The Biggest ‘Revisionist History’ About Jan. 6, 2021 Comes From Democrats Like Nancy Pelosi

[Vambram]

I got lots of stuff to counter the liberals talking points.

'Tainted and corrupted': Gingrich calls on GOP-led House to 'repudiate' Jan. 6 Committee

Both former Trump advisors Peter Navarro and Steve Bannon have been convicted of contempt of Congress over their refusal to comply with subpoenas from the committee.

justthenews.com

 

[Arcangl86]

Yes... those protestors who were told by Trump to peacefully and patriotically let their voices be heard.

Yes. The same ones that he later told in that same speech "And we fight. We fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not going to have a country anymore."

Do you have any problems with the violent protestors supporting BLM or Hamas? I know that I do and I hope that y'all do as well.

I have issues with violent protestors regardless of what they are protesting. BLM and pro-Palestinian supporters aren't trying to interrupt a process that is fundamental to the peaceful transfer of power that characterizes our country.

 

[Vambram]

Nevertheless, if there was enough security at the Capitol building, if the National Guard was there, I know that the those protestors would not have breached the building.

 

[Vambram]

According to Patel, the Capitol Police report to the Speaker of the House.

My response: since when?

https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight

Does the Sergeant of Arms in the House of Representatives report to the Speaker of the House?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Nevertheless, if there was enough security at the Capitol building, if the National Guard was there, I know that the those protestors would not have breached the building.

If Trump hadn’t riled them up with as yet unproven lies about the election he lost.

 

[Arcangl86]

Nevertheless, if there was enough security at the Capitol building, if the National Guard was there, I know that the those protestors would not have breached the building.

And the Commander in Chief of the DC National guard chose not to post them there.

 

[Vambram]

And the Commander in Chief of the DC National guard chose not to post them there.

The POTUS doesn't have the authority over the DC National Guard unless approval is granted by the DC mayor and other high ranking civilian authority. The only exception to this is when National Guard units are "Federalised."

 

[Arcangl86]

https://www.uscp.gov/the-department/oversight

Does the Sergeant of Arms in the House of Representatives report to the Speaker of the House?

Yes. But he's only 1/3 of the Capitol Police board. Neither the Senate Sergeant at Arms nor the Architect of the Capitol report to the speaker, and the Capitol Police report to the board as a whole. So, it's not correct to say that the Capitol Police report to the Speaker of the House.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Yes... those protestors who were told by Trump to peacefully and patriotically let their voices be heard.

They weren’t very peaceful though, were they? And the president who never shuts his mouth uncharacteristically went silent for several hours while a mob of his supporters stormed the Capitol. But he had no responsibility at all according to you. The highest elected official in the entire country has no responsibility to call his people down after riling them up with lies.

Do you have any problems with the violent protestors supporting BLM or Hamas? I know that I do and I hope that y'all do as well.

Yes I do but none of those things are relevant to this thread. I oppose any form of violent protest. Efforts to nullify an election and end a 250 year tradition of peaceful transfer of power is something else.

 

[Arcangl86]

The POTUS doesn't have the authority over the DC National Guard unless approval is granted by the DC mayor and other high ranking civilian authority.

The exact opposite actually. The DC Mayor, as well as the US Marshal for the District of Columbia, can request aid from the DC National guard, but they have no authority to actually deploy them.

The only exception to this is when National Guard units are "Federalised."

That is true when we are talking about the states. DC isn't a state and as part of that, the DC NG is always under the control of the President, though he delegates it to the SECDEF.

 

[Vambram]

The exact opposite actually. The DC Mayor, as well as the US Marshal for the District of Columbia, can request aid from the DC National guard, but they have no authority to actually deploy them.

That is true when we are talking about the states. DC isn't a state and as part of that, the DC NG is always under the control of the President, though he delegates it to the SECDEF.

When has the POTUS or the SECDEF deployed the DC National Guard inside of Washington DC with out being requested to do so by local Washington DC authorities?

 

[Vambram]

They weren’t very peaceful though, were they? And the president who never shuts his mouth uncharacteristically went silent for several hours while a mob of his supporters stormed the Capitol. But he had no responsibility at all according to you. The highest elected official in the entire country has no responsibility to call his people down after riling them up with lies.

Yes I do but none of those things are relevant to this thread. I oppose any form of violent protest. Efforts to nullify an election and end a 250 year tradition of peaceful transfer of power is something else.

The BLM, & pro-Hamas and Pro-Palestinian and J6 protestors all believed that they were correct. The J6 protestors should not be treated differently than any other group of protestors.

 

[SimplyMe]

Yes. But he's only 1/3 of the Capitol Police board. Neither the Senate Sergeant at Arms nor the Architect of the Capitol report to the speaker, and the Capitol Police report to the board as a whole. So, it's not correct to say that the Capitol Police report to the Speaker of the House.

It is also worth pointing out that the Senate Sergeant at Arms reports to the Majority Leader of the Senate, so it is just as much Sen. McConnell's fault; he had as much power over the Capitol Police as Speaker Pelosi did.

 

[FireDragon76]

Only those unwilling to see the truth don't recognize that there is an administrative bureaucratic system in the Federal Government which is unaccountable to the American people.

That assertion rests on circular reasoning, like most conspiracy theories.

 

[FreeinChrist]

If Pelosi and others would have allowed the National Guard troops to be at the Congressional Capitol building, NONE of the protestors would have gotten into the building.

