Judge calls DeSantis ban on transgender care unconstitutional

[RileyG]

Suicide rates do not drop after the mutilation - in fact they rise.



No - it is corrective surgery - always has been - always will be.

Thank goodness that the leadership in Florida is catching up with what the EU has already acted on.

Not surprising, sadly.

 

[Hank77]

"Sex-reassignment" surgery or any "gender-affirming" procedures are never "medically appropriate" - even for adults.

Never? What about people born with some intersex variations?

 

[Hank77]

So you don't know how many persons under 18 have been given gender reassignment surgery? If, as you apparently believe, the threat of it is real you should know that number.

The numbers haven't been made available. Here's a video that may give you some of the info. you are asking for.

 

[ozso]

So as far as you know, the threat of trans children being subjected to gender reassignment surgery is imaginary?

The threat exists. A threat is something that hasn't happened yet.

 

[ozso]

A federal judge on Tuesday blocked most of a law championed by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R) that strictly limited transgender health care for adults and banned it completely for children.

WP has a paywall.

 

[ozso]

There isn’t, but ok.

Telling others they can’t get gender affirming care because pronouns are hard is not a valid reason.

The issue is children being subjected to it. Adults in the US have been getting it done for over a hundred years. The reason why there's a sudden "fixation" over trans is because of children suddenly being brought into it and all the sudden demands being made.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

The issue is children being subjected to it. Adults in the US have been getting it done for over a hundred years. The reason why there's a sudden "fixation" over trans is because of children suddenly being brought into it and all the sudden demands being made.

So either it’s been happening for hundreds of years, which means it has been a variable in generations of children’s existences, or children are “suddenly” being brought into it. It cannot be both.

 

[ozso]

So either it’s been happening for hundreds of years, which means it has been a variable in generations of children’s existences, or children are “suddenly” being brought into it. It cannot be both.

The procedure has been performed on adults since around 1917.

Lately there's been a push to have the procedure performed on children.

The procedure being performed on children is what is being objected to.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

The procedure has been performed on adults since around 1917.

Lately there's been a push to have the procedure performed on children.

The procedure being performed on children is what is being objected to.

There is no push to perform it on children. This is literally a boogeyman invented to get people who don’t know any better upset.

 

[ozso]

There is no push to perform it on children. This is literally a boogeyman invented to get people who don’t know any better upset.

Maybe on your planet.

 

[Zaha Torte]

But it would be “gender-affirming care”, no?

No. Gender does not exist.

 

[Zaha Torte]

Never? What about people born with some intersex variations?

Gender and sex are not the same thing - so I'm told.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Maybe on your planet.

Since it’s the one where objective reality takes place, it’s the only one that really matters.

 

[ozso]

Since it’s the one where objective reality takes place, it’s the only one that really matters.

I should have said that since according to you; there is no push to perform it on children. That it's literally a boogeyman invented to get people who don’t know any better upset; then there should be no problem with it being banned.

 

[camille70]

Texas. Title is hyperbole, but subject matter is related.

Texas has outlawed circumcision!!

TEXAS LAW PROHIBITS CIRCUMCISION! PEDIATRICIANS MUST REPORT PARENTS REQUESTING CIRCUMCISION TO CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES TO BE INVESTIGATED FOR CHILD ABUSE! PARENTS MUST REPORT PHYSICIANS WHO SUGGEST OR PERFORM CIRCUMCISION! FAILING TO REPORT CHILD...

www.dailykos.com

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I should have said that since according to you; there is no push to perform it on children. That it's literally a boogeyman invented to get people who don’t know any better upset; then there should be no problem with it being banned.

Except for with the grabbing of pitchforks that comes with inventing a problem and then hastily slapping together bad legislation to stop the non-problem, it creates problems for everybody else. Some states are struggling with knowing if that means they can’t prescribe hormonal birth control, others unsure of if they can do hormonal therapy to help with puberty.

Then, of course, there’s the issue that comes with giving medical control of ourselves and our children to legislators with no medical training, as opposed to the doctors with medical training and direct knowledge of their patients needs. Most of us don’t want to say “I need some meds, better call my legislator to get them.”

I find it wild that under Obama, the same people who want Obamacare because it would create “death panels” where the value of people’s lives and medical care would be decided by the government are the same ones advocating for the nanny state medical care.

One payer, socialized medicine and standardized care for everybody regardless of situation? No!

Government limiting and overseeing medical professionals and private insurance to ensure compliance to state-mandated morality standards? Yes!

 

[ozso]

Except for with the grabbing of pitchforks that comes with inventing a problem and then hastily slapping together bad legislation to stop the non-problem, it creates problems for everybody else. Some states are struggling with knowing if that means they can’t prescribe hormonal birth control, others unsure of if they can do hormonal therapy to help with puberty.

Then, of course, there’s the issue that comes with giving medical control of ourselves and our children to legislators with no medical training, as opposed to the doctors with medical training and direct knowledge of their patients needs. Most of us don’t want to say “I need some meds, better call my legislator to get them.”

I find it wild that under Obama, the same people who want Obamacare because it would create “death panels” where the value of people’s lives and medical care would be decided by the government are the same ones advocating for the nanny state medical care.

One payer, socialized medicine and standardized care for everybody regardless of situation? No!

Government limiting and overseeing medical professionals and private insurance to ensure compliance to state-mandated morality standards? Yes!

Is it really all that different than other procedures that are only done on adults? See this is what I mean by a push. All the resistance against it being for adults only. It seems there are those who are outraged over the idea of child protection laws stopping a little boy being artificially transformed into a girl. And there are probably several ultra-woke parents who would rush to have it done to their child if there weren't any obstacles in their way.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Is it really all that different than other procedures that are only done on adults? See this is what I mean by a push. All the resistance against it being for adults only. It seems there are those who are outraged over the idea of child protection laws stopping a little boy being artificially transformed into a girl.

This is unintelligible word salad.

And there are probably several ultra-woke parents who would rush to have it done to their child if there weren't any obstacles in their way.

And there are probably several red hat, ultra conservative parents who would have had kids shoot up schools if there weren’t obstacles in the way to their owning a gun. And?

 

[ozso]

This is unintelligible word salad.

Okay, I give up.

 

[Pommer]

WP has a paywall.

So subscribe or check out Reuters, I’m pretty sure they covered this story as well.