off their head, and seeing it drop...
Love of darkness is indeed normal today. John 3:19
This shows the player chasing people around houses in order to kill them, tidying up after the soldiers by pushing chopped bodies into a pit, and skilfully chopping animals.
Here is the Bible passage it is based on:
Deuteronomy 20:16-20
How accurate is your game?
If it's not accurately based on the scriptures, it's not based on the scriptures.
Usually, when endeavoring to make a game or movie based on history, or a document, or book, people do thorough research, so as to not misrepresent the facts.
Joshua 10:28, and Joshua 11:11 are corresponding text, and no one was buried, or pushed into a pit, and there was no need to skillfully chop animal, since they burned the city. So any survivor would be "incinerated".
The Israelites did not only have swords. They had spearmen Numbers 25:7, and they also had archers Genesis 27:4; Genesis 48:21, 22. The archers in David's time, were accurate to a hair's breath, and would not miss.
I can't see them running behind a horse, or cat.
Striking the city with the sword doesn't necessarily mean the sword alone was used.
Joshua 24:11-13 reads
11 “When you crossed the Jordan River and came to Jericho, the men of Jericho fought against you, as did the Amorites, the Perizzites, the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites. But I gave you victory over them.
12 And I sent terror ahead of you to drive out the two kings of the Amorites. It was not your swords or bows that brought you victory.
13 I gave you land you had not worked on, and I gave you towns you did not build—the towns where you are now living. I gave you vineyards and olive groves for food, though you did not plant them.
Psalm 44:3 reads
They did not conquer the land with their swords; it was not their own strong arm that gave them victory. It was your right hand and strong arm and the blinding light from your face that helped them, for you loved them.
So, there are a few details missing from your game.
Not that they make that much of a difference to what you are aiming to achieve.
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