Pelosi had no control of the National Guard, no more than McConnell did. It is so bizarre that the right is quick to blame Pelosi but never McConnell. Trump DID have the ability to call out the National Guard on Jan. 6th and failed to do so. It was Pence that finally did it.

 

[Ana the Ist]

My original testimony to the committee, which was consistent in every interview and court appearance, highlighted that “The authorization came in beforehand. It was relayed to the appropriate officials in D.C. and the Capitol Police. It was declined, and we acted when their request finally came in on January 6,” and “Trump had authorized the deployment of 10,000 to 20,000 National Guard troops to support law enforcement in multiple meetings.”

The 'Revisionist History' About Jan. 6 Comes From Democrats

Using the same tactics as the Jan. 6 Committee, Pelosi is quick to bury any evidence exonerating Trump from any claims of 'insurrection.'

thefederalist.com

Clear and direct.

Is this the viral video where Pelosi claims responsibility for not having the National Guard present?

 

[Ana the Ist]

Pelosi had no control of the National Guard, no more than McConnell did.

Pelosi was still Speaker at the time, wasn't she?

 

[FreeinChrist]

We have the testimony of three people that Trump offered National Guard troops--Trump's offer of National Guard troops has been corroborated, not debunked. You are citing the sham committee that Nancy Pelosi wanted, made up of members that would not require her to testify. We now have a video, for all to see, of her accepting responsibility.

Claimed after the fact and after the accusations that Trump failed to respond.

Anatomy of a Conspiracy Theory and a Smear: Still, No Evidence of Trump Order for 10,000 Guard on January 6th

Debunking a new conspiracy theory that Trump ordered the National Guard to be ready on January 6, and that the select committee withheld information.

www.justsecurity.org

Former President Donald Trump and his loyalists have long claimed that he “ordered” the National Guard to be ready for deployment on Jan. 6, 2021. “As many as 10,000 National Guard troops were told to be on the ready by the secretary of defense,” Mark Meadows, Trump’s White House Chief of Staff, claimed during a Fox News interview just one month after the attack. “That was a direct order from President Trump,” Meadows said. The implication was clear: President Trump did not deserve blame for the violence that unfolded at the U.S. Capitol because he wanted the National Guard to keep the peace.​

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There’s just one problem: The claim is not true.​

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The House Select Committee to Investigate the January 6th Attack on the U.S. Capitol thoroughly investigated this issue — questioning multiple witnesses about it and reviewing countless documents. The committee could not find any evidence to support Meadows’ claim. Indeed, Trump’s Acting Secretary of Defense at the time, Chris Miller, directly refuted it in his testimony under oath– explaining that the president did not issue any such order.​

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So Chris Miller, Trump's Acting Secretary of Defense, does not back up the claim. The National Guard would have been offered through and by the DOD. That is not the testimony of a liberal, it is of a conservative appointed by Trump.

There was no excuse for Trump's failure to respond on Jan. 6th.

 

[FreeinChrist]

We have the testimony of three people that Trump offered National Guard troops--Trump's offer of National Guard troops has been corroborated, not debunked. You are citing the sham committee that Nancy Pelosi wanted, made up of members that would not require her to testify. We now have a video, for all to see, of her accepting responsibility.

And Politifact says that video is not about her taking responsibility for the National Guard.

Newly released video footage from Jan. 6, 2021, has reignited conservatives’ long-standing claims that then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi bears the blame for the National Guard’s delayed response to the U.S. Capitol attack.​

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On June 10, Republicans on the House Administration’s Subcommittee on Oversight shared on X a short video of Pelosi leaving the Capitol by car as rioters overtook the building Jan. 6. In the clip, Pelosi presses her chief of staff Terri McCullough about why the National Guard hadn’t arrived yet.......​

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No member of Congress has the authority to activate the District of Columbia National Guard. Only the president, Defense secretary and U.S. Army secretary do.....​

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As House speaker, Pelosi shared responsibility for Capitol security. The House and Senate sergeants-at-arms, who report to the House speaker and Senate majority leader, respectively, serve as the Capitol’s chief law enforcement officers. The two sergeants-at-arms, along with the Senate doorkeeper and the Capitol architect, comprise the board that oversees the Capitol Police.​

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The U.S. president, defense secretary and U.S. Army secretary are the only people authorized to activate the District of Columbia National Guard. The House select committee on Jan. 6, after its 18-month-long investigation, concluded that official records and witness testimony showed Trump didn’t make that order Jan. 6, 2021.​

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In the video, Pelosi said, "I take responsibility for not having them just prepare for more," when talking about U.S. Capitol security. As then-House speaker, Pelosi did not have the authority to deploy the National Guard. The president, defense secretary and U.S. Army secretary are the only people authorized to deploy the District of Columbia National Guard.​

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Pelosi can't be responsible for calling out the National Guard when she had no authority to do so. Nor was the offer made for the National Guard to be there. Trump could have only called out 2000 and needed local governors to bring in more to get to 10,000 if that was the case. The local governors do not support Trump's claim.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Pelosi was still Speaker at the time, wasn't she?

The Speaker of the House does not have the authority to call in the National Guard. Neither did McConnell. This is a pretty basic fact.
Trump never offered them and only suggested it to Miller to have them protect the protesters, not the Senate or House